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Comment #1: PitA said on 5/27/05 @ 5:17pm ET...

Although unemployed (thanks to the forces of corporate globalization), I will scape together the $50 requrired to own a piece of history.

Thank you for all your good work.

Comment #2: Ohiodem1 said on 5/27/05 @ 5:19pm ET...

Count me in. Hank, now is your chance. Please contribute.

Comment #3: Terre said on 5/27/05 @ 5:53pm ET...

It's the least I can do, and selfishly - I'd like to own a piece of history as well.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU!

Comment #4: Cat said on 5/27/05 @ 6:26pm ET...

Two threads have been started on this at Democratic Underground:
http://tinyurl.com/9ly4l
http://tinyurl.com/dpql3
Hope you have a LOT of those pieces of history ready to send out!

I'd also like to note, as if it weren't already obvious, the contrast of this fundraising effort with the usual rubber chicken dinners, intrusive phone calls, or self-glorifying letters.

By the way, there are currently THREE threads, started by three different people in three different forums, going like gangbusters on your letter to Bush about the Downing St Memo:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address;=132x1814546
Thread title: "Read this email from Congressman Conyers then act again on Downing Memo"
(General Discussion- Politics Forum)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum;=102&topic;_id=1505872#1505929
Thread title: �Rawstory: Conyers seeks 100,000 to sign letter on Downing Street memo�
(Late-breaking news Forum)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address;=104x3741931
Thread title: �Conyers seeking 100,000 signatures�
(General Discussion Forum)

There is also discussion on setting up a Conyers Group at Democratic Underground in an attempt to try to keep track of all the things you are doing and to organize support for them.

Comment #5: jen said on 5/27/05 @ 7:39pm ET...

Rep Conyers,

You are a treasure, sir! I would like to add that if anyone can't afford $50. please consider contributing whatever you can, be it $10, $20, whatever - little bits do add up!

Blessings and light to you Rep. Conyers!

Comment #6: Grace Reid said on 5/27/05 @ 8:19pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

I'll get you that $50 if you will sign a copy of "All The President's Men," for me. No joke. e-mail me, and the money's on the way.

I'm so happy about what you're doing.

Grace

Comment #7: paul said on 5/27/05 @ 8:41pm ET...

I cannot afford the fifty dollars, but I will be glad to send what I can to the person who seems to me to be the best politician in America today.

Comment #8: Rose said on 5/27/05 @ 9:00pm ET...

My donation is so small compared to all the support you give us citizens. You are the best! Rose

Comment #9: Danyne said on 5/27/05 @ 9:02pm ET...

It would be my privilege to contribute to a gentleman, statesman and hero as yourself for all your noble efforts and causes you follow and work for.
God alone sees hearts, and yours is shining bright in your deeds to mortal eyes, kind sir. Prayers, Godspeed...

Comment #10: Kryten42 said on 5/27/05 @ 9:31pm ET...

Dear John Conyers, Jr.

Though I am not even in the USA at this time, I would be happy to contribute. :-) This not only affects America now, it affects the World (and NOT just those countries the GOPs see fit to invade!)

I miss my wonderful, patient Fiance and I want to see her soon! I miss my friends in the USA also.

Being outside of the USA at this time, has given me a whole new perspective and understanding! And it's all sad! It's not just fear of America, but also many now see the USA as corrupt and weak, and ripe for exploitation because the GOP is seen to be very greedy and easily exploited. Many see Rice as a fool and a neophyte, (Many countries actually think that having Rice as Secretary of State, was the best thing that could have happened to them! They see her as a puppet and a foolish woman. If they agree with her stupid views, they can have almost anything they want!)

So, don't expect a lot of support outside of the USA. They see the destruction of the USA as a good thing, all the better because it is being done from within. Sadly, the USA has VERY few friends in the World today, just circling vultures, waiting for the end.

The brain drain on the USA is VERY real!! I meet many ex-patriot Americans in my work. Many are bitter and angry. They swear they will never return. One Scientist I met recently laughed when told of Bush's latest statement about Stem Cell Research. He said that Bush has to ban it, because all the top Scientists who were working on it have already left. A large group of the best is now working in Cambridge, England. And they will never return to the USA they said. He believes that the UK (and the EU) will become the Stem Cell research capitol of the World and will hold the Patents.

America was once the top of the list for Graduates & Post Graduates to apply for study, now it's the bottom.

Most Americans have no idea what all this means. They say 'Good riddance!' They are fools. Maybe they will understand one day, when it is too late.

Comment #11: MelissaB said on 5/27/05 @ 9:57pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

I sent in my donation and look forward to receiving the book. Even though I live in another state (in the deep South), this is the best investment/donation to any political candidate I've ever made. Thank you for all you do. People across the United States do notice and appreciate you dedication.

Sincerely,

Melissa

Comment #12: Stephen C Walsh said on 5/28/05 @ 12:09am ET...

Rep Conyers,

First you proposed a bill to study the reparations due blacks in America. Now, stunningly, you are going to propose a bill that will call for recognition of the Koran. We are expected to recognize as sacred a book that would actively seek to destroy America and that plainly spells out that Christian and Jew are to be killed in speading Islam. I have to wonder what part of patriotism and dedication to American values you were not taught.
But you have prompted me to act. I had a copy of the Koran. It met the end of a propane torch today. I would no longer have it in my home. I should have burnt it a long time ago along with my voter registration card as you people are so out of tocuh with what is needed to save our culture and our Nation that I have to think of alterior motives. Perhaps you have many muslims who vote for you. Have you the nerve to ask, in return for your bill, that they come to the State House and take a pledge to support America and the Holy Bible? I don't think you do.

Stephen Walsh,
NC

Comment #13: Hoyt C. said on 5/28/05 @ 12:16am ET...

Representative Conyers,

Thank you, you are a true patriot in these perilous times. I've proudly donated to your cause, and I will anxiously await my signed copy of this book.

Comment #14: KenDavis said on 5/28/05 @ 12:18am ET...

Steven C. Walsh, you are a fool, a bigot, and a blight on open-minded Tarheels. Thank goodness you burned your voter registration card along with your idiotic 'gesture'.

Rep. Conyers... keep up the good work

Comment #15: Kryten42 said on 5/28/05 @ 12:19am ET...

Stephen, you are a *TRUE* American in the eyes of the world! Congratulations.

Heh... LMAO

Comment #16: Jacob Matthan said on 5/28/05 @ 12:39am ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

I am not an American, I do not live in the US, I am not an European, White or Black, I am not a Muslim or Jew. I would like to support your work and re-election without you getting into trouble about accepting contributions from foreigners. I am sure many foreigners would like to help you, not only get re-elected but also to support you for the President - Vice President ticket. Let us know if there are any rules that may apply to such "foreign" contributions to your heroic work.

Comment #17: Jack said on 5/28/05 @ 4:40am ET...

Congressman, at least you are soliciting people instead of sucking up to corporatations and lobbyists. Not only that but spreading information at the same time.

Comment #18: LindaR said on 5/28/05 @ 5:13am ET...

Signing a petition for Downing Street memo? 30 seconds.

Signed copy of Conyers Report
What Went Wrong in Ohio?? $50

Backing John Conyers while he tries to reignite the candle of democracy in Washington? Priceless.

$50 is a small token of my appreciation for a man who honors truth, and justice for all.

Comment #19: rainbow sally said on 5/28/05 @ 7:24am ET...

[Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread, pls delete the other if you can. Thanks]

See John's aritcle for details on how to contribute.

Blurry MONDAY #47 -- Disinfo Daze And Anti Venom Kit

There may be enough disinfo out there that we can start studying that phenomenon now. This should be kind of interesting.

THE DOCS

Here's the original release of the memo.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

and here's one that fits all on one page that I will use for my references.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8709.htm

BASIC TIMELINE

Here's a very sketchy timeline just to keep events in roughtly the right order and which you can use to kind of hang other details you are aware of on.

JULY The memo is dated July 23, 2002,

2003 Arrives unexpectedly. (Hey! I have to have some fun with this stuff. This is a very ugly topic.)

FEB Colin Powell was presented his forged documents to the UN on Feb 5th.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=14#=1705&printer;=1

MARCH By March 14 the documents were known to be forgeries.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

APRIL The countdown and war begins anyway.

ANTIVENOM KIT

BITE 1. Media is not publishing yet because they are waiting to see if the allegations are valid.

The memo exists. That is not disputed. The media has no excuse for acting like it doesn't.

BITE 2. The memo just appeals to the conspiracy minded.

It IS a conspiracy by definition if it was illegal and more than one party was involved.

[45% down page.]

"It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

BITE 3. If the US had already decided to go to war there would have been nothing to gain from persuing UN involvement.

No. It allowed the Brits to attempt to cover their ass because they were more concerned about the war crimes implications. As it turns out the documents they gave to the UN were also forged.

BITE 4. If the threat of WMD was not real why does the memo say this?

"For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, "

Interesting question. Let's take it with a bit of context.

"On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.

"For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary."

The military questions were based on false assumption and do not constitution a proof.

For example, if I tell you I have a watermellon as big as a house and you believe me, and tell someone else. Then if that someone ELSE told ME I had a watermelon as big as a house, would that be my proof?

EXTRA JUNK...

That sounds like idea laundering, like money laundering for lies. Let's give this a name and store it in our collection of interesting disinfo methods.

IDEA LAUNDERING is when a lie is passed around until it returns to the liar as proof that the lie was truth.

Comment #20: MMIIXX said on 5/28/05 @ 7:57am ET...

news at BBV BREAKING

Tallahassee, FL: "Are we having fun yet?"

This is the message that appeared in the window of one of Leon County's optical scan machines, startling Information Systems Officer Thomas James. Visibly shaken, he immediately turned the machine off.

Diebold's opti-scan (paper ballot) voting system uses a curious memory card design, offering penetration by a lone programmer such that standard canvassing procedures cannot detect election manipulation.

The Diebold system in Leon County, Florida has succumbed to multiple attacks during recent security testing.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/5921.html?1117238594#POST6997

Comment #21: SINGED said on 5/28/05 @ 9:57am ET...

deleted by admin poster is posting immediate and repetitive postings under different names -- admin

Comment #22: newname said on 5/28/05 @ 10:55am ET...

He who buys the candidate, writes the laws.

Hmmm...should that be PEOPLE, or Exxon? How about the Christian Coalition? Amway?

I thought America was all about "WE THE PEOPLE".

I don't think we're in America anymore, Toto.

Comment #23: Darth Vader said on 5/28/05 @ 10:57am ET...

There is a disturbance in the force

Comment #24: Dr. Alan H. Levinson said on 5/28/05 @ 12:00pm ET...

Mr. Conyers,

First of all, I would easily and without reservation contribute to your re-election fund...but I must approve all financial transactions with the "Queen"...ah...the hazzards of married life!! (tongue-in-cheek).

Second; How quickly the smoothe threads unravel. With such haste do the calm seas surge. As the protective cocoon withers away into nothingness, the smug, proud, pontificators metamorphosize. But rather than the expected butterfly within, who carries an innate beauty and natural charm, instead unfolds a monster of unbelievable proportion. Vociferous and derogatory, this monster bellows and screeches at the top of it's lungs. Suddenly the protective veneer sluffs off...the membrane becomes porous, unable to keep out the pain of truth, but also unable to keep in the poisonous venom. The classic beauty again becomes the evil witch, and goodness will return to the world again. Disney could not have written a better script.

Mr. C. I have no doubt that some of the topics you explore, even some of the legislation you support, create positive or negative feelings in people. That is to be expected. But as I see some of the nasty and name-calling responses, I have a feeling we both know where 'that' is coming from.

When the collective "we" asked questions, we were called sore-losers, conspiracy theorists, liberals...and the questions were ignored. However, as reality is finally returning in drips and drabs, the questions are breaking through. People are not tolerating this anymore. Even people who had been part of the problem are no longer able to accept the blatant one-sidedness of the current power-mongers. Now we get to see what has been underneath all along. Bush, Cheney, Frist, Delay, Cornyn, and a host of others...as well as some of their constituency, have been kissed by the sublime, but not been satisfied. Their own ugliness within has caused them to return to their natural state as frogs.

There will always be disagreement. People will sit across from each other at the Thanksgiving table and discuss religion or politics. Tempers will flare...each will think the other is nuts. But this is family, and disagreement is acceptable, and should never lead to insult. When it does, then we clearly have a problem of immaturity, and behavior that is unacceptable.

Where is the smirk now? Why have the proud, taunting, co-leaders of our society changed into name-calling aggressors? Where has the swagger gone? Slowly the pressure has worn away the pretense. Now there are those who will find everything you do is wrong. They will call you and your family names. They will attempt to paint an ugly picture of you and all that you stand for. But their focus will not be on what you stand for, it will be on you. Stand strong...as many of the people here stand with you. Ignore the personal attack, and take into consideration issues of policy. People like Hank (et.al.) who have determined that we are all losers and two-percenters are entitled to their opinion. And whether it is right, wrong, or somewhere in-between, matters not. We are who we are. It's all a matter of perspective.

Comment #25: gary harms said on 5/28/05 @ 12:00pm ET...

I am disabled. I am covered on my wife's health insurance but still at the end of each month food goes unpurchased in lieu of medication. Insurance rates have gone up drastically along with the co-pays. We now buy more food from the dollar store than we do from the supermarket. SS is all I have...no medicaid...no medicare. Still, if I had a dollar...I would give it to you for this effort. Stop this man before he hurts anymore people.

Comment #26: Keep America Free said on 5/28/05 @ 12:39pm ET...

The Constitution of the United States affords freedom of Religion, of all Religions, not just yours and mine, it protects them too. This was the major reason America was formed so people could practice their religion without free of retribution.

Comment #27: Dean Kessler said on 5/28/05 @ 12:52pm ET...

Contribution on the way! For a man that obviously knows what America is all about....a man that still believes in a "United States" (because we all know that Bush can't even pronounce "United" let alone promote it...)

For anyone that believes our current Executive branch is representative of true America - then they are either ignorant, brain-dead, or brainwashed by the media. If we could simply get more of these un-Anericans like Stephen Walsh to burn their voter registration cards - we could bring America back from the worst 5 years in its history.

It takes true integrity and ethics from people like Rep. Conyers to hold up a mirror and show us what we may not want to see or believe, but know is true and unjust...
Wake up people! Go Conyers!!!

DR KESSLER

Comment #28: newname said on 5/28/05 @ 1:11pm ET...

gary: Sorry to hear that. I've been in a situation where my health took a back seat to paying rent and buying food, so I understand where you are. I'm insured now, but several years without it has caused minor problems to turn nasty. I live with chronic pain, but I'm fortunate enough to not have to work anymore. (Ain't marriage wonderful?!)

Let me look over my upcoming bills, (make sure I'm covered)and I'll donate an extra $5 just for you, gary.

Now, what went wrong in Ohio might have something to do with the missing $10,000,000 in coins. Who took it, who was paid off with it, whose campaign did it go to? I smell a GOP rat.

Comment #29: Cheviteau said on 5/28/05 @ 1:13pm ET...

I don't hate anyone. But I am a tax payer and I'd like to know that MY government is operating honestly and in my best interest. It appears it is not.

Therefore, count me in for fifty bucks. I'd like to hear some other voices tell me what's going on for a while. So, Mr. Conyers, enlist all those you can and try to get to the bottom of what caused this murderous fiasco in Iraq the president has labeled "The War on Terrorism".

Comment #30: Patriot Acts said on 5/28/05 @ 1:28pm ET...

Thank you so much for all you're doing sir... you have my FULL support! Congressman Conyer's, YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT and the history books WILL reflect that. If we fail, we run the risk of not having history books in the future. Bush must be impeached!

Comment #31: pryderi said on 5/28/05 @ 1:38pm ET...

Mr. Conyers,

I applaud your efforts in bringing to light the Downing Street Memo.

Why hasn't the DNC, Howard Dean, or other Democratic luminaries gone onto talk shows to discuss the Memo/Minutes?

Call the other leaders and have them give Democrats "marching orders" to start speaking up!!!!

The silence is deafening and disgraceful!

Comment #32: ohio said on 5/28/05 @ 1:40pm ET...

only thing that went wrong in ohio kerry did not get more votes

Comment #33: ohio said on 5/28/05 @ 1:41pm ET...

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Comment #34: Lillian Kaufer said on 5/28/05 @ 1:50pm ET...

Ah Freepers after Andy. You people are so vile. You wouldn't give $10 to your own mothers. She could be on her deathe bed and you'd tell her to suck it up and pull herself up from her bootstraps right? Get a life. If you don't support Andy or Mr. Conyers don't donate. But STFU you loosers.

Comment #35: jigisup said on 5/28/05 @ 2:18pm ET...

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Comment #36: red queen said on 5/28/05 @ 2:22pm ET...

#39 is OFF TOPIC!

Off with its head!

Comment #37: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 2:38pm ET...

koh.s
The thing that you fear is invisible.

I guess that is kind of scary.

Thanks for the book Congressman Conyers.
And thanks for your service.

Comment #38: Horkus said on 5/28/05 @ 2:40pm ET...

The Freeper trolls are right. We need
more politicians like Tom DeLay who pulled the plug on his own father.
That's the kind of "compassionate conservatism" we should demand of our
politicians.

Comment #39: Stephen Walsh said on 5/28/05 @ 2:47pm ET...

>>I WILL BE SENDING AS MUCH MONEY AS I CAN TO ANYBODY WILLING TO RUN AGAINST YOU. YOU STAND FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY: A BOUGHT AND PAID FOR POLITICIAN.<<

I just dropped by here as I saw that Conyers actually reads and replies here. His pandering to his constituents because more and more are Muslims is sickening. Does anyone really need me to post the many, MANY parts of the Koran that call for our death? Just turn on the news cable news channels and look at their burning our flag. No amendment here to protect that. But they want non-believers of their "religion" to use gloves to touch their book? What the hell is wrong with you people? I'm older than most here and have to wonder where your education has failed you. You court your own destruction.

Count me on in contributions for whoever opposes Mr. Conyers. Now, I need to buy another Koran to wipe my rear end with. But relax, I'll only use the pages that call for the death of Christians and Jews.

Now, if you want to know when we are finished, it will be when what I wrote is considered a crime in this country. It would be in Canada where if you quote a passage from the Bible [that's the book that the Koran stole from as nothing is original in the Koran except the hate of Jews and Christians] against homosexuality, you can be arrested.

You want free speech in this country? Oppose the insane proposition just put forth by Conyers about the Koran. Anyone want to bet that all his offices have prayer rugs?

Steve
NC

p.s. For those who think that Islam is compatible with Western values I invite you to consider that the 15 major wars going on in this world all involve Muslims who won't live in peace with their neighbors. Then look to London where mobs of muslims chanted to hit the Pentagon again, kill Blair, kill Bush, destroy America, etc. One person on a corner with a "holy book" screaming is a nut. A mob of 10,000 or more is a movement. And it's coming here if you people don't wake up.

p.p.s. 2 million muslims in England. Many of their leaders are calling for their own parliment, Sharia Law, and that the laws of England are irrelevant. They didn't assimilate, they took over enclaves of England, where the men have been de-balled. They need 500 soccer thugs to educate them at these meetings or their country is lost. Think of that John Conyers as you pander for votes.

Comment #40: Melissa said on 5/28/05 @ 3:01pm ET...

I find it interesting that conservatives come to liberal sites and webpages just to make negative remarks. I've never posted at CU, FR, or other "conservative" sites or blogs, and I don't understand why people would do this. Why post on a site you don't agree with, especially when your ideas and grammar don't jive?

In addition, when you write negative things that have NOTHING to do with this blog it reflects badly on you and the communities you represent.

Comment #41: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 3:07pm ET...

I second #46.

Plus their posts are really, really, really, long and sometimes they hit the submit button too many times.

Comment #42: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 3:10pm ET...

Hi Mr. Conyers. I wish I could donate and get a signed copy of your book but I'm not able to right now. I just wanted to drop by and say thanks for fighting for us. Good luck with the other democratic races you're going to help with. Don't pay mind to all those negative people Mr. Conyers. You're the hardest working guy in DC I know of and am very thankful for Congressmen like you sir. I signed your Bush petition and hope something happens with it and I told other people I know. Keep fighting the good fight!

Comment #43: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 3:19pm ET...

I agree with Dr. Alan. At first the republicans were bosting they "won" another election and Bush was bosting he had a political capital and a mandate and all that. Now they're very angry people (see Frist trying to get rid of the filibuster). Why are they so angry? Shouldn't they be happy? I can only know that the republicans will always be the "blame democrats/liberals" first crowd even when it's their own faults and mistakes. Look at Clinton for example. He's still blamed for things Bush does and screws up. Go figure!

Comment #44: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 3:24pm ET...

On the Andy issue you think they would've done surgery for free?! I can tell you that is not true. My grandfather now has lung cancer and has had an operation done so far and his operation was pretty expensive. Not to mention staying in the hospital and the care place for therapy. Thank goodness he has insurance because if he didn't it would be very pricey. So why don't you stfu and say something worth while or go away. This blog is about John Conyers and his work not what you're talking about. Don't hijack this blog! Show some respect or go away.

Comment #45: JMK said on 5/28/05 @ 3:52pm ET...

LMFAO...another so-called "scandal" that the DUmmies think will bring down Bush.

What is this...number 383?

Comment #46: Stephen Walsh said on 5/28/05 @ 4:06pm ET...

Melissa: "I find it interesting that conservatives come to liberal sites and webpages just to make negative remarks...Why post on a site you don't agree with, especially when your ideas and grammar don't jive?"

I'm not sure who that was addressed to. And being around whatever form you would like to have called the Internet when it was limited to things like Compuserve, it is a long-standing tenet that the author has little ability to respond with in a cogent manner when they must pick out mistakes in spelling or grammer when most often, what is posted could be considered a draft.

I didn't drop by to hijack anything. But if you'd like me to, I will. I posted to the insanity of Conyers bringing up a bill regarding the Koran. You might want a nanny state, but most of America that pays taxes want the government to defend our borders and culture. They are failing miserably and we are not the America we were in the 1950's. I was there. I know. This current generation is going to inherit a cesspool as our government exports jobs, imports the turd world, hands more taxes [and explodes the deficit] over to those who are able-bodied, and enslaves their thought. But we get to discuss steroids in MLB, grant citizenship to illegals [30% of our prison population are illegals], talk of reparations to blacks, and tell doctors they should have prayer rugs in their offices for Muslim patients. We are being taken over and neither party is doing a thing and the democrats, being the party of Marxism, embrace the change.

Stephen Walsh
Charlotte NC

Comment #47: true american said on 5/28/05 @ 4:08pm ET...

kudos to you, rep. conyers on your tireless efforts to make the lofty words of our constitution actually mean something. your success is evident by all the attempts here to dimish our efforts...typical of the ruthless, anti-democratic, divisive, and hate-filled efforts of the bush administration and its supporters. i will gladly contribute to the cause of making america the great country that it constantly claims to be, yet hasn't been for far too long.
the neocon menance is a danger to this country and the world, and it's up to us to stop it.

Comment #48: AliceB said on 5/28/05 @ 4:08pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

You are a great American! Thank you for everything you do.

Although I'm a recent widow and not nearly as flush as I used to be, I had to have a signed copy of your report. If I can afford $50, lots of other people can, too. Come on, folks, it's only the cost of a tank of gas for an SUV.

Honestly, if I knew for sure you could get rid of the corrupt cabal that's ruining our beloved country, I'd send you my last cent.

Thank you!

Comment #49: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 4:17pm ET...

Hey Walsh, why don't you go somewhere and do something constructive instead of wasting your time here. Stop hijacking this blog. Show some dignity and respect for someone else. Go to a rightwing blog or go start your own!

Comment #50: Shea said on 5/28/05 @ 4:41pm ET...

I bet Walsh has never met a Muslim in his life. Just sitting at home in his predominantly white community, reading his Chick tracts and bigoted anti-Islam agenda driven books, postulating his xenophobic jingoistic rhetoric across the internet.

Comment #51: Sally said on 5/28/05 @ 4:46pm ET...

Mr. Conyers, I am happy to contribute to your efforts to bring the truth and integrity to this country. There was a post above that suggested you had sold out to the "HATE AMERICA, HATE MILITARY, HATE LOSERS IN THIS COUNTRY." That's why I am contributing what I can to you Mr. Conyers, because you have not sold out to that group of people who "hate the military, hate America losers"

Memorial Day is a perfect day to examine the people who have sent our military to die based on lies and a self serving agenda. To examine the people who are working to subvert and destroy democracy and the Constitution, the people who would steal an election, deny access to information that could shed the truth on 9/11, the election, Iraq, the energy situation. Are they not the group who "hate the military and hate America" in this country?

Thank you for this website Mr. Conyers, thank you for standing up for America and the Military and the Constitution. I am happy to contribute to someone who has not "sold out."

Comment #52: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 4:46pm ET...

If you don't care go away. That word you used is disrespectful and disgusting. Get away if you don't care. Go do something constructive and get a life.

Comment #53: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 4:57pm ET...

Mr. Conyers needs to resign immediately. His anti-American activities has rendered him unsuitable for public office. He should be arrested and jailed because he is a threat to national sercurity and he is a traitor to this nation. Anyone donating to his cause, or anyone offering encouragement is as guilty as Conyers himself.

Comment #54: true american said on 5/28/05 @ 5:02pm ET...

racist, ignorant, zenophobic, and delusional...you folks are just proving what a menace the neocon mentality is to humanity. keep up the good work!!!

Comment #55: Horkus said on 5/28/05 @ 5:05pm ET...

I donated. Where are the handcuffs?
I could only hope that the guys knocking on my door show up in SS uniforms. Who knows? Maybe there'll be a concentration camp for libruls.

Comment #56: Fat in Cambridge said on 5/28/05 @ 5:07pm ET...

-->If you don't care go away. That word you used is disrespectful and disgusting. Get away if you don't care. Go do something constructive and get a life.

-->racist, ignorant, zenophobic, and delusional...you folks are just proving what a menace the neocon mentality is to humanity. keep up the good work!!!

There are people on here just saying things to get you DUmmies all worked up and like the fools you are you idiots are more than earger to bite.

Fish.
Barrel.
Boom.

Comment #57: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 5:12pm ET...

Great work, Congressman. Bush sits in the White House haveing never been elected, and now he is going down.

Comment #58: WeThePeople said on 5/28/05 @ 5:12pm ET...

I want to thank Steve and all his bigoted buddies who are spotlighting their prejudice and ignorance here for us all to read. They serve to remind us that Iraq and Afghanistans aren't the only American wars going on, we're also fighting a war against bigotry and blind hatred here at home.

Comment #59: true american said on 5/28/05 @ 5:12pm ET...

your idiocy needs to be countered at every turn. the neocons may control the media, but you don't control us, and we are not going to silently stand by and let you destroy the world. your attempts to trash rep. conyers's efforts here will not be tolerated either.

Comment #60: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 5:14pm ET...

Great work, Congressman. Bush sits in the White House having never been elected, and now he is going down.

Comment #61: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 5:15pm ET...

Yes, Fat, DUmmies do tend to kick and scream when you yank off the scab that covers their festering pus pocket of liberalism. It is so ugly when it is exposed to be the poisonous infection it is.

Comment #62: DorkyBob said on 5/28/05 @ 5:16pm ET...

I see the entire gang is here from the DUmp . . . why don't you guys come out from your parents basements and get a life . . . or a job - whichever comes first.

Comment #63: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 5:17pm ET...

After reading some of these freeper posts, it is obvious that they are scared out of their minds of Congressman Conyers. Keep up the great work, Congressman. You have got Bush and his mean-spirited supporters on the run.

Comment #64: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 5:17pm ET...

This has legs!

Comment #65: Tigress DEM said on 5/28/05 @ 5:19pm ET...

-->your idiocy needs to be countered at every turn. the neocons may control the media, but you don't control us, and we are not going to silently stand by and let you destroy the world. your attempts to trash rep. conyers's efforts here will not be tolerated either.

Oh yeah. No telling how many tens of people are reading this site right now. Ooooo, this place needs to be protected because what happens here will determine the fate of the universe.

Hey stupid, there's only a handful here.

Neocons control the hard left-wing media? Yeah, that'll work. Everyone's gonna buy that crap.

Morons.

Comment #66: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 5:23pm ET...

Let's analyze the statement by Rep. Conyers.

>>As regular readers of this blog know, I have never asked for a contribution on it. Today, I am compelled to break that pristine record. Raising money is an unfortunate reality of politics and, when you do not side with corporations and other special interests on legislation, you turn to ordinary Americans for help.

Today, I ask for your help in raising money for my re-election campaign and to help elect other Democrats so that we can end Republican rule of the House of Representatives, one party rule in Washington, and finally hold this Administration accountable.<<

According to Open Secrets, Rep. Conyers got 71.9% of the money for his 2004 reelection campaign from PACs, with 54.2% of the PAC contributions coming from business PACs. This means that well over a third of contributions to Conyers came from business interests. However, only 26.4% of his campaign contributions came from individuals. So much for "turning to ordinary Americans for help."

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.asp?CID=N00004029&cycle;=2004

Apparently, Conyers, like all Democratic congressmen, tries to make you all feel like you are his "base," yet the largest contributions to his reelection campaigns come from businesses. Just thought I'd expose some of Conyers' lies.

Speaking of lies, the real topic of this place is, obviously, the belief that the 2004 election was stolen. Liberals have not been good at handling the truth for a while now. Liberals can never accept that many people from Canada and Europe come to the US for healthcare because their nationalized healthcare sucks. Liberals can never accept that thanks to immigration, Muslims, who make up 3% of Norway's population, account for 98% of Norway's crime. Liberals can never accept the fact that the Muslims desecrate far more Korans everyday than the US ever may have, when they send suicide bombers to blow up mosques. Liberals can never accept the fact that in the Communist countries they idolize, such as Cuba, thousands of people flee from them every year. So, it's only natural that they think the 2004 election was stolen.

I really don't feel like getting into the specifics of the 2004 election irregularities. Nothing I say will convince liberals of the truth. However, I will ask this: why hasn't the DNC done anything about the so-called fraud? Surely they would be leading the effort to repeal the election had there been sufficient evidence suggesting it was stolen. Where was John Kerry to contest it? Where was Edwards? Where was Clinton? Where was any prominent Democrat? Oh, that's right, they know the election wasn't stolen, and instead they're working on meaningful liberal stuff, like promoting sodomy and murdering brain-damaged women and unborn babies.

Comment #67: christy said on 5/28/05 @ 5:27pm ET...

Comment #72: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 5:14pm ET...

Great work, Congressman. Bush sits in the White House having never been elected, and now he is going down.

If Conyers and his ilk have their way this country will be goin' down faster than George Michael in a shithouse.

Comment #68: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 5:29pm ET...

It is typical for powerful liberals to exploit the ignorance of everyday-liberals to raise money. Conyers is doing this ten-fold with the Ohio election. He knows a goldmine when he sees one.

Comment #69: Right Wing Nut said on 5/28/05 @ 5:37pm ET...

Hello everyone, I'm a right wing nut. I don't need "statistics" or "sources" of information. I'll make up lies as I see fit. It's all about the winning for me. God is on my side, so I can't really do any wrong.
No matter how much you try to prove to me that the politicians I support are hypocrites, I won't believe it. They're all lies to me, even if you have the proof. I'll just throw claims of 'liberal media' back at you. So I feel justified for slandering John Conyers.

By the way, does anybody have any Cocoa Puffs? I'm really coo coo for
Cocoa Puffs.

Comment #70: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 5:41pm ET...

>>Hello everyone, I'm a right wing nut. I don't need "statistics" or "sources" of information. I'll make up lies as I see fit.<<

I'm a left wing nut. Even when someone cites a source showing that Conyers' largest campaign contributions come from business, I'll simply ignore it and shout that Republicans never use sources. Besides, the only valid sources are the ones that support my beliefs anyway.

Comment #71: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 5:43pm ET...

Scam and the other freepers, Military recruiting has missed its mark by 42%. To show your support for your never-elected Bunny Pants, you are honor bound to enlist. You are needed in Fallujah. Go fight for Fallujah for Bush. If you would, you would not have the time to reveal your fear of Congressman Conyers and his efforts to expose your squatter in the White House.

Comment #72: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 5:46pm ET...

You are a true, patriotic American, Rep. Conyers.

Sad, isn't it, to read the rantings of the rightwing fringe group, always spouting the same same old garbage, always miserable, unhappy, envious and negative.

They can be used to serve a purpose though. As Milton said, 'they also serve who only stand and wait'.

I have made a habit of printing out their rantings and sending them to my Republican friends and family so they can see who they are alligned with. That is the best way to convince them that they are on the wrong side.

Turn their words into bumper stickers, signs etc, and ask America, 'does this represent you?' It works, try it, most decent Republicans are thoroughly repelled when they see this kind of ignorance and hatred.

Oh, and send them to your Republican Reps also, so they too can see who their supporters are.Just telling them about these poor lost souls isn't enough, it really has to be seen to be believed.

Meantime, I will pass your request to everyone I know and I have no doubt you will be re-elected. If only there were more men of honor like you in this country ~ keep up the good work.

Everyone I know, both Repub and Dem, has the utmost respect for what you have contributed to this country. You make us proud, at a time when the AWOL president and his chickenhawk administration, not one of whom stood up for their country when they had the chance and who should be ashamed to even mention the word 'veteran', make it difficult to be proud. Thank you, thank you for all you do.

Katrina

Comment #73: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 5:47pm ET...

Hello everyone! I am a drooling left wing willfuly ignorant maniac. I don't need "statistics" or "sources" of information. I'll make up lies as I see fit, although I'm not bright enough to make them believable. It's all about the winning for me. Satan is on my side, so I can really do all the harm I want. No matter how much you try to prove to me that the politicians I support are anti-American and mostly out for themselves, I won't believe it. They're all lies to me, even if you have the proof with photos and sworn testimony. I'll just throw claims of "Bushbot media" back at you. I feel justified for slandering this puke-of-a-nation and anything connected with it that isn't devoted to the cause of destroying it.

By the way, does anybody have any toast? I hear Bush is toast and I would like an order with legs.

Comment #74: AHiddenSaint said on 5/28/05 @ 5:49pm ET...

Mr. Conyers, if you view this message please know that a lot of people are proud of you. There are always going to be those that lash out when they fear what they can not control. In life we struggle to find the wisedom to solve all of our problems, but there is no greater guide then our hearts.

Just remember the strength of a man is set by his actions. You have done good things and your actions speak volumes about the trust that we the people put into our representatives. As long as you never forget those who stand up proud to support you then I believe you will always have supporters willing to see you back in office.

Comment #75: trouble said on 5/28/05 @ 5:50pm ET...

I came to this site with the intention of sending a contribution to Rep. Conyers to assist in his great work in defending our democracy.

However, having read some of the idiotic, juvenile and hateful comments here, I have decided to DOUBLE my contribution.

Thank you for your honorable work, Rep. Conyers!

(Oh.... and thanx to the trolls for pushing me to make a bigger donation. I cannot think how money could be better spent.)

Comment #76: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 5:52pm ET...

>>Scam and the other freepers, Military recruiting has missed its mark by 42%. To show your support for your never-elected Bunny Pants, you are honor bound to enlist. You are needed in Fallujah. Go fight for Fallujah for Bush. If you would, you would not have the time to reveal your fear of Congressman Conyers and his efforts to expose your squatter in the White House.<<

Another classic liberal argument. Telling us to join the military because we support the war in Iraq. Let's find out what's wrong with this argument.

First of all, the United States sponsors many things that most people support, such as the Peace Corps. Since you no doubt support the humanitarian goals of the Peace Corps., why don't you join?

The reason why you don't join is because you don't want to drastically change your life over something like this. Joining the Peace Corps. means you'll spend at least a couple years away from home, possibly doing dangerous work, and hardly making any money or progress in life. The Peace Corps. missions are best left to those who voluntarily joined; not everyone who supports the Peace Corps.' goals should be pressured to join. Similarly, I support the goals of the US military in Iraq, but I do not wish to join, as I do not wish to abandon my relatively sucessful life in America for a couple years. Instead, I acknowledge that the only people who should be sent to Iraq are those who bravely volunteered to do this kind of stuff when they enlisted in the army.

Do you support the ACLU? Then why don't you give every cent you earn to them, insetead of spending most of your money on yourself? Is it because you want to support the ACLU without devoting your whole life to it? I support the war in Iraq, but I'm not willing to devote my whole life to it.

Comment #77: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 6:06pm ET...

I was kidding of course. Rep. Conyers is much too honorable to ever do anything underhanded while seeking donations. The guy is a prince!

Comment #78: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 6:07pm ET...

Excuses, excuses, Will ~ check out the monster thread of hundreds and hundreds of Democratic veterans on DU ~ and do the right thing, follow their example and go fight in this war you say you support. It's awe-inspiring to see how many Democrats have served their country honorably, and truly sad to know that those currently sending others to do their fighting for them, never set foot on a battlefield, in any of the wars they support so passionately.

War Hath No Fury Like The Non-Combatant

That's a great idea, Trouble, for every troll post, how about adding another donation for Rep. Conyers? We may as well use them for something worthwhile ~ :-)

Comment #79: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 6:10pm ET...

Will, the Peace Corps hasn't been ordered into harm's way and doesn't have its members dying. Do you really think it's fair that the people in the military have been sent to Iraq to fight this war?

Comment #80: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 6:10pm ET...

Horkus, you wrote FOX, but I'm sure you meant CBS. Please use the "preview" option before posting. You'll save yourself a lot of embarrassment. But I did love the joke about the people coming here are "too imformed". That's cute.

Comment #81: more trouble said on 5/28/05 @ 6:11pm ET...

Just like trouble, I came to this site with the intention of sending a contribution to Rep. Conyers to assist in his great work in defending our democracy.

However, having read some of the idiotic, juvenile and hateful comments here, I have decided to TRIPLE my contribution.

Thank you for your honorable work, Rep. Conyers!

(Oh.... and thanx to the trolls for pushing me to make a bigger donation. I cannot think how money could be better spent. With me and trouble combined, we have donated almost 35 cents. That's half our annual income.)

Comment #82: Nana said on 5/28/05 @ 6:13pm ET...

Mr Conyers

I am pleased to contribute now and will gladly in the future.
I am happy to hear that you never take from corporations and special interests. When you play, you must pay, as we see everyday in our government.
I am tickled about the book. When I saw Gore Vidal hold his up on Bill Maher's show, I was envious!
troll note; The 'morals and ethics' party is out in full force. I wouldn't shuch them. With every testimony ,they broadcast neoCON ignorance, hate, and intolerance. Money couldn't buy this kind of advertisement in politics. They think only 50 people read this blog! Thats funny!

Comment #83: Nana said on 5/28/05 @ 6:15pm ET...

typo, shush

Comment #84: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 6:20pm ET...

Looks like "Nana" is taking a politian's word as golden and hasn't bothered to do her own research. All she has to do is scroll up and find a link that tells her exactly where Conyer's contributions come from. But that's too much legwork for a liberal mind.

Comment #85: Horkus said on 5/28/05 @ 6:21pm ET...

Warren Peace, I'm sure your referring to the Rathergate memo. The one that was never proven or disproven. Nothing about the story was proven to be false either.

I'm sure you also know that Sumner Redstone (CEO of CBS's parent company) was a Bush supporter.

Liberal media my ass.

Comment #86: catgirl25 said on 5/28/05 @ 6:21pm ET...

Keep the faith, Mr. Conyers. The truth is on your side.

Comment #87: catgirl25 said on 5/28/05 @ 6:21pm ET...

Keep the faith, Rep. Conyers. The truth is on your side.

Comment #88: Mom said on 5/28/05 @ 6:23pm ET...

The media way, way, way liberal, Horkus. Grow up.

Comment #89: twenty4blackbirds said on 5/28/05 @ 6:25pm ET...

The Constitution of the United States
The Supreme Law of the Land

Preamble
We the People of the United States,
in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,
provide for the common defense,
promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
do ordain and establish this Constitution
for the United States of America.

The United States Bill of Rights
I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendments
XV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall
not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on
account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

***
I love United States of America.

Comment #90: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 6:30pm ET...

I love United States of America.

Here, here! :)

Comment #91: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 6:31pm ET...

Well, Horkus, you must have stopped paying attention to the story in October. It was exposed as a total fraud. The producer and others were fired outright or ask to resign. Dan Rather left in disgrace. CBS News has become a punchline and is presently in the ratings toilet.

BTW, Redstone may be a Bush supporter, but the entire news division of CBS News, which was a independent operation, were from the "Anybody But Bush" camp.

Comment #92: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 6:44pm ET...

Grow up Warren, everyone knows the CBS story was totally true, your president is a coward who went AWOL. Thanks for reminding on this Memorial Day weekend!

Btw, there is still a reward of $10,000 for anyone who knows where he was for that 17 months during which he was nowhere to be found, when he should have been serving his country. So far, no one has collected it!! Enough said. Dan Rather was set up, he will be vindicated ~

Familiar as I have become with the hate-filled rightwing, even I didn't think they could stoop this low.

You get kudos, 'Vereran' for at least being honest about your hatred for the troops who put their lives on the line for you.

This will be sent out to every military contact I have. In case they had any doubt left as to who really supports them.

You are a disgrace to this nation, and to those who had the courage to do what you are too cowardly to do yourself.

Comment #104: Vereran said on 5/28/05 @ 6:16pm ET...

It's a shame that Vererans who are liberals weren't killed or did not otherwise die while in uniform. At least their lifes would have served some useful purpose.

I imagine those who are reading this on Memorial Day weekend, are now aware of what we have been trying to tell them all along.

Keep up the good work, 'Vereran'! It must be painful to be so filled with hatred for your own country and troops.

Comment #93: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 6:44pm ET...

>>Excuses, excuses, Will ~ check out the monster thread of hundreds and hundreds of Democratic veterans on DU ~ and do the right thing, follow their example and go fight in this war you say you support. It's awe-inspiring to see how many Democrats have served their country honorably, and truly sad to know that those currently sending others to do their fighting for them, never set foot on a battlefield, in any of the wars they support so passionately.

War Hath No Fury Like The Non-Combatant

That's a great idea, Trouble, for every troll post, how about adding another donation for Rep. Conyers? We may as well use them for something worthwhile ~ :-)<<

I saw the thread on DU. They served bravely. I would have thanked them, but I can't because I'm banned for expressing a view that goes against Skinner's beliefs. So much for open-minded and tolerant liberals, I guess. They can't tolerate people who disagree with them. But anyway, as I said I believe that I can support a cause without devoting my life to it.

>>Will, the Peace Corps hasn't been ordered into harm's way and doesn't have its members dying. Do you really think it's fair that the people in the military have been sent to Iraq to fight this war?<<

Still, joining the Peace Corps. requires a drastic change in your life. You support the Peace Corps. no doubt, but obviously you haven't joined, because you are acting in your own self interest. So am I when I decline joining the military. The people in the military signed up to obey orders. They've been ordered to go to war by their elected leaders (maybe some radicals believe they weren't elected, but sane people do), so yes, I do think it's fair that they're fighting there.

Comment #94: Horkus said on 5/28/05 @ 6:45pm ET...

Warren, there no are publications that refuted Rather's story. Maybe some Swift Boat Veterans for Truth organizations or Talon News garbage, but no credible organizations refuted
Bush's crappy ass service record.

Rather still works at CBS.

"Anybody but Bush Camp", now I know you listen to too much Limbaugh, O'reilly, Hannity. (Like there's a difference among them)

Comment #95: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 6:45pm ET...

ACTUALLY warren,
The CBS thing was never disproven, and the people that resigned did so because they failed to check into the source of the FAKE documents based on the REAL documents that the secretary said she typed almost verbatum, right there on my tv.

Did you 'forget' that part? :)
Did you forget the actual documents that have been made available that DO NOT COVER captain cuckoo bananas' bottom?

The GOOD thing about what happened to CBS is that it opened our eyes to the dirtiest of dirt and how to check and double check every bit of info that comes our way.

Bush lied.
Your boy is going down.
Eventually. :)

Comment #96: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 6:49pm ET...

So far, no one has collected it!! Enough said. <-- lol @ that

Enough said indeed.

Comment #97: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 6:51pm ET...

Heather dear, you are a good example of why these sort of discussions should be left to the grownups.

I will repeat for you: The story was exposed as the 100% fraud it was. That is a fact you will have to accept if you want to be thought of as an honest and intelligent person. CBS lied and liberals died. And we owe it all to the sharp minds on the internet.

Comment #98: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 6:54pm ET...

>>It's a shame that Vererans who are liberals weren't killed or did not otherwise die while in uniform. At least their lifes would have served some useful purpose.<<

You're probably just a liberal trying to make conservatives look bad, but whatever you are, shut up.

>>Grow up Warren, everyone knows the CBS story was totally true, your president is a coward who went AWOL. Thanks for reminding on this Memorial Day weekend!

Btw, there is still a reward of $10,000 for anyone who knows where he was for that 17 months during which he was nowhere to be found, when he should have been serving his country. So far, no one has collected it!! Enough said. Dan Rather was set up, he will be vindicated ~ <<

Another perfect example of how liberals can never accept defeat. First they claimed the documents were true, then when it was proven they weren't, they claimed that Dan Rather was set up.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to fall for that kind of set-up. Those documents were clearly typed in times new roman on Microsoft word, as has been demonstrated many times.
I find it hard to believe that someone in as high of a position as Rather could fall for something that didn't fool bloggers for more than a couple hours. But after all, he is a liberal, so what can you expect?

It's quite obvious that Bush didn't serve very honorably, but it's even more obvious that Rather went out of his way to prove that Bush was AWOL and failed miserably.

Comment #99: rawrawneedshermeds said on 5/28/05 @ 6:59pm ET...

hey somone needs there meds we are upseting them

Comment #100: rawrawneedshermeds said on 5/28/05 @ 6:59pm ET...

hey somone needs there meds we are upseting them

Comment #101: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 7:01pm ET...

Will said: The people in the military signed up to obey orders.

No, they did not. They signed up to 'defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies'. They are duty bound to refuse to follow illegal orders.

The military judge in the Pablo Paredes case, based on his defense that to go to fight in this war, based on lies, would be to fight in an illegal war, agreed with him.

The Nazis followed illegal orders, they were held accountable for that. The Geneva Convention is clear, our Constitution is clear. This is a war based on lies, and it is not the duty of any soldier to follow an order that is illegal. There have been 30,000 requests from soldiers for information on Conscientious Objector status regarding this war. And so far, at least 6,000 desertions, maybe more. Recruitment the lowest in ten years.

I think the American people, and the troops, are beginning to see the light. Bush has the lowest poll numbers of any president in recent history.

If you care at all about your country, do something to show it. Ask your government to answer some of these questions, to begin with. Hold them accountable!

Where is Osama? Where are the WMDs? Where is the Anthrax killer? Where is the missing $9 billion dollars in Iraqi Oil revenues? Why is this war still raging going into its third year, when this administration said it would be 'a piece of cake'? Why did Bush et al lie about the cost of this war?

Why are mercenaries being paid huge sums of money, while our troops are having their benefits cut? And there's more, much more.

Why are tax-payer dollars being used to pay for fake news? How did a male, prostitute, fake reporter, get access to the WH, even after hours? I could a book with questions for this administration, but that'll do for now.

And how do you know what anyone here has done for their country? I, for one, have walked the walk, you, otoh, are not willing to do so.

However, if your reasons for refusing to serve in a war you say you support were based on the illegality of that war, I would commend you.

Comment #102: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 7:04pm ET...

I know where President Bush was for those 17 months. Where's my $10,000.00? He was sent on a secret mission to follow Bill Clinton around Europe and try to stop him from bad-mouthing the United States. It was a noble assignment.

Comment #103: Nana said on 5/28/05 @ 7:07pm ET...

Warren piece

You diappoint with your insipid response. I would prefer something louder, with more venom. Original.
So, every time you disappoint, I will add $50.00 to my contribution.

Comment #104: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 7:21pm ET...

>>No, they did not. They signed up to 'defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies'. They are duty bound to refuse to follow illegal orders.

The military judge in the Pablo Paredes case, based on his defense that to go to fight in this war, based on lies, would be to fight in an illegal war, agreed with him.

The Nazis followed illegal orders, they were held accountable for that. The Geneva Convention is clear, our Constitution is clear. This is a war based on lies, and it is not the duty of any soldier to follow an order that is illegal. There have been 30,000 requests from soldiers for information on Conscientious Objector status regarding this war. And so far, at least 6,000 desertions, maybe more. Recruitment the lowest in ten years.<<

Soldiers sign up to follow orders. They are taught to accept discipline, and not to question their leaders, as all soldiers are. The war in Iraq is completely Constitutional, and thus the soldiers are not doing anything illegal, for the most part.

The abusers at Abu Ghraib decided to violate international law and abuse prisoners of war. They are being punished. No evidence shows that Rumsfeld or someone with the administration ordered the abuse. All the claims about abuse at Guantanamo Bay have not been proven. The soldiers are not being ordered to violate international law, but when they do they are punished justly. Even if the war is based on lies, as you claim (nevermind the fact that many prominent Democrats, such as Kerry, voted for it), the soldiers are still required to follow orders.

>>I think the American people, and the troops, are beginning to see the light. Bush has the lowest poll numbers of any president in recent history.<<

Then the American people can express their views in November 2006. We'll see if these approval ratings really mean anything.

>>If you care at all about your country, do something to show it. Ask your government to answer some of these questions, to begin with. Hold them accountable!<<

I'll leave asking redundant questions to the left. They've gotten good at it.

>>Where is Osama?<<

Probably Pakistan. We're looking for him.

>>Where are the WMDs?<<

In Iraq, where John Kerry and many other Democrats said they were.

>>Where is the Anthrax killer?<<

Who knows? It's not important as he didn't do anything significant.

>>Where is the missing $9 billion dollars in Iraqi Oil revenues?<<

Probably in the pocket of some corporation. Maybe if you find a definite answer you can start a movement to punish them.

>>Why is this war still raging going into its third year, when this administration said it would be 'a piece of cake'?<<

Because the administration misunderestimated the numbers of insurgents. The war hasn't been fought as well as it could have been.

>>Why did Bush et al lie about the cost of this war?<<

I wouldn't call it a lie. He thought it would end sooner, and thus he thought it would be cheaper. He was wrong.

>>Why are mercenaries being paid huge sums of money, while our troops are having their benefits cut?<<

Because Bush has no concern for the veterans. Again, he's not a good president, but he was better than the alternative.

>>Why are tax-payer dollars being used to pay for fake news? How did a male, prostitute, fake reporter, get access to the WH, even after hours?<<

Because Bush wants to be asked questions that he can answer in his press conferences.

>>I could a book with questions for this administration, but that'll do for now.<<

And I'm sure anyone with more than a room temperature IQ could answer them.

>>And how do you know what anyone here has done for their country? I, for one, have walked the walk, you, otoh, are not willing to do so.<<

Did I ever claim to know who served and who didn't?

Comment #105: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 7:22pm ET...

My response from warren was weak too.

Apparently there are troll talking points published somewhere.

I want something NEW damn it!

I forget which thread I'm in. :)

If the troll discourse was different or at least ON topic I'd have an easier time finding my way.

Comment #106: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 7:22pm ET...

I don't do loud and venomous. I am not a liberal. Sorry, Nana.

I cannot find in me the desire to care about your contributions one way or the other. I can see you are easily lead.

Comment #107: Deluded DUers said on 5/28/05 @ 7:23pm ET...

"I'm sure your referring to the Rathergate memo. The one that was never proven or disproven. Nothing about the story was proven to be false either."

Yes it was.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010522.php

"because they failed to check into the source of the FAKE documents based on the REAL documents that the secretary said she typed almost verbatum, right there on my tv"

You are deluded.

"In the interview, Ms. Knox states that she does not believe the memos are genuine. However, she confirms that the content of the memos does reflect the feelings of Lt. Col. Killian at the time and accurately portrays events that were taking place in connection with then-Lt. Bush’s Texas Air National Guard service."

“I know that I didn’t type ‘em. However, the information in those is correct,” Ms. Knox told CBS News for tonight’s broadcast."

(Marian Carr (later Knox) was NOT Killian's secretary, but a pool secretary)

Comment #108: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 7:41pm ET...

Okay, using powerline to defend a conservative argument to a liberal is just plain silly.

Jeez.
Next!

Comment #109: VerifiedPaperBallots said on 5/28/05 @ 7:42pm ET...

Rep. Conyers is just $50 away from proving Kerry won Ohio.

Comment #110: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 7:46pm ET...

Gee, Heather, defending a conservative "argument" is silly anyway. The truth can stand up for itself and is always open for business. Its liberal lies that constantly require a new coat of paint and a "Under New Management" sign.

Comment #111: Nana said on 5/28/05 @ 7:52pm ET...

Yeah, well, take your 'sockpuppets'

with ya, Mr Piece.

Comment #112: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 7:54pm ET...

Do you want some cookies?
I'm going to make some.

Oh But Hey!!!!
I didn't call anyone a liar. You're such a big meanie weenie bully.

Is the position of head troll given to the guy with the lowest brow?

Comment #113: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 7:59pm ET...

DUmmie says:
"Sheesh, I'm going over to the freerepublic, where people seem have on average 20 more IQ points"

than a BLASTOCYST.

Snark!

Comment #114: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 8:01pm ET...

No thanks, Heather. I don't do drugs, even if they are baked into cookies.

I didn't call anyone a liar either. I remarked on what is required to maintain lies. But if the shoe fits...

The position of Head Troll is given to the one with the most exceptional eyesight. I can see right through liberals, so of course they made me The Big Cheese.

Comment #115: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:01pm ET...

Hey DorkyBob you're the one to talk. You're the one going on a democratic Congressman's blog wasting your time. What good do you think you're doing here? You think you're going to stop people? Get a life.

Comment #116: You Know Who said on 5/28/05 @ 8:02pm ET...

Katrina,

You're so easy to bait.

Now, go back to the DUmp and do something on LIHOP/MIHOP or Bush is Hitler or the election was stolen or chemtrails some other such foolishness. Just be the entertainment you were born to be.

Thanx.

Comment #117: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 8:02pm ET...

What if Clinton or Gore or Kerry had invaded Iraq? Would the right wing be applauding, given constant death and destruction? What if the Democrats owned the voting machines and the vote-counting machines? What if there were Dem secretaries of state in the decisive states in two straight elections in which the Dems told the Republicans the conservatives had lost two consecutive close elections? Republicans would be demanding investigations of everything and telling every Democrat to join the military.

Comment #118: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 8:11pm ET...

>>Republicans would be demanding investigations of everything<<

Republicans would be doing more than demanding investigations. They would be conducting investigations. Republicans have balls. Look at the Washington state gubernatorial election. There were a ton of errors, although no definite occurrences of fraud, and the Republicans are contesting the election in court right now. The Democrats, on the other hand, have been whining about the 2004 presidential election ever since Kerry conceded, and yet the still have accomplished nothing other than gotten a couple radical congressmen to promote the idea that it was stolen. The Democrats simply react. The Republicans, however, act.

Comment #119: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:11pm ET...

OOoooo number seventy-eight is all big and bad. Oooo. I'm a rightwinger and when I can't make any contribution to what's being said I act like a big boy and attack people personally. Wa wa wa. Grow up and go do something constructive. Why are you at a democratic blog if you don't have anything positive to contribute? Go be supportive of a republican Senator or Congressman or someone who's going to run next year or this year even. Do something constructive besides being an idiot.

Comment #120: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:14pm ET...

Hey Will on the Iraq war the reason why people bring that up is because NOBODY IS JOINING IT! They need some warm bodies and those of you who are spouting "this war is great" nonsense should go and join and help out if you love it so much. They recently upped the recruitment age to forty.

Comment #121: You Know Who said on 5/28/05 @ 8:14pm ET...

Nope, if the exact same events happened and if Gore had done and said the exact same thing that Bush has done and said in the past 4+ years, you liberals would have defended him.

That's the whole fun thing with you libs. You have no core beliefs. There's nothing analytical or logic about any position you take, it's all emotionalism. That's why it's so easy to push your buttons, just say anything off the wall and you nutsos hit the bait every time. You're nothing but a damn freak show. And the DUmp is the 3 ring circus of freak shows.

How many times have I told you idiots this? But you keep right on doing it.

Keep jumping through the hoops we set up for you and then deny to yourselves that you're so stupid you continually fall for it. It makes us point and laugh even harder.

Comment #122: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:15pm ET...

Hey number seventy-nine. How do you know they're the same people? People share computers you know. For example my whole family shares our computer and we all do our own thing online. So you don't know what you're talking about I'm sure. Making false accusation's for all we know. You don't know if they're the same person just because they share the same IP.

Comment #123: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:21pm ET...

All you Iraqi war need to sign up for the military since you support it. As for my part since I don't support the war I'm going to become a human shield. To do anything less than that would be hypocrital of me.

Comment #124: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:21pm ET...

Oh Warren you're so ignorant. Anybody who knows their basic Bush family 101 history knows Bush was an AWOL. He was supposed to show up in Alabama for his physical and a pilots test but never showed up for either. He was never in Vietnam unlike Al Gore and John Kerry and even John McCain who were in Vietnam. Bush isn't a solider and never has been and should stop prancing around in military outfits. Not even President Esienhower did and he was a real military man. You're just like Bush. Just do nothing but smear and lie to people. I think it's sad in a pathetic way. You really should know your history.

Comment #125: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 8:24pm ET...

>>Hey Will on the Iraq war the reason why people bring that up is because NOBODY IS JOINING IT! They need some warm bodies and those of you who are spouting "this war is great" nonsense should go and join and help out if you love it so much. They recently upped the recruitment age to forty.<<

The army will survive without new American recruits. The Iraqis are signing up in good rates, and the troops will start to leave in 2006.

Comment #126: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:24pm ET...

Hey Will if you know that Bush was in the military at that time why don't you contact the group Texans for Truth and tell them you know where dear Bushie was those seventeen months and earn you some nice cash and donate it to a group of your choice or to a military group. I'm sure you have that proof, right? You know where he was? I'm sure you can back up your claims, right? So why don't you do it? Go gain you $10,000 if you know what you say to be true I'm sure you'd like some of that money eh?

Comment #127: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 8:27pm ET...

>You're just like Bush.< Warren dude, you just got a huge compliment. :)

Comment #128: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:28pm ET...

Republicans have balls? Oh that's hilarious. All they have is talking points.

Comment #129: move on said on 5/28/05 @ 8:28pm ET...

Emily, the election is over. Bush won. Get over it. No one but a bunch of left-wing kooks even cares about these AWOL lies you dolts made up or even about how Kerry self-inflicted his wounds to get out of serving. It's dead. Figure it out already.

Comment #130: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:30pm ET...

You really think they will leave in 2006? Then why are they building military bases there? LOL. If you think that you'd believe the earth was flat.

Comment #131: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:31pm ET...

So you're not an example eh Head Troll? What a moron.

Comment #132: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:32pm ET...

Hey moveon why do you care? Why don't YOU move on and get off this blog? I think it's hilarious how you're wasting your time here. And I'M the one who should move on? LOL!

Comment #133: Q said on 5/28/05 @ 8:33pm ET...

In that case Emily you need to be upset over the fact that the USA never left Germany and Japan after WW2. They set up bases. Where's the outrage on the left?

::crickets::

Comment #134: moveon said on 5/28/05 @ 8:35pm ET...

Emily,

I know it upsets you that no one of any importance takes you left-wing whackos seriously, and you want so desperately to be taken seriously because you view yourselves as being intelligent. But that's just never going to happen.

Comment #135: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:35pm ET...

Oh Q. You didn't read my post, did you? I was replying because Will said they're going to leave in 2006. Their military isn't even trained yet and won't be for another four-five years (information from General Clark).

Comment #136: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:37pm ET...

Oh moveon. And why do you think anybody here will take YOU seriously? You really think that's going to happen? I think you should move on off this website and quit hijacking it.

Comment #137: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 8:37pm ET...

Actually, he said the troops will "start" to leave in 2006, not that they will all leave. Hello? Is this thing on?

Comment #138: Will said on 5/28/05 @ 8:37pm ET...

>>Hey Will if you know that Bush was in the military at that time why don't you contact the group Texans for Truth and tell them you know where dear Bushie was those seventeen months and earn you some nice cash and donate it to a group of your choice or to a military group. I'm sure you have that proof, right? You know where he was? I'm sure you can back up your claims, right? So why don't you do it? Go gain you $10,000 if you know what you say to be true I'm sure you'd like some of that money eh? <<

I don't really care what Bush was doing during the war. And neither did the American public, as we saw on November 2, 2004.

>>Emily=perfect example of why women shouldn't be allowed to vote. She is bringing down the curve for her entire sex. <<

Women should never have been given the vote. Republicans would have won every post WWII election except in 1964 if women couldn't vote :)

Comment #139: Q said on 5/28/05 @ 8:38pm ET...

2006 thing makes no differnce to me. Are you or are you not upset that the USA set up bases in Germany and Japan after WW2? Quit trying to think and just answer the questions. I didn't ask you to think, I know it's something liberals are incapable of doing.

Comment #140: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:42pm ET...

You all are a bunch of idiots. Fuck all you Reputhuglicans. Go to some other country you Jesus-worshipping gun-wielding SUV-driving morons. Get out of America, you unpatriotic bastards. Go fuck yourselves.

Comment #141: mopaul said on 5/28/05 @ 8:42pm ET...

deleted because of profanity

Comment #142: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:44pm ET...

Botany

Comment #143: bpilgrim said on 5/28/05 @ 8:44pm ET...

dubya got more ELECTRICAL VOTES than kerry and more SCJ votes than gore, so...

G E T O V E R I T ! ! !

already

BBV

peace

Comment #144: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:46pm ET...

All of you who are here hijacking Mr. Conyers blog I think you're just really immature and it's really quite sad (in a pathetic way). You should go and do something constructive for your party. There are seats up next year and even some governor races up. Find a canidate running who you believe in and help them. Maybe instead of wasting your time on a democratic Congressman's blog help out something that you can make a differnece or volunteer for a kids summer camp or something constructive. If you think you're here to change people's minds here you're just dreaming. So go support a republican Congressman or Senator and commute with them. Stop attacking a Congressman and his supporters. Just grow up.

Comment #145: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 8:47pm ET...

Hey trollies!

Are ya'll coming over tomorrow too?
Or do you have something else to do....

I hate to leave you.
But it's time to go.

I'm going to leave you with a song. It's PERFECT.

"This is the song that never ends.
It goes on and on my friends.

Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue singing it forever just because,

This is the song that never ends.
It goes on and on my friends.

Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,

and they'll continue singing it forever just because,

This is the song that never ends.
It goes on and on my friends.

Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue singing it forever just because,

This is the song that never ends.
It goes on and on my friends.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,

and they'll continue singing it forever just because,"

Start over.
see ya

Comment #146: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 8:49pm ET...

You're right, Will. The right wing would have done all it could to stop the madness if the Dems had done what the right wing has done the last few years. You have got to admit, though, that Conyers has been one of the few Dem politicians to show "balls" in standing up to this Bush thing. Why do you come to his blog to hassle him? He is most certainly taking action. He is exhibiting a trait you seem to admire.

Comment #147: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 8:51pm ET...

Did I say to run for an elective office? No. I said to find a candiate you believe in and help them. And you're right Tim. Why else would people like Will be here if Conyers wasn't doing something they didn't like? I think it's pathetic.

Comment #148: OK said on 5/28/05 @ 8:54pm ET...

Emily, first of all liberals would have to have minds before they could be changed, so you're right that's not why we're here. I already told you, we know how to say things that get under you skin and you idiots continue to take the bait. Now if you don't like it, no one's making you stick around except we know you can't stand liberalism being laughed at. You might as well just learn to accept it, because as long as there's liberals there's going to be people pointing and laughing at you. It's why you're here.

Comment #149: Former Democrat said on 5/28/05 @ 8:54pm ET...

You have to be a democrat to be DUmb enough to believe that Andy Stephenson didn't scam the people at the DU.

Comment #150: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 8:58pm ET...

...And "Emily" resorts to type...liberals are sooooo predictable:

"You all are a bunch of idiots. Fuck all you Reputhuglicans. Go to some other country you Jesus-worshipping gun-wielding SUV-driving morons. Get out of America, you unpatriotic bastards. Go fuck yourselves. " - Emily, at her peak of intelligence, right after eating some of Heather's cookies.

Comment #151: Heather said on 5/28/05 @ 9:00pm ET...

Hey man, don't diss the cookies!

nighty night
for real

Comment #152: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 9:01pm ET...

Have any of them signed up yet? I offered to give them the info they need!

Come on guys, Bush needs you badly.

So, we're leaving in 2006! *lol* That's as believable as the 'Mushroom Cloud', the plagiarized Docs, the WMDs etc. etc!

Wow, some people will believe anything, don't you get tired of being made to look foolish?

Did I ever claim to know who served and who didn't?

No, Will, so my apologies if you were not implying that those who oppose this war, have not volunteered to serve their country in some way.

I find it hard to believe that someone in as high of a position as Rather could fall for something that didn't fool bloggers for more than a couple hours.

Bloggers? *rotfl*!! You mean the ones from FR who were part of the set-up? *lol*.

You freepers are so easily fooled. The entire program, including the content of the memos, proved beyond a doubt, that Bush was AWOL!

I love it when you all give me an opportunity to say that! He was AWOL! No question about it! The fact that Rove et al, reprinted docs to make them appear to be false, doesn't change the now proven fact, Bush was AWOL!

Look, I feel for you all, it must be hard to have to admit that your hero is a fake! But, face it, the man refused to fight in a war he supported! He couldn't even keep a commitment where he was in no danger at all!!

Btw, I asked a whole pile of questions and not one Bush supporter even tried to answer them. Why so shy all of a sudden? You were all screaming from the rooftops that we get answers to these questions before the war!!

So, once again:

'We'll find Osama!' Okay, so where is he?

'We'll find the WMDS!' Okay, so where are they?

'This war will be a piece of cake'. So what went wrong?

'Iraqi oil revenues will pay for this war'. Okay, so why haven't they?

'We'll find the Anthrax killer'. Still waiting, when is that going to happen?

What has Bush accomplished in five years, other than nearly starting WW111?

It's way past time for hearings on these and other matters. Bring on the Special prosecutors. Lying about war is an impeachable offense and the people are getting restless!

Busy emailing petition for donations to Rep. Conyers' re-election, while playing with poor, deluded, trolls! And, yes, as someone else suggested, try to get some new talking points, this is getting boring! Gotta run, some of us have lives to live and people to meet, and places to go!! :-)

Comment #153: Observer said on 5/28/05 @ 9:03pm ET...

Really libs, you're losing it. You're out of your minds. And the more you lose it the funnier you get. It's like driving by a car wreck, you hate to look but you can't help it. And if there's a political train wreck going on at the moment, it's liberalism.

You're just going to have to let us have our fun laughing at you. Besides, you don't have a choice, we're gonna do it anyway.

Comment #154: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 9:03pm ET...

Uh excuse me but that wasn't me who said that. Grow up. This is my last post to you all. I already signed Mr. Conyers petition so now I'm off to do something that's actually worth my time instead of arguing with you all. Oh and to OK you don't think the whole world is laughing at you for supporting George Bush who is a war criminal? HAHAHA! Lame.

Comment #155: Ohiodem1 said on 5/28/05 @ 9:05pm ET...

This is off topic, but since so many trolls are in here going after the religious angle, what the hell.

HR 235, the Orwellian named "Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act of 2005" proposes to permit Preachers, Rabbis, Immams any Yogis to support candidates or ballot issues without losing their tax exempt status.

This is an unconstitutional attempt to break down the wall between church and state.

Really scary religious legislation

Read it and see for yourself.

Comment #156: FReeper said on 5/28/05 @ 9:05pm ET...

Who cares if Bush was AWOL or not? The election is over, your side lost, get over it.

Andy Stephenson scammed the DUers, we need Conyers to look into that.

Comment #157: You Know Who said on 5/28/05 @ 9:05pm ET...

Katrina,

I don't care if you say Bush was AWOL and a fake. I love conspiracy theory nit-wits like you. I enjoy laughing at how kooky you are.

Do it again.

Comment #158: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 9:06pm ET...

You're right on the anthrax Katrina. I'm sure Mr. Daschle would like to know who sent it to him (I'm sure we all have some idea though right Katrina?) Oh and last time I looked it wasn't the liberals who were attacking their own war veteran because he compromised with democrats. Go over to Free Republic and read some of those messages they posted about Mr. McCain. I think it's quite sad really. Now I'm really off.

Comment #159: Hey Dood said on 5/28/05 @ 9:07pm ET...

-->I'm off to do something that's actually worth my time instead of arguing with you all.

Emily's off to fire up the bong.

Comment #160: Former Democrat said on 5/28/05 @ 9:08pm ET...

Hey Ohiodem1, your link doesn't work moron!

Comment #161: Ohiodem1 said on 5/28/05 @ 9:08pm ET...

On the post above #189, the search might expire at Thomas.

If you hit a dead link, use this one and type in "HR 235" in the search box.

Thomas

Comment #162: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 9:09pm ET...

Emily- That's the difference between you liberal pinheads and we normal people. We know the rest of the world exists at the pleasure of the USA and we REALLY REALLY don't care what they think. But if they behave themselves, they will be ok. If the rest of the world had any sense, they would be our equals, not our enemies.

Comment #163: Geez said on 5/28/05 @ 9:13pm ET...

"Oh and to OK you don't think the whole world is laughing at you for supporting George Bush who is a war criminal?"

Emily,

A few little moonbats like yourself does not the whole world make.

Comment #164: toast said on 5/28/05 @ 9:16pm ET...

brb I have to test out my legs

Comment #165: Former DemocRAT said on 5/28/05 @ 9:17pm ET...

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Like they care what we think.

Comment #166: TruthIsAll said on 5/28/05 @ 9:19pm ET...

>>It's way past time for hearings on these and other matters. Bring on the Special prosecutors. Lying about war is an impeachable offense and the people are getting restless!

Busy emailing petition for donations to Rep. Conyers' re-election, while playing with poor, deluded, trolls! And, yes, as someone else suggested, try to get some new talking points, this is getting boring! Gotta run, some of us have lives to live and people to meet, and places to go!! :-) <<

Katrina, you whack-jobs aren't going to do anything. First of all there's nothing there, it's all crap you've dreamed up in what little minds you do have. Second of all, you're a bunch of freaks. Even the Democratic Party has to hide you fruitcakes in a box come election time while sending surrogates out to tell you they're really listening and to vote for them, and then after the election they ignore you until the next time they have to hide you in a box and whisper that they'll try harder next time. And you nimrods fall for it every time.

And then you want us to respect you and your opinions?

Get real.

Comment #167: Ohiodem1 said on 5/28/05 @ 9:20pm ET...

To 194, Former Democrat.

The difference between me and George W. Bush is that I am man enough to admit I made a mistake and am willing to try to make it right.

George W. Bush is incapable of admiting a mistake, and he would never apologize for anything, no matter how many millions of people he hurts, or no matter how wrong he is.

I also like your creative use of the word "moron".

So, Former Democrat, you have my most sincere apology for providing a link that does not work, have a nice day!

Comment #168: BS said on 5/28/05 @ 9:22pm ET...

If you were man enough to admit you made a mistake, you wouldn't be a liberal.

Comment #169: Damn Straight! said on 5/28/05 @ 9:25pm ET...

Ex-liberals are people who have owned up to how stupid liberalism is and have done something about it by making it right and becoming conservatives.

Comment #170: Heather want a cracker? said on 5/28/05 @ 9:28pm ET...

134: "Okay, using powerline to defend a conservative argument to a liberal is just plain silly.

Jeez.
Next!"

A very weak and typical behavioral response from the weak-minded left, when confronted with the truth. Heather knows she now has no leg to stand on, So when she can't refute the message, she attacks the messenger.

Like I said, typical.

Comment #171: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 9:33pm ET...

Hey, fake Truth Is All, I hate to break it to ya!! But if I had YOUR respect, I'd be seriously worried!! OMG, these trolls are hillarious!! Imagine thinking anyone in their right mind would WANT their 'respect'. You crack me up!!

Please, I have an audience here reading your hillarious nonsense, don't embarrass me and start 'respecting' me!! Please, I have an image to keep up!! *rotfl*

Oh, and Bush WAS AWOL and I don't think there's a statute of limitations on that, is there? I love saying that, it drives the trolls crazy!! Bush was AWOL! *lol*

You're just going to have to let us have our fun laughing at you.

We'll think about it! Humoring the seriously disturbed is not always a good idea, but I'm in a good mood tonight. So, be my guest, I always get a kick out of desperate trolls, laughing hysterically hiding their fears! It's cruel, I know, but sort of irrisistable!!

Bush is toast!! *rotfl* ~ have fun, trolls, gotta run, got better things to do (sort of like Cheney, if you know what I mean)!! It's been fun showing you the facts, I know how much you hate them!! heh! heh!

We liberals ROCK!! I'm off to a party, and I'm going to entertain the guys with tales of freeper trolls who 'laugh at you' but cannot, CANNOT get Bush off the hook, by answering some simple questions!!

Well, you get kudos for trying to defend the indefensible, but I gotta go, so 'bye all, sorry to not take you seriously, but really, get some new material!!

Comment #172: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 9:37pm ET...

Will, a while ago you said you didn't join the military because you had a nice comfortable life, but you supported the war. You didn't say you didn't join because you are only 16 - which was the reason you gave for not running for elected office. This is ridiculous. You can't even keep your lies straight. Look, the Downing Street Memo has told us what we have known all along - the never-elected Bush punk lied the country into a war for oil and war-profiteering. Conyers is one of the few politicians in either party who is speaking truth to power, and the republicans are scared of his efforts. This blog is here for Conyers supporters. The freepers are here because they are afraid of Congressman Conyers.

Comment #173: citizen#3446288Da said on 5/28/05 @ 9:46pm ET...

All this nonsense fighting b/w "liberals" and "conservatives" would be a joke, if it wasn't so serious.

The game is rigged, people. Just ask Mary Matalin (ex aide to vp cheney) and James Carville (ex democrat "leader"). They're laughing at all you little proles jabbering at each other while they literally sleep together.

What did Clinton do for the everyday man? No, NAFTA and the TELECOM act don't count, silly.

Why does no one talk about the fact that Clintons illegal war against Yugoslavia, NEVER approved by the UN, was a PNAC project? See for yourselves: http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm

The federal leviathon is eating this nation alive.

When one "party" reaches an endterm, or becomes unable to carry out the leviathons work, they simply switch bosses and the other "party" continues the work.

Shame on all you partisan children. Grow up and read your constitutions.

Comment #174: GGM said on 5/28/05 @ 9:47pm ET...

Keep up the good work, congressman. There are many of us accross the country who support your efforts.

I haven't really followed the issue regarding Andy on Du, but it seems to me that the Freepers here are abnormally angry about the situation. It's completely understandable.

After all, Freepers wouldn't donate 10 cents to a friend in need, let alone come up with $50,000 to pay for a total stranger's cancer surgery.

I will be happy to donate $50. Anything to help expose the Bush depravity. My Mother in Law is a Republican, but I know the comments from conservatives on this site would upset her greatly I know it will be easy to convince her to make a donation once she sees how despicable her fellow Republicans are being towards Mr. Conyers.

Comment #175: Katrina said on 5/28/05 @ 9:51pm ET...

Tim, you're giving them FACTS!! That's cruel!! And Rush is gone for the weekend so they don't have anyone to tell them how to twist the facts!!

Well, I'm off, it's always fun to play with them, but, I swear, if they don't get some new material soon, I'll have to find another hobby!

Three years of the same old, same old, repeating druggie Rush's talking points, well, even for someone as easily amused as I am, it gets super boring after a while ~ :-(

Nightie night, trolls, and thanks for the entertainment and the 'memories' ~ *lol* ~

Comment #176: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 9:56pm ET...

Com'on, Tim...get honest for a change. The conservatives are here because they were on another site that posted a link. No one is scared of Conyers. Hell, he's been exposed as a wacko on just about everything, so yeah - shaking in boots is REALLY a reaction normal people would have.

The "Downing Street Memeo" is being selectivly disected to once again fit what liberals want. Nothing new in that. It is more of the dishonesty-by-omission we all know and expect from liberals. It is the only way for liberals to continue to exist.

and BTW, that "never-elected" stuff isn't working, so keep using it A LOT. We love it. Love it so much we may have a party on January 19, 2009. Just to say goodbye to your President and mine.

Comment #177: Theresa said on 5/28/05 @ 10:00pm ET...

Amen, GGM. My stomach is still turned upside down from reading this thread. So much bigotry, hatred and repetitive nonsense. I starting thinking about all the Republican friends and neighbors I have . They believe what they do because they are not informed. I can't think of a single one of them that would agree with or support any of the freeper comments posted here. We need to remember that most people in this country are truly compassionate regardless of their party affiliation. The one or two trolls posting here do not represent the majority. They are here (probably paid by the GOP) with the specific intention of disrupting our positive, intellectual debate.

Now I'm off to make my contribution. I can't wait to get my copy of "What Went Wrong in Ohio".

Comment #178: Bob said on 5/28/05 @ 10:05pm ET...

Hey DUmmies,

HAS IS THAT OHIO RECOUNT COMING ALONG?

Comment #179: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 10:16pm ET...

"The one or two trolls posting here do not represent the majority."

You wish, Oh one named after a Christian Saint. You wish it were true.

Turned your stomach upside down? that happens to liberals all the time when faced with facts and truth.

"They are here (probably paid by the GOP) with the specific intention of disrupting our positive, intellectual debate."

No, Blessed Saint Theresa, Conyers would be the first to pay for this if he thought it may rake in a buck.

And please, NEVER use "intellectual" when describing anything to do with liberals if you are serious. It gets a laugh at your expense everytime. It reminds me of two little old ladies talking about their chihuahuas. "Little Pepe is SOOOO smart..."

Comment #180: Right Wing Nut said on 5/28/05 @ 10:17pm ET...

Hi guys, I'm very lonely. I have nothing better to do with my time than to go on liberal websites and tick off people. Like my hero Rush Limbaugh, I can't find a woman who is
willing to accept my insanity and hate. However, I can find some fulfillment by spreading my misery to others. Misery loves company after all. Thank you all for filling the void in my life that even Jesus couldn't fill.

Comment #181: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:22pm ET...

No SIGNED on 5/28/05! It is YOU that is selling out to Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and the Neocons!

Bush has LIED on:

WMD's
Niger Uranium
Sadaam-Osama Connection (sic)

Why don't you STICK IT in your ass!

Comment #182: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:25pm ET...

Spin this, SPIN!

"What went wrong in Ohio?"

Bush and Karl Rove are defrauding mother f---ers! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Comment #183: Tim Owens said on 5/28/05 @ 10:26pm ET...

HT, The Downing Street Memo tells us a lot of things, such as "the intelligence was being 'fixed' around the policy." How is that "selectively disected" (sic)? ("Dissected" is spelled "dissected.") What are you afraid of? Conyers has a book about another crooked election, and he is making noise about proof of the lies that have led to this war, and Jimmy Guckert hasn't gone away yet. Is that it? You are hanging out on a Democratic Congressman's weblog and everthing is fine? You might be saying goodbye to your squatter sooner than you think.

Comment #184: Right Wing Nut and His Talking Balls said on 5/28/05 @ 10:28pm ET...

Hi guys, I'm very lonely because I am a liberal an in the not-so-vast minority. I have nothing better to do with my time than to go on liberal websites and pontificate about the joys of liberalism. Like my anti-hero Rush Limbaugh never is, I am totally full of feces. I can't find another man who is
willing to accept my insanity and hate, but most homosexuals being liberals, they still let me do them.

However, I can find some fulfillment by spreading my misery to others. I think it is a gift. Misery loves company after all. Thank you all for filling the void in my life that not believing in Jesus has caused.

Comment #185: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:30pm ET...

To moron of ohio,

Kerry lost because of Bush, Rove, Diebold, ES & S, other voting machines, and Kerry's lack of cajones to challenge the results!

Comment #186: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:33pm ET...

Right on red queen!

Off with koh.s' head!

Comment #187: Head Troll said on 5/28/05 @ 10:34pm ET...

Hang on little Timmy, Lassie will save You!

Liberal are exactly like cheap chocolate Easter bunnies.

Comment #188: cynic said on 5/28/05 @ 10:34pm ET...

STOP feeding the trolls please, ignore them , and like a child they will go to another site for attention

Comment #189: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:41pm ET...

What the hell with YOU Stephen White?

"I just dropped by here as I saw that Conyers actually reads and replies here. His pandering to his constituents because more and more are Muslims is sickening. Does anyone really need me to post the many, MANY parts of the Koran that call for our death? Just turn on the news cable news channels and look at their burning our flag. No amendment here to protect that. But they want non-believers of their "religion" to use gloves to touch their book? What the hell is wrong with you people? I'm older than most here and have to wonder where your education has failed you. You court your own destruction."

Freedom for all means freedom for ALL, and this bull shit about being a Christian country; sorry, everybody can worship whatever as he or she pleases. It is these idiotic paid preachers who take purse and script everyday on TV FOR WHAT? To dumbify America?

Re-read the King James Version of the Bible. The Lord never called for a holy war.

Comment #190: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:45pm ET...

Kevin, you need an operation to suck your own d---!

Andy needs to pay $50,000 for an operation he can get FREE in Canada, and you have the f---ing nerve to poke fun at him?

GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Comment #191: Warren Peace said on 5/28/05 @ 10:48pm ET...

Mr. Conyers needs to resign immediately. His anti-American activities has rendered him unsuitable for public office. He should be arrested and jailed because he is a threat to national sercurity and he is a traitor to this nation. Anyone donating to his cause, or anyone offering encouragement is as guilty as Conyers himself.

Comment #192: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:50pm ET...

Hey, nothingshocks!

Go get your white bedsheet, and hang yourself!

BTW, Conyers is from Detroit.

Comment #193: Hank Ramey said on 5/28/05 @ 10:54pm ET...

Hey Warr en Peace,

If you support Bush, the Neocons, and Ahmed Chalabi, YOU'RE THE TRAITOR, AND SO IS EVERY SORRY-ASS FREEPER HERE!

Comment #194: Head troll said on 5/28/05 @ 11:11pm ET...

I copied and pasted that brilliant thought from Warren Peace. I think he is on to better things now.

But Hank, you too have brilliant things too say, I'm sure. Maybe one day you will be brought back to life and you and Warren Peace and Jesus can hold a news conference.

(oops! Nevermind! I just got word from my staff that both Warren Peace and Jesus' PR folks won't let them be seen with you. Sorry.)

Comment #195: Stephen Walsh said on 5/28/05 @ 11:17pm ET...

>>You all are a bunch of idiots. Fuck all you Reputhuglicans. Go to some other country you Jesus-worshipping gun-wielding SUV-driving morons. Get out of America, you unpatriotic bastards. Go fuck yourselves.<<

Look at this attack at Christianity...the bedrock of civilization. Without the USA the world goes into the shitter. But the reason Liberalism is a Mental Disorder is also because they are Communists and just don't want to admit it, or are too damned brainwashed to know it. Either way, they are puppets of the radical left that seekws to overthrow America.

Now who is it that the Communist Party of America threw their support behind in the 2004 election? Why it was John Kerry. You fools voted for someone that the communists endorsed. That is sickening. Communist killed over 40 million of their own citizens in the 20th Century. Yeah, go ahead and bash Christian some more. Just remember that he is has no sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

And guns...what's wrong with owning guns. I own over a dozen. You think the police will protect you? Guns prevent over 2 million crimes a year. You liberal pansies don't want to know it, but England had double our violent crime rate....and 2 million Muslims waiting to take over as they call for our death. You remind me of the dingbats atop the building in Independece Day who are welcoming the aliens who have already announced their intentions to kill us.

Any my SUV, I dare you to try and take the gun rack off the back. Stealing my propety in my state allows for the use of deadly force.

Now, who do you think is going to defend America? Will it be you panyt-waisted weaklings, or men like me who have been trained with weapons?

Comment #196: Timothy Baer said on 5/28/05 @ 11:23pm ET...

Congressman Conyers,
Thank you very much for all of your good work, particularly for writing your letter questioning George Bush on the "Downing Street Memo". Please initiate a Resolution of Inquiry into this matter. We need it! Thank you!
Peace and blessings,
Timothy Baer

Comment #197: Stephen W said on 5/28/05 @ 11:37pm ET...

Hank Ramsey spewed hatred with:

"Freedom for all means freedom for ALL"

Who is discussing denial of freedom, ye of limited reading comprehension. I posted about us going out of our way to revere The Koran when anyone can burn a Bible for all I care. It's God they will deal with. Now burning a Koran is not a problem because as John Wesley Harding said, "God is not at odds with himself". The Moon God allah is a myth. The Koran in nothing more than a bastardization of previous religious writing. Aside from the mahem, there is literally not an original thought in it.

"...and this bull shit about being a Christian country..."

Sorry, but this country was based on JudeoChristian values and the framers prayed to that God, not the one who is never called a god of love in the Koran. The prayed to the only true God, for guidance and we received it and formed our great nation. Have you seen any great nations formed under the fascism of the Koran? Learn your history.

"..sorry, everybody can worship whatever as he or she pleases."

That's fine by me. Just don't tell my doctor he should place a prayer rug in his office to be toolllllerant to the mooslems, and other assorted ignorances.

And the headresses they wear should be outlawed. They are a sign of slavery and not even of the Koran.

"It is these idiotic paid preachers who take purse and script everyday on TV FOR WHAT? To dumbify America?"

You've already been "dummified" ...too late. And most of those preachers have no flock. They are the Ron Popeil of religious hucksters.

This is my first political blog I've posted to. I can see that this is going to be fun to see the real intolerance of the left. Your patriotism of Marxism is evident.

"Re-read the King James Version of the Bible. The Lord never called for a holy war."

Now that comment needs some explaining. Who declared a "holy war", although I wouldn't mind if every mooslem was converted away from their fascists teaching that have caused 15 of 15 wars on the globe today. I guess you don't know that the Koran commands that the entire world be converted to Islam by the sword.

Far too large a number of immigrants are entering America and not assimilating to our culture. They are bringing theirs and spreading theirs. Our government is letting us down and failing the oath they took to defend us as they beg for more funding, even from bloggers.

Now, would you like your prayer rug in red, yellow, or orange?

Comment #198: Timothy Baer My Soul said on 5/28/05 @ 11:37pm ET...

Congressman and fellow liberal Conyers,
Thank you very much for all of your efforts to undermine the current administration, particularly for writing your letter questioning George Bush on the "Downing Street Memo". We know it is bullsh*t, but hey, we'll take what we can get. Please don't initiate a Resolution of Inquiry into this matter. It will make you look stupid. We don't need any help in that department!! Screw America Please And Thank you!
Peace in the name of Satan's Minions and blessings from all that is darkness,
Timothy Baer My Soul

Comment #199: Jack said on 5/28/05 @ 11:42pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers;

I am a voting veteran .I wish to thank you for what you are doing to bring to justice the propaganda that is going on in the American media! I have been very disheartened by all the lies in the media. For the first time in my life I do not trust the media in any form and have had to resort to the internet for my news. As was said tonight on c span during your media forum the Democratic party as a whole has been lying down without a fight.

Please continue to fight and be willing to do what it takes to get the job done. No more Mr. Nice guy! The American public is only hearing the lies from a source that we have come to rely on as the truth. Too many still do
not know they're being led astray by an administration that publicly will denounce any media outlet trying to say the truth. (Newsweek,Dan Rather ETC)

I am not asking you to fight fire with fire just to see that the truth is told. I have attached two quotes from the movie "The American President" that I feel covers the problem in the Democratic party today!

Memorable Quotes from
The American President

Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Bob Rumson is the only one doing the talking! People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the
desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.

Comment #200: Emily said on 5/28/05 @ 11:43pm ET...

I know I said earlier I had my last post in this thread but I had to come back to say this. I think it's really sad of all the hate on this thread towards Mr. Conyers and liberals/democrats. You can come to this blog and be rude, hatefilled, wish democrats/liberals dead, wish our rights were taken away, say racists remarks, claim you're more of a Christian then a democrat/liberal because you're conservative etc. but you know what? None of that will matter. You can say those things all you want. You can wish us dead all you want, but it's never going to make us go away. We live here too. We want our country to be the best it can be and progress. Our country deserves to have better health care and everybody covered (there are still 45 million without), better economy, a better public education system for the children, protect our boarders (which are still open by the way) and to have a president who you can trust and be honest with you about foreign affairs. I know you'll say "well Clinton lied too" but when he lied nobody died, our economy wasn't in debt and owned by China. We weren't hated around the world. When 9/11 happened the whole world was one. It was really beautiful. Now we're all a lone in the world. Sure, rightwingers can say you don't care but what will happen when/if we're in another war? Who will send their troops? Who will help us fight? What will happen with our debt if another war starts? Even though you on the right may hate and demonize democrats/liberals it won't matter. We'll always stand up for what is right and that is the Bill of Rights and Constiution. We'll even stand up for you even if we don't like each other. Future generations deserve it. So sure, go ahead and come to this blog. Demonize Mr. Conyers and all of us. It won't make any difference if you waste your time here. It is your life after all and you can do whatever you want. Before I finish this post I will say this. If Mr. Bush really did win the last election why is his raiting only at 42% approved? Wouldn't his rating approval be at least around 50%? Why on every issue that has had a poll since the election have people sided with the democrats? Why does Congress have the lowest raitings since the Vietnam era? Why does Bush only have a 39% raiting when it comes to the economy? When Clinton left office he had a 60% raiting. This was after Monica Lewinsky and the Whitewater ordeal. Clinton today is still a popular president here at home and over seas. So wouldn't Bush be more popular at least here at home? And finally Benjamin Franklin had this to say. He said if you give up your freedoms for a sense of security you deserve neither. So, again, go ahead and demonize Mr. Conyers and other democrats/libreals. We'll always stand up for what is right whether you agree or disagree with us as people. That's all I wanted to say. Stay strong Mr. Conyers and know you're never a lone in this fight!

Comment #201: John Simpson said on 5/28/05 @ 11:45pm ET...

The hate-mongers have already won. I see little hope, even with the courageous help of Rep. Conyers, that we can turn the country around, but the pinheads are all up in arms just the same. They are tools of an agenda that cares as little for them as for anybody else without ten million dollars.

They think that this is professional sports. They'll paint themselves red and shout down fans of the other team, and pat themselves on the back at each "victory" for "their" side--while their corporate masters laugh and laugh.

Comment #202: Patriot Acts said on 5/28/05 @ 11:57pm ET...

Thank you Congressman!!!!!

Hey Hank R. good to see you... keep up the good work.

www.awolbush.com

Freeper,

At the Naval Academy graduation the other day, the only point in that
speech when Bush got applause was when he mentioned the Navy football
team. The rest of the time it sounded like there were about TWO
people clapping... and he had to pause for an uncomfortable amount
of time before those two people began clapping (out of sympathy, I
guess). Not quiet like those handpicked military photo Ops or
the "town hall meetings".

Comment #203: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 12:01am ET...

�We Sleep Safe In Our Beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those that would do us harm.�

Comment #204: Irish 4 Ever said on 5/29/05 @ 12:02am ET...

Congressman Conyers,

My Irish family came here in the mid 1800. We were persecuted. We saw signs that stated "NINA" which meant "No Irish Need Apply".
This has stigmatized my family and left us hungry many nights. I demand rape-a-nations be paid to me just as the blacks do. Please add them to your study. I want my money. We were here. The blacks that are arriving from other nations that were not here are entitled to nothing yet I didn't read them being excluded from your bill.

Comment #205: mopaul said on 5/29/05 @ 12:03am ET...

Guns don't kill people.

Abortion clinics kill people.

Comment #206: Head Troll said on 5/29/05 @ 12:09am ET...

I know I said earlier I had my last post in this thread but I had to come back to say this. I think it's really sad of all the hate on this thread towards Mr. Conyers and liberals/democrats. You can come to this blog and be rude, hatefilled, wish democrats/liberals dead, wish our rights were taken away, say racists remarks, claim you're more of a Christian then a democrat/liberal because you're conservative etc. but you know what? None of that will matter. You can say those things all you want. You can wish us dead all you want, but it's never going to make us go away. We live here too. We want our country to be the best it can be and progress. Our country deserves to have better health care and everybody covered (there are still 45 million without), better economy, a better public education system for the children, protect our boarders (which are still open by the way) and to have a president who you can trust and be honest with you about foreign affairs. I know you'll say "well Clinton lied too" but when he lied nobody died, our economy wasn't in debt and owned by China. We weren't hated around the world. When 9/11 happened the whole world was one. It was really beautiful. Now we're all a lone in the world. Sure, rightwingers can say you don't care but what will happen when/if we're in another war? Who will send their troops? Who will help us fight? What will happen with our debt if another war starts? Even though you on the right may hate and demonize democrats/liberals it won't matter. We'll always stand up for what is right and that is the Bill of Rights and Constiution. We'll even stand up for you even if we don't like each other. Future generations deserve it. So sure, go ahead and come to this blog. Demonize Mr. Conyers and all of us. It won't make any difference if you waste your time here. It is your life after all and you can do whatever you want. Before I finish this post I will say this. If Mr. Bush really did win the last election why is his raiting only at 42% approved? Wouldn't his rating approval be at least around 50%? Why on every issue that has had a poll since the election have people sided with the democrats? Why does Congress have the lowest raitings since the Vietnam era? Why does Bush only have a 39% raiting when it comes to the economy? When Clinton left office he had a 60% raiting. This was after Monica Lewinsky and the Whitewater ordeal. Clinton today is still a popular president here at home and over seas. So wouldn't Bush be more popular at least here at home? And finally Benjamin Franklin had this to say. He said if you give up your freedoms for a sense of security you deserve neither. So, again, go ahead and demonize Mr. Conyers and other democrats/libreals. We'll always stand up for what is right whether you agree or disagree with us as people. That's all I wanted to say. Stay strong Mr. Conyers and know you're never a lone in this fight!

Whenever liberal invoke the "hate" word, you know they have lost the debate. If I were a liberal I would assign "emily" to some post that doesn't embarrass us too much. Maybe satan's receptionist? Even satan wants a "people person" out front.

2009! President George W. Bush will be President until 2009. Focus liberals, focus.

Comment #207: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 12:10am ET...

Toast, like who? Bush! Yeah, we stand ready to visit the violence of Bush that does harm to the American people...

Bush WILL be impeached!

Comment #208: Julia said on 5/29/05 @ 12:13am ET...

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for protecting us against those individuals in this country who whould rather see us all in hell because we have decided to defend our rights to a just and gracious government with freedom for all, in religion, speech, etc. We love you out here in American, you are our American hero, it is my honor to donate to your re-election. I do not even what to think of this government without you in it, we would be lost ......... my prays are with you sir.

Comment #209: Does bold work? said on 5/29/05 @ 12:21am ET...

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Comment #210: Head troll said on 5/29/05 @ 12:22am ET...

"Julia" has seen the light! Glory be to satan! Speaking in tongues! my prayers are with HER.

Comment #211: Does bold work? said on 5/29/05 @ 12:22am ET...

Guess it doesn't

Comment #212: Does bold work? said on 5/29/05 @ 12:22am ET...

Oops, nevermind.

Comment #213: What about italics? said on 5/29/05 @ 12:23am ET...

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Comment #214: Head Troll said on 5/29/05 @ 12:24am ET...

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You must be a Conyers supporter.

Comment #215: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 12:28am ET...

Comment #247: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 12:10am ET...

Toast, like who? Bush! Yeah, we stand ready to visit the violence of Bush that does harm to the American people...
----------------------------------
uhh you don't know which rough men stand ready to visit violence on those that would do us harm?

Comment #216: Legal Mind said on 5/29/05 @ 12:31am ET...

Emily sent Tabath for more batteries and wrote:

"Our country deserves to have better health care and everybody covered"

Emily, where in the Constitution does it provide that the government mandate free health care for everyone? Do you know that this country did a lot better when Churches and Charity Organizations took care of those without insurance?

""..better economy"

First 40 years of drunken spening by democrats and now Bush adding to it does not a better economy make. STOP GIVING MONEY AWAY LIKE A SOCIALIST!!!!

"..a better public education system for the children..."

I agree and I want the teachers associations that grant tenue to lousy teachers shut down. Oh, and take "Heather Has Two Mommies" out of the classroom. It's disgusting.

"..and to have a president who you can trust and be honest with you about foreign affairs. I know you'll say "well Clinton lied too" but when he lied nobody died, our economy wasn't in debt and owned by China."

Emily, you were almost making sense. Clinton was a pathological liar. A blazing lie was his saying that no missile was targeting us when even the older ones could be reprogrammed in mere hours.

As to dying, well, let's see. We were on the wrong side in Kosovo AND not a word was said about the 2,000 civilans killed as Clinto put NATO insignia on US jets.

Also, for campaign contributions, and the threat of losing them from Bernard Swartz of Loral, Clinton allowed the transfer of technology to Chian. Both Janet Reno, Louis Freeh, and all other cabinet members said "don't do it". Clinton helped our communist enemy move 15-20 years ahead in its ability to deliver a nuclear payload to a city in the US. They couldn't get a rocket in space. Now, it's coming to be that Iran and N. Korea likely will be receiving that technology. Sorry to ruin your night's sleep with that fact. We live in a more dangerous world that we ever did and its thanks to Bill Clinton.

"e weren't hated around the world. When 9/11 happened the whole world was one."

You're right. We should be feared instead.

"It was really beautiful. Now we're all a lone in the world."

Mungo has tear in eye for Emily's halcyon days.

"Sure, rightwingers can say you don't care but what will happen when/if we're in another war?"

We'll be screwed as America is weak due to liberals.

"Who will send their troops? Who will help us fight?"

No one. And that's not because of the Iraq war. In fact, had France, Germany, China, and Russia not sold us out for a few billion each we might have had even the corrupt UN help us. But France, China, and Russia having veto powers at the UN, we've always been alone.

And another thing, since Hollywood actors have made a profession out of slamming America, as opposed to even the biggest of actors - excpet John Wayne - enlisting in WWII, we have been made to look bad. There should be sedition laws and they should be tried for sedition. Although I think I'd put Isikoff up there first for trial with Michael Moore second.

"What will happen with our debt if another war starts?"

It will go even higher. But since the liberals have made many in America pansies, we'll likely lose and the dollar will collapse. Thanks Liberals!

"Even though you on the right may hate and demonize democrats/liberals it won't matter."

We don't hate you. We want you to seek treatment.

"We'll always stand up for what is right and that is the Bill of Rights and Constiution. We'll even stand up for you even if we don't like each other."

Oh sure, just like you are standing up against our enemies now and still calling for nuclear disarmament. You can't run away from your history.

Emily, you told us

"..protect our boarders (which are still open by the way)"

Here, Here Emily! But the R's want cheap labor and the D's want votes.

Speaking of "protection", Emily, you told us "F all you republicans". I can't F myself. What do you look like. Maybe I'll want to F you?

Was that offensive? Well, maybe then you shouldn't tell all republicans to go F themselves.

Comment #217: Head troll said on 5/29/05 @ 12:39am ET...

I'm going to bed..but I'll be back to re-write any liberal drivel that catches my eye. It is too easy.

Liberals are more fun than watching my Boston Terrier fart in his sleep (he always changes positions).

Rep. Conyers, if you are reading this: Get out of the business. You do look like another tool of the Soros camp.

Comment #218: Legal Mind said on 5/29/05 @ 12:43am ET...

OhioDem1 wrote:

"This is an unconstitutional attempt to break down the wall between church and state."

Can you tell us where in the Constitution it states that there is to be a wall of seperation between Church and State?

I have my Constitution right here and I await your reply.

Comment #219: Bill Clinton For The Damages said on 5/29/05 @ 12:51am ET...

That "Wall of Separation of State and Our Churches" is a fabrication of especial use to the democrats, liberals and other anti-God and anti-American incubus. If it separates people from God's Graces, the liberals will line up in a Conga line to promote it. The fact that it is not in any documents regarding our existense is secondary to the need for it to be. It is anti-God, and that's all they need to hear.

Comment #220: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 12:55am ET...

Unless it offends a Muslim, then they're on board.

Comment #221: Head Troll said on 5/29/05 @ 1:06am ET...

I believe the liberals and other anti-Christians think they are winning favor with the murderous Islamomaniacs so they won't be treated like other westerners when they finally overtake us. Liberals always think they are the one individual the will be exempt from the process.

It never dawns on them that their beloved homosexuals will be the first heads on a stick. Then Barbra Streisand because she is a Jew, and then the rest of their immoral asses that think liberalism is the key to being loved by murderous animals and their Religion of Peace.

I'd rather go down being honest in my love for Jesus than be slaughtered by my "friends" who used me. But liberals aren't known for their insight.

Comment #222: Will said on 5/29/05 @ 1:07am ET...

I know I said earlier I had my last post in this thread but I had to come back to say this.

If you decided to change your mind about coming back, I would assume you have something really constructive to say. But, a quick glance at the rest of your post does not confirm that assumption. Let's break it down.

I think it's really sad of all the hate on this thread towards Mr. Conyers and liberals/democrats.

Oh, and like you aren't expressing hatred towards Bush and conservatives/Republicans.

You can come to this blog and be rude, hatefilled, wish democrats/liberals dead, wish our rights were taken away, say racists remarks, claim you're more of a Christian then a democrat/liberal because you're conservative etc.

Why don't you get Rep. Conyers to remove our posts then? Maybe he believes in free speech, unlike $kinner at DU.

but you know what? None of that will matter. You can say those things all you want. You can wish us dead all you want, but it's never going to make us go away. We live here too.

I personally never wished you dead, but I'm sure the people who did know quite well that you aren't going to go away, unfortunately. Why state the obvious?

We want our country to be the best it can be and progress.

Then why do you embrace liberalism?

Our country deserves to have better health care and everybody covered (there are still 45 million without),

Last time I read the constitution, it did not state that citizens have a right to health care. But, you must realize that you have not presented a plan for your goal of retaining our superior health care while simultaneously covering everyone.

In Europe and Canada, everyone gets covered. However, their health care system is not nearly as efficient as ours. That's why the wealthy Europeans and Canadians often come over here for health care. We know that nationalizing healthcare will make the system worse, so liberals need to come up with a plan that covers everyone and keeps our system as good as it is.

better economy,

We're going through a recession right now. Instead of complaining, now is a good time to invest money, as things are cheaper, and their prices will go up once the boom comes along again.

a better public education system for the children,

As a student, I definitely support a stronger public education system. Niether the Democrats or Republicans are strengthening it. The Democrats wrongfully believe that giving power to the teacher's union will boost education, while the Republicans just don't give a damn. That's why I plan to run for Seattle School Board as soon as I'm old enough. But that's another story...

protect our boarders (which are still open by the way)

Yes, this is my biggest issue with Bush. Not only are illegal scum destroying our country, but if a terrorist snuck through the border and killed some Americans, that would be the end of the Republican Party for a generation. If a Democrat supported closing off our borders I would be quite tempted to vote for them.

and to have a president who you can trust and be honest with you about foreign affairs.

Yeah, right. I don't believe we've ever had a trustworthy president, nor will we ever. Expecting politicians to be trustworthy is foolish.

I know you'll say "well Clinton lied too" but when he lied nobody died,

As an American, I was rather embarressed by what he did, but you're right, his lies didn't kill anyone. However, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ all campaigned as anti-war presidents, and all of them got us into wars, so people did die as a result of their lives (although in two of the three cases it was most certainly justified).

our economy wasn't in debt and owned by China.

I'm sorry that Bush didn't raise taxes during this time of war. However, Kerry wasn't going to either (except repeal the tax cut to the wealthy), and he voted for all of the instances that got us into debt. Again, this is another big issue that Democrats could take a lot more advantage of.

We weren't hated around the world. When 9/11 happened the whole world was one. It was really beautiful. Now we're all a lone in the world.

The world was never united as one. Sure, you can find pictures in most countries around the world of people expressing sorrow over 9/11, but you can see pictures of hundreds of thousands of Muslims cheering when 9/11 happened. They must all be prevented from having WMDs, or eliminated all together. If the US has to make some unpopular decisions to protect itself, so be it.

Sure, rightwingers can say you don't care but what will happen when/if we're in another war? Who will send their troops? Who will help us fight?

We aren't going to be in another war, unless taxes are drastically raised, and a draft is instituted. And if a draft is instituted, enough of the population will flee to Canada. Since we know there won't be a tax increase and we know there won't be a draft, we can conclude that there won't be another war, unless it simply involves a few nukes.

What will happen with our debt if another war starts?

Again, we can't and won't increase the debt any more significantly. There won't be another war like this for a long time.

Even though you on the right may hate and demonize democrats/liberals it won't matter.

Unfortunately, you're right (or, left, I should say),

We'll always stand up for what is right and that is the Bill of Rights and Constiution.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights can be interpreted in many ways. Being pro-choice and pro-gay rights on the basis of Constitutionality doesn't mean standing up for the Constitution; it means twisting it to promote your radical agenda.

We'll even stand up for you even if we don't like each other. Future generations deserve it.

Well that's good. I like a fight.

So sure, go ahead and come to this blog. Demonize Mr. Conyers and all of us. It won't make any difference if you waste your time here. It is your life after all and you can do whatever you want.

Please, don't encourage me to come here. I should be working on a paper instead...

Before I finish this post I will say this. If Mr. Bush really did win the last election why is his raiting only at 42% approved? Wouldn't his rating approval be at least around 50%?

I do not approve of George Bush. There are many things I find wrong with him. Unfortunately, our political system forces us to vote for one of two candidates (since third party candidates can't win), and many people, such as myself, found Bush better than Kerry. So, I voted for him while not approving of him, as did many people.

Why on every issue that has had a poll since the election have people sided with the democrats?

Show me proof of this.

Why does Congress have the lowest raitings since the Vietnam era?

Because the Democrats had no visible platform in the elections, as many people, including James Carvelle, admitted. Thus, people viewed the Republicans as the lesser of the two evils and voted for them.

Why does Bush only have a 39% raiting when it comes to the economy?

Because it's a recession.

When Clinton left office he had a 60% raiting. This was after Monica Lewinsky and the Whitewater ordeal. Clinton today is still a popular president here at home and over seas.

Clinton has a lot of charm, and Americans are ultimately more concerned with whether they have a job then whether the president can keep his dick in his pants. I never had any problem with the guy; when you think about, there was nothing drastically liberal that he did.

So wouldn't Bush be more popular at least here at home?

No. Bush is leading the country in the time of a recession, in a war in which progress is not apparent, and he lacks any charm.

And finally Benjamin Franklin had this to say. He said if you give up your freedoms for a sense of security you deserve neither.

There are actually at least five different versions of this quote attributed to him. No one knows which is correct, but he was implying that those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve niether. Allowing the government to monitor you more closely is not giving up "essential liberty." As long as you don't commit crimes you don't have to worry about the government watching you.

So, again, go ahead and demonize Mr. Conyers and other democrats/libreals. We'll always stand up for what is right whether you agree or disagree with us as people. That's all I wanted to say. Stay strong Mr. Conyers and know you're never a lone in this fight!

Good luck in getting the election overturned (you'll need a lot of good luck for that to happen).

2009! President George W. Bush will be President until 2009. Focus liberals, focus.

But you seem to be focusing on declaring his presidency illegitimate instead of focusing on getting a Democrat to suceed him.

Comment #223: . said on 5/29/05 @ 1:09am ET...

What Went Wrong In Ohio:
The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election
Introduction by Gore Vidal
Edited by Anita Miller
Category: Politics/Current Affairs
Format: Trade paperback, 160pp, 5 1/2 x 8 1/2
ISBN: 0-89733-535-x
Price: $10.95


About the Book
This fascinating and disturbing book is the official record of testimony taken by the Democratic Members and Staff of the House Judiciary Committee, presided over by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member. Originally released in January, 2005 by the Committee and now available in print for the first time.

Witnesses included both Republicans and Democrats, elected officials, voting machine company employees, poll observers, and many voters who testified about the harassment they endured, some of which led to actual vote repression.

While shreds of the electoral chaos in Ohio were reported in the press, the issue soon faded from public view. What Went Wrong In Ohio provides new insights into the abuse and manipulation of electronic voting machines and the arbitrary and illegal behavior of a number of elected and election officials which effectively disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in order to change the outcome of an election.

Reviews
�I urge every American citizen to recognize that the integrity of our electoral process is at stake. We must face the hard truth that the system in its present form is too easily subverted. We must address this continuing erosion so that, in Abraham Lincoln�s immortal words, �government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.� What Went Wrong in Ohio should be required reading for all who believe the right to vote is fundamental to freedom and the spirit of democracy.� �Bob Kerrey, President, New School University

�The only relevant civics lesson to emerge from the swindle that was last year�s presidential election. Any citizen who neglects to read it does so at his or her peril.��Lewis Lapham, Harper�s Magazine

�An entirely new kind of �how to� book: a �how to steal an election� book. Forget Denmark�there was something infinitely more rotten in Ohio, where GOP election mechanics, not content to let the Supreme Court declare him president a second time, did all they could to help George W. Bush once more hijack the highest office in the land. John Conyers deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor�if there is even a shred of it left in that once noble institution.��Larry Gelbart, Writer

Comment #224: Mr Happy said on 5/29/05 @ 1:26am ET...

http://www.clownposse.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4427

hehe.

Comment #225: Mr Happy said on 5/29/05 @ 1:42am ET...

Bob "boober" J. Glorious leader of the freeps.

http://www.amazing.com/politics/freeping/2003-06-29/2003-06-29-Images/41.jpg

In full battle gear!

Hee hee.

No surprise that people who'd be ordered about by a turd in an elf costume would post up the dumbshit flamebait seen above.

Don't get steamed up. These freepsheep are dumb. Dumb as rocks. Not worth your time.

Comment #226: My Fellow Americans said on 5/29/05 @ 1:49am ET...

What Went Wrong In Ohio: Or How Ohio Became The Focus Because It Happened To Be The Last State Called
The ConyersRidiculous and Partisan Report on the 2004 Presidential Election
Introduction by Gore Vidal (So Hide Your Sons)
Edited by Anita Miller (Who Still Thinks She Is Important)
Category: Wishful Thinking About Politics/Current Affairs
Format: Trade paperback, 160pp, 5 1/2 x 8 1/2
ISBN: 0-89733-535-x
Price: $10.95 or a Promise to Promote Paris Hilton

About the Book
This disturbing book is the official record of testimony taken by the Democratic Members and Staff of the House Judiciary Committee (all biased against the President of The United States of America, Georgw W. Bush), presided over by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member, who is affectionally known as "Kitty Kelly" around the House). Originally released in January, 2005 by the Committee and now available in print for the first time, but not the last!

Witnesses included both Republicans, who claim to be republicans but are really primetime American hating prols, and Democrats (no explaination necessary), elected officials (from someplace like the San Francisco Riviera), voting machine company employees ( bought and paid for, the twerps), poll observers (who never swore to anything but to insist there was a clear majority for John Kerry), and many voters who testified about the harassment they endured, (all of them staunch Republicans), some of which led to actual vote repression (their buzz wore off).

While shreds of the electoral chaos manufactured by the democrats in Ohio were reported in the press (or as we say in the business, YOUR HEAD), the issue soon faded from public view due to lack of evidence or public concern. What Went Wrong In Ohio provides the same old insights into the wishful thinking about the electronic voting machines and the arbitrary (to the loser) and responsible behavior of a number of elected and election officials that would not bend to the democrats's will. This effectively disenfranchised all efforts to once again steal an election and put a democrat in office when in actuality he or she had never been elected (see washingtonstategovscam.net).

Reviews
�I urge every anti-American citizen to recognize that the integrity of our ability to cheat and steal is at stake. We must face the hard truth that the system in its present form is too easily "caught" by normal people. We must address this continuing and frustrating ability of normal people to catch us in our scams. Iin Abraham Lincoln�s immortal words, "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth, unless you idiots give in and let liberals rule the day." What Went Wrong in Ohio should be required reading for all who believe that liberals lie like the dogs they are. The right to vote is fundamental to freedom and the spirit of democracy, so don't fall for liberals desires to destroy this country. PLEASE! I BEG YOU!.� �Bob Kerrey, President, New School University

�The only relevant civics lesson to emerge from the swindle that was last year�s presidential election is that democrats have to learn new ways to steal elections. Washington State tells us there is something terribly wrong with our process. Hell's bells. We've been caught there. Dammit! Any democrat who neglects to read it does so at his or her peril. We have to learn something new to steal election effectively��Lewis Lapham, Harper�s Magazine

�An entirely new kind of �how to� book: a �how to steal an election� book. Forget Florida�there was something infinitely more rotten in Washington State, where democrat election mechanics, not content to let the process maybe make them lose the election, declared What's-Her-face gov'nor of the state. John Conyers deserves the Congressional Medal of Stupid�since there are so many on the democrat side to pick from, it would be a very special honor.��Larry Gelbart, Writer

Comment #227: Mr Happy said on 5/29/05 @ 2:02am ET...

I Used To Be a Neocon

Two years ago I was a neocon. I supported Bush�s war on Iraq and I called everyone who didn�t a liberal Kool-aid drinker. I voted for Bush in 2000 and I listened to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and just about any right-winger on the radio that I could get a four-word talking point from to use against liberals. I would say things such as "liberals won�� defend America," "shut up and sing," "freedom is on the march," and "you�re a great American." I supported the war at first because I bought into the lies and propaganda.

I no longer do. I�m a recovering neocon.

The fact is, the neocon movement is a lot like a cult. I don�t remember how I got so involved and the details are hazy on how I got out. I just woke up one day and said "WTF!" and then ran outside to rip the "bring it on" sticker off of my car bumper. What pulled me in to the neocon cult however was a combination of American nationalism and group mentality. It was a time when questioning the government�s response to Iraq divided you between being with your country and government at a time of need, or against them. I wanted to be with them.

So this cult took me in and I watched Fox News, I bought Factor Gear and I was brainwashed into common reflexes for liberals and dissenters. When I heard dissent in the media over Iraq I�d call it liberal bias. If someone presented me any website that mentioned a "war for oil" or the phrase "illegal war" I would blow the site off as conspiracy hogwash. When someone would talk ill of the President and his march to war, I would call them a liberal and anti-American. When someone would say that Saddam was not a threat after I was done calling them part of the liberal "hate America" crowd, I would launch into a diatribe that Saddam was Hitler-like and hell bent on world domination. If someone persisted I would take out my wild card:

"Saddam believes he�s the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar, and he�s harboring Al Queda!"

I couldn�t believe these liberals. I was outraged. The audacity of them to question our President during a time of war! I listened to similar sentiments on right wing radio while driving to work to reinforce my belief.

Little did I know at the time, but I was an important part of the neocon movement. I was but a tiny wheel in the machine of neoconservatism, but the survival of the neocon agenda depends on millions of us tiny wheels, or it cannot go anywhere. Most of all the neocon agenda depends on a much bigger wheel, the media. For the neocon machine to roll, the big wheel of the media must pull the millions of tiny wheels without the tiny wheels knowing they are being pulled.

This is a difficult trick that requires the media to be an active participant in government deception. To imply that they do so knowingly would be too conspiratorial, and it would be too grand an operation to be plausible. In truth, the mainstream media doesn�t believe they are participating in lies.

During the build-up to the war they were being pulled without knowing it, by the engine of the U. S. government. This swarm of nationalism begat a pro-American media, a complacent media, a lapdog media and a corporate media that to this day will not inform the American public.

When the Bush Administration was found to be creating fake news propaganda for public consumption the media did not inform the public. When the Bush administration marched towards pre-emptive war with Iraq the media was a lapdog instead of a watchdog. When the Bush administration described the assault on the Iraqi public as Shock and Awe, the media used that phrase to scroll alongside the words "War on Terror" without questioning if the assault on Iraq had anything to do with terrorism. When the Bush Administration tore into the U. S. Constitution with the Patriot Act, causing the illegal imprisonment of American citizens while denying them counsel, the media acted more like a timid cocker spaniel than an aggressive Doberman pincher, and failed to defend a sacred American document. When the UK�s Downing Street memo implicated the Bush Administration as being hell bent on a pre-emptive invasion on Iraq before even going to the UN, the American media was silent and once again failed to inform the public.

But the tiny wheels still want to call the media liberal. The tiny wheels still want to say the media isn�t reporting the good things happening in Iraq. Most of all the tiny wheels do not know about the big wheel that�s pulling them. But now I do. That�s why I am an ex-neocon and I am in recovery. It�s more clear to me now than ever that the most American thing one can do is speak out against the actions of their country because it means you love your country.

And in the end it doesn�t matter if we are liberals or conservatives because all that matters is that we are on the side of the U.S. Constitution and of international law. Both of which have been thrown into the toilet by this administration. At least the Qur�an has company.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/oneill1.html

http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/1308350.htm

Comment #228: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 2:21am ET...

Nice cut and paste there, I've read that word for word before and I'm still not convinced it's a true story. :)

Comment #229: B.K.O'Brien said on 5/29/05 @ 2:45am ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers, I am a Black-American servicemember(U.S.Navy) and I am soon to be retired after 20 years of honorable service, I have served during two wars and I will be a disabled veteran after all is said and done, due to my wartime service. I am not a politician nor do I plan on being, I am just a serviceman. Like many others, before during and after me. I just want to say to others who have not served on active duty or found loopholes in the system to keep from serving, stop trampling on the freedoms that I an many others have spilled blood for. When I read things that are written out of hate and prejudice it lessens what I have done and many others. When I see things that say one minute I am an American not because of my skin color but because of my actions and then see and hear the racists comments that many say I wonder what was I thinking about defending this country?!?! When I see and hear people say we don't believe in leaving people out, but see things such as a man in Texas being dragged until his body disintergrates, I wonder what was I doing defending this country, when I see things such as votes not being counted in all parts of this country especially in the so called minority sections I truly wonder what was I doing defending this country. I am not fearful sir to die now, I have seen death and for whatever or whomever created me I am still here, what I fear is what I see happening in this country now, fear to speak out due to national security issues. Sir I tell all who are racists, bigots or just plan hateful, don't look down upon another due to his or her color or religion, that person probably saved your right to choose and to speak out.

Comment #230: A Patriot said on 5/29/05 @ 3:05am ET...

To the serviceman who posted:

Thank you for your service. It is greatly appreciated.

However, two points.

1 - you are an America who happens to be black. This absurd hypenization of American [which continues to divide us] has no place here. If you never heard the John Wayne speech on it, please do so. It is compelling for all Americans who love this country to stop it.

2 - The enemy we now fight, the Islamo-Fascists, are beggoten from a so-called religion which hates the West and is utterly incompatible with it. We cannot allow it to grab a foothold in America. If you look at Europe you will see how they have overun many nations that were kindly to the downtrodden, only to have surrended their nation and their culture as those coming in decidedly do not assimilate. That is not a bigoted comment. That is a demographic and sociologic observation based in reality.

15 major conflict on the globe. All involve muslims killing Christians and/or other muslims they don't deem to be religious enough.
The Constitution that you so proudly defend is not a suicide pact. And we have little time to convince the left in America that we must defend our Borders, our Language, and our Culture. If we don't, then you and your bretheren did indeed fight and die in vain because the fat, dumb, and lazy in America slept while you were hard at work.

For a l;ook at our problems in LA, click the link below. That we are not sending men like you in to break up these acts of sedition does not speak of our tolerance. It speaks of our weakness and foolishness as even in America, some hispanics are calling for European to leave and for the Southwest states to be ceded to Mexico. They chant: Por La Raza Todo, Fuera de La Raza Nada: for the race everything; outside the race, nothing."
We have Nazis in America. They are of the group LaRaza. The LAPD fears dealing with them.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44501

Comment #231: Mr. unHappy said on 5/29/05 @ 3:30am ET...

I Used To Be a Neocon (or I hope you Believe I was anyway)

Two years ago I was gonna tell this lie about being a a neocon, but I am really inspired today, so here goes: I supported President George W. Bush�s war on Iraq and I called everyone who didn�t a liberal. I pretended that I voted for Bush in 2000 and I listened to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and just about any right-winger on the radio that I could get a four-word talking point from to use against liberals ( a statement that totally invalidates my rant here, because in reality, these are some of the smartest people in America.). I would say things such as "liberals won�� defend America, (???) "shut up and sing (Good advise to everyone except old out-of-tune liberals like Barbra Steisand)," "freedom is on the march," (freedom from what? Liberal lies?) and "you�re a great American." I supported the war at first because I wasn't on dope. Then I started smoking and bought into the lies and propaganda of the liberal left.

I no longer do free dope! I�m a recovering recoverer.

The fact is, the Liberal movement is a lot like a cult. I don�t remember how I got so hooked on dope, and the details are hazy on how I realized liberals are idiots. I just woke up one day and said "WTF!" and then ran outside to rip the "I Love Naked Boys" sticker off of my car bumper. What pulled me out of the liberal cult however was a combination of American nationalism and getting off dope. It was a time when questioning the liberal's response to Iraq divided you between being with your country and government at a time of need, or against them. I wanted to be on the good side. I could not imagine being loaded feet first into a shredder. That is a horrifying thought to say the least. Saddam is satan on earth to me.

So I bucked this cult that took me in and I watched FOX News, I soon learned that news was not controlled by liberals and dissenters. When I heard dissent in the media over Iraq I�d call it liberal bias, knowing damn good and well it was. If someone presented me any website that mentioned a "war for oil" or the phrase "illegal war" I would blow the site off as conspiracy hogwash because I now know the truth. When someone would talk ill of the President and his march to war, I would call them a liberal and anti-American. When someone would say that Saddam was not a threat, I would pause and reflect on all the lives he took for his pleasure. After I was done reflecting, I was ready to call all liberals a "hate America" crowd'. Who wouldn't? I soon learned ro launch into a truth session that Saddam was Hitler-like and hell bent on world domination. If some willfully ignorant liberal persisted, I would take out my wild card:

"WHY IN THE WORLD DID CLINTON IGNOR THE THREAT?????""

I couldn�t believe these stupid immoral liberals. I was outraged. I soon learned that they would all question our wonderful President George W. Bush during a time of war! I listened to similar sentiments on the radio while driving and could hear others that understand the truth like I do.

Little did I know at the time of me smarting-up, but I was an important part of the conservative movement. I was but a tiny wheel in the machine of conservatism, but the survival of the truth and it's agenda depends on millions of us tiny wheels, or it cannot go anywhere except back to the truth. Most of all the truth's agenda depends on a much bigger wheel, the folks that take down and ridicule the liberal media. For the Liberal machine to roll, their tiny wheels inside of the media must pull the tens of tiny wheels that still believe them and without the tiny wheels knowing they are being pulled, or their entire media thing dies a brown death.

For the media, like the joke known as CBS, This is a difficult trick that requires the media to be consistantly an active participant in bringing down the administration of President George W. Bush.. To imply that they do so knowingly would be too conspiratorial, and it would be too grand an operation to be plausible. In truth, the mainstream media does so with gusto. Most of them have no idea their day is over.

During the build-up to the war they circled their wagons and decided before the first shot was fired that this would be a failure. It had to embarrass President George W. Bush, and it didn't matter if they all had to be banned from the airways in the process. This tone of anti-Americanism resounded around the world. The US media had accomplished their goal. Or at least they thought, until election day 2004. That's when all Hell Broke Loose and all bets were off! How dare the USA re-elect the very guy the media despised!.

When the Bush Administration was hoped to be creating fake news propaganda for public consumption, the liberal media was not quick to jump this time. President George W. Bush had out-smarted them too many times. It was getting embarrassing to keep calling such marcheda brilliant man that defeats you at ever turn a "chimp". Even white trailer trash will figure out who is reallt the "chimp". When the Bush administration made such a strong case to continue the 1991 war with Iraq, the media was dumbfounded and mindlessly drooling instead of being in their usual attack dog mode. Such clarity was too much for them to spin real quick. When the Bush administration described the assault on the Iraqi public as Shock and Awe, the media used that phrase to scroll alongside the words "War on Terror", not having a clue what it meant in a military sense. The media knew better than make a question as to rather the assault on Iraq had anything to do with terrorism They knew the public was too smart for theoir propaganda.

When the Bush Administration did what it was called upon to do with the Patriot Act, causing the necessary imprisonment of American citizens while denying them counsel, just like Roosevelt did many years ago, the media finally took off and acted more like the antri-American force they wish to be, and failed to defend a a noble and Rightous American President that has never spewed semen across the oval office carpet, sink or whatever the taxpayers paid for to have Presidential sperm sprayed on it. When the UK�s Downing Street memo showcased the wise moves of the Bush Administration and showed how it was a logical decision to use the military to end a threat to all, instead of just waking up one morning and saying, "Gee, I think we will invade Iraq today!" Liberals decided any intelligentr discussion of the events to follow was a "got" of our wonferful President George W. Bush.

But the tiny minds of liberals with broken wheels still want to call our wonderful President George W. Bush something other than what he is. that's typical for liberals. They can only exist as long as their lies are belived. The tiny minds still want the media to slam our wonderful President George W. Bush. Most of all the tiny liberal minds do not know about the big wheel that�s pulling them towards their evil cause. If they were that smart, liberalism would be dead.

That�s why I am an trying to make you think I an now a liberal when I use to be a profound conservative. It is just another lie that we liberals use all the time, but know one falls foe, so I don't know why we do it. We all really know no conservative ever became a liberal. One must lie at some point to make that point. It�s more clear to me now than ever that the most American thing one can do is speak out against liberalism and vote to have liberals re-educated in a special camp.

And in the end it does matter if we are liberals or conservatives because to consevatives all that matters is the U.S. Constitution, and to liberals all that matters is international law.One of which needs to be thrown into the toilet by this wonderful administration and all thinking normal people. At least the Qur�an makes good pig slop if it has enough pig urine on it and sets for a few days in the sun. Pigs, and islamomaniacs, love the smell of urine.

Comment #232: Randy said on 5/29/05 @ 3:34am ET...

When Clinton lied, no one died.

Comment #233: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 3:44am ET...

"This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there ... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

~Richard Perle

quoted in the New Statesman 12/16/2002

Comment #234: Abortion Survivor (yeah, Right!) said on 5/29/05 @ 3:47am ET...

When President George W. Bush woke the world to the facts of dictorial maniacs, some people gave their lives for the cause. Some American would love the chance to die because of Clinton's indifference or because of President George W. Bush's determination to do what is right. It would mean they lived a life. But they can't. They were killed by their mothers while still in the womb. Why don't they matter to liberals?

My Mom had thrills , but I was killed.

Comment #235: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 4:09am ET...

Stay the hell out of my belly and home (esp. my bedroom) you creepy Republitards!

Comment #236: Second Shift-Here All Night said on 5/29/05 @ 4:17am ET...

Then don't claim some great holier-than-thou crap about war casualties, as liberals often do, You immoral slime pit of a sperm depository. You are probably a male anyway. So the same goes for your anus.

And Above All...Save the kids!!!

My mom had thrills, but I was killed.

Comment #237: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 4:20am ET...

"My Mom had thrills , but I was killed."

I'm sure your mother could have been a very loose woman, although...

We are not talking about a pack of whores.... and abortion is not a favorite pastime of liberals. It is a VERY difficult decision that is not taken lightly... and in some cases it's about health issues (for example: mother died giving birth to a dead baby... instead I would rather abort something that is not yet born to keep my wife alive). I would argue that MORE conservative republitard women seceretly get them anyway.

Comment #238: Here All Night said on 5/29/05 @ 4:31am ET...

A dead soldier in Iqaq decided to abort himself for a humane cause. That's a claim 3.5 million aborted Americans will never get to decide for themselves. Their Mommies killed them them before they had a chance to know her or the world.

I suppose abortion is a humane way to die. It would be better than the feet-first shredder treatment while maniacs laugh while you scream.

No one hears an aborted kid scream, especially liberals. Poor baby.

My mom had thrills, but I was killed.

Comment #239: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 4:34am ET...

Lets take another look at this...

Pay close attention please, I know it may be hard for some of you to do (note: don't forget to take you Ritalin if needed, and no don't snort 'em, I know republitards like to do that)

"This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there ... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

~Richard Perle (quoted in the New Statesman 12/16/2002)

*** The term "total war" was also introduced by Josef Goebbels in 1943, it might be one of the most well-known remarks in the history of mankind.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb36.htm

Bush and the PNAC crew have got to go... Impeach Bush! ...oh yeah, it WILL happen!

Comment #240: Here All night said on 5/29/05 @ 4:40am ET...

Nice Try, but you and I are grownups and we know what you are trying to sell is first-class bullsh*t. What disappoints me is that you would even offer such a lame and libtard post. but, once again I never get an answer as to why the aborted children, who if not aborted, would grow into actual living and breathing Americans, never matter to liberals. Just one time I would love a direct and no-bullsh*t answer.

My mom had thrills, but I was killed.

Comment #241: Here All Night said on 5/29/05 @ 4:53am ET...

"*** The term "total war" was also introduced by Josef Goebbels in 1943, it might be one of the most well-known remarks in the history of mankind."

I don't understand your confusion. Words have meaning. Our wonderful President George W. Bush meant what he said.

I often told my mother, "I love you". So did Jeffrey Dahlmer. He later had sex with corpses. I didn't, but it does not disqualify that I loved my mother.

She didn't abort me, so I think she is pretty special. Thanks Mom!! She chose not to murder her son. Jeffy's mom didn't abort him either. She squeezed out a murderer. We take that chance.

But, oddly enough, liberals were decidedly beside themselves when Jeffy got the death penalty. Why is that? Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

My mom had thrills, but I was killed.

Comment #242: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 4:58am ET...

I know you keep saying your "mom had thrills" and Im sure she was indeed a very loose woman but I only need to hear it one time.

NOW...

Do you believe abortion is the worst sin in the world?

Why don't you care about the living moms and dads in Darfur, Africa that are being murdered... your God-like Boosh seems to care NOT!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

If you don't like the Freedom that America offers and you enjoy repressing women... why don't you move to a more strict dictatorship?

Comment #243: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 5:07am ET...

"I often told my mother, 'I love you'. So did Jeffrey Dahlmer. He later had sex with corpses. I didn't, but it does not disqualify that I loved my mother."

Dahlmer hide his addiction from society too! Just turn yourself in to the athorities... it's your only hope.

"But, oddly enough, liberals were decidedly beside themselves when Jeffy got the death penalty. Why is that? Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?"

You live in a tiny little bubble don't you? There is a whole big world out there... go check it out! Try taking some courses at the community college and work your way up, maybe you can go to a university one day, or travel the world for a year or two.

Comment #244: Here All Night said on 5/29/05 @ 5:11am ET...

You still can't answer a direct question. That is where liberalism is tripped-up every time.

Please, I beg you, answer a direct question:

Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

Mom had thrills, but I was killed.

Comment #245: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 5:13am ET...

"Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?"

This is an ENDLESS debate...

ENDLESS!

It could be debated until the end of time, literally!

I just don't feel it's worth having that converstation with you in the Congressman Conyers Blog.

I don't plan to be here all morning trying to debate someone that couldn't find his ass with both hands...

Oh, you wanna step up... boy, I'd butter your tie before you could even crack open a rice beer!

Comment #246: here All Night said on 5/29/05 @ 5:40am ET...

Well, its been over ten minutes, so I guess "Patriot Act" has decided not to answer a direct question. I think the question doesn't have answer in the Liberal World. Only US military personel and Iraqi "citizens" who try to kill them are worthy of liberal's love.

Poor little almost-born babies are just so much garbage.

A liberal that can't answer a direct question! Imagine that!

Comment #247: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 5:46am ET...

Why do you keep saying "you liberals"?

Your question is a VERY silly one, that's why...

I love babies, fetus and cells of all kinds just the same! It's just that my priorities are someplace else... as you can see here, we're going to impeach Bush for treason!


I've also asked you several questions without reply. You don't hear me cryin... (you must be a very needy person)

Here they are AGAIN:

Do you believe abortion is the worst sin in the world?

Why don't you care about the living moms, dads AND CHILDREN in Darfur, Africa and Iraq that are being murdered?

If you don't like the Freedom that America offers and you enjoy repressing women... why don't you move to a more strict dictatorship?

You live in a tiny little bubble don't you?
__

New questions for you:

Are you one of those abortion clinic terrorist?

Why do you keep saying "you liberals" to me?

Do you think I speak for all liberals?

Can you define the word Liberal for me (hint: look it up or tell me in your own words so I can get a laugh)?

Why do you wanna talk about abortion when there are greater problems in the world?

Comment #248: Here Till Dawn said on 5/29/05 @ 6:10am ET...

Once again, nice try, but you float off into Neverland without answering my question. My question was not personal. I don't give a flip about your concerns. I am asking a question about the philosophy you share with so many others of your ilk. You all must have discussed this conflict of morality at some point in your brilliant lives, you guys being so thoughtful and beyond us mere mortals and all...I mean, if my stupid little head thought this up today, you probably thought it up in 1975, because you are soooooo intelligent and above use stupid monkeys. There must be a prepared answer at NOW or somewhere you can consult.

Since you are a part of the group that thinks abortion is a part of the human condition, and it is okey-dok with you, please answer in your best direct terms.

It is a direct and honest question that must be answered before you can be credible. Please save liberalism for all mankind and be the first liberal to answers a direct question:

Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

Comment #249: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 6:47am ET...

Now that's just like a good little fascist Bushie... you get to present your stupid little talking point, demand answers and then ignore EVERYTHING else that comes your way.... just like Bush ingnored Nam!

www.awolbush.com


REMEMBER THIS ONE MEMORIAL DAY:


On May 27, 1968, 12 days before graduation - and the expiration of his student DRAFT deferment - George W. Bush, son of a Houston Congressman, walked into the Ellington Field offices of the Texas Air National Guard and applied for pilot training.

This was the bloodiest era of the Vietnam War, a time when “...Americans were dying in combat at a rate of 350 a week”.

Although he had only scored 25% on his pilot aptitude test and had a criminal record, Bush jumped to the top of a waiting list of 500 candidates and 18 months, and was sworn in as an airman the same day.

Comment #250: Here Till dawn said on 5/29/05 @ 6:50am ET...

Rush Limbaugh said many years ago, never expect a direct answer from a liberal. That would require they face the truth, and they will never do that.

I guess Rush was right again, God Bless him, because I failed to get a direct answer from a Flaming Liberal.

No wonder the liberals hate Rush Limbaugh. He tells the truth about THEM. Everday he is on the radio. For what? 17 years now? An American Treasure!

Comment #251: Here Tilll Noon said on 5/29/05 @ 6:59am ET...

Patriot Acts, I went over your rant with a fine-tooth comb and still did not find and answer to my direct question. Are you so liberally willfully ignorant that you cannot bring yourself to a small conclusion?

Don't worry so much, liberals will still love you even if you screw up and answer a direct question. So would you please answer the plainly-put question I have been asking you for hours now? You won't be aborted from the cause just for letting a guy like me trip you up. It happens to all of your friends everyday.

Here's the question one more time:

Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

Comment #252: To Here Till Dawn said on 5/29/05 @ 7:02am ET...

First of all, you make the leap of 'all liberals'. That's your first mistake. You would be quite surprised to learn the 'most' liberals are pro-life.

Secondly, you are trying to bait the abortion argument in classic religious right fashion when the issue is really about women's health. It is not your right to prescribe what any woman should or should not do with her own body and reproductive health. Suppose 'all' woman advocated that 'all' men should be forced to have a vasectomy. How would you feel about the Supreme Court ruling then?

What you should be asking is, why are the majority of so-called 'liberals' pro-life, against genocide, against the death penalty and for peace not war.

If the radical right-wing 'ditto heads' were really about life, then why do they promote so much death and destruction?

To answer your obsurd, misleading, and false analogy most, if not all, woman (and liberals too) do love their child at conception, in vitro, and upon birth.

It is when they turn in to monsters that the love begins to fade. But, you must know that already.

Comment #253: ? said on 5/29/05 @ 7:11am ET...

I have searched and searched this thread about the illegal tactics used in Ohio, the stolen election, and the installment of GW again. (SINCE THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT) But, I have found NOTHING ON TOPIC.

Just more hate-filled vial rantings from the Limbaugh/O'Reilly/Hannity fans. Put on a UNIFORM there's a war going on!

Comment #254: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 7:21am ET...

He's a pill poppin hypocrit...

Rush Limpballs is a disinformer for the politicaly week minded boobs that believe everything he says. HITLER HAD PEOPLE LIKE THIS TOO. Ministers of information!

He is nothing more than a tool for NEO-CONS and the corporations, BLING BLING. You had better think about that one for a while...

Rush don't give a shit about you OR America, he just loves his $$$ (and pills).

Wake up idiot!

*
Go serve your country if you love the war!
*
After all, recruitment for this fake ass war on terror is WAY WAY down... quite being an armchair warrior, stop listening to Rush Limpballs and go enlist!

Comment #255: here Till Noon said on 5/29/05 @ 7:34am ET...

It was no leap. It it weren't for liberals, there would be many more democrat voters alive today. And you are wrong, I am not "surprised" by anything liberals do, and you are wrong again, but sweetly innocent, to describe any liberal as "pro-life". A duck quacking is for sure a duck.

Secondly, why must you consider the "abortion argument" as being "baited"? Aren't you absolute in your cause? Lord knows the side I'm on could NEVER be "baited". Think about it. Only the sucker in the pond is subject to being "baited". The guy on the shore is doing just fine.

Then you try to turn against your brothers and sisters by saying they are "pro-life" when that is a joke even Jay Leno wouldn't touch. The only life liberals are "pro" about is their own. But that is a dark secret best left unsaid.

Then you attack right-wing "ditto-heads". You forget that people like me are grownups and know about personal sacrifice and choices we make. You Liberals see everything as a group, which really makes you very blind.

Now here's the pay off:

You say: "To answer your obsurd (sic), misleading, and false analogy (sic)most, if not all, woman (and liberals too) do love their child at conception, in vitro, and upon birth..."

Then why is it ok to kill the ones that don't fit this answer? Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

"It is when they turn in to monsters that the love begins to fade. But, you must know that already."

No. I can honestly say I have no idea what you are talking about. It must be too "obsurd" for me to understand. I know deep in their hearts, liberals are monsters, but we don't readily bring that to the surface. Maybe you are giving away too much just because I baited you.

Comment #256: Mr Happy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:35am ET...

Look at this freerepublic.com thread:
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To: Kinky

Because I've been posting here for almost six years, n00b.

If you knew the know about the Grift Family Robinson, you'd be ponying up with the Clown Posse, too. Can we say Alan Keyes and Eternal Vigilance, just for starters? Or Bob J?

And, for the record, I've posted no trash on Clown Posse unless my opinions are considered trash.

Dry behind your ears and get back to me.

114 posted on 05/28/2005 9:01:33 PM PDT by annyokie ("Guess what. I got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell.")
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("Grift family Robinson"? An Allegation of Fraud?)

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To: annyokie
Dry behind your ears and get back to me.

Honey, you're not my mama, so I will do no such thing.

Funny that you can freely speak and use such derogatory language about the site owners. Why not just initiate a class action suit if you really believe that "Grift Family Robinson" garbage?
118 posted on 05/28/2005 9:11:22 PM PDT by Kinky (Yeah.)
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To: Kinky

Then you tell me where that $360,000 goes? It costs that much to run a chat room wherein the members find all the articles? I think not.

I just want to see a profit and loss statement. I'd be in jail if I were running a scam like FR.

119 posted on 05/28/2005 9:40:52 PM PDT by annyokie ("Guess what. I got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell.")
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Yep.. FRAUD! "I just want to see a profit and loss statement. I'd be in jail if I were running a scam like FR."

But surely Mr Robinson can comprehensively REBUT the allegation, IN DETAIL?? After all, this is serious stuff.. $360,000 donated by the freepsheep - where has the money gone? Oh. The rebuttal:

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To: annyokie

Bullshit. Bye bye.

123 posted on 05/28/2005 10:10:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Wow. Comprehensive!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1412423/posts?page=114#114

Comment #257: Here Till Noon said on 5/29/05 @ 7:39am ET...

He's a pill poppin hypocrit...

Rush Limpballs is a disinformer for the politicaly week minded boobs that believe everything he says. HITLER HAD PEOPLE LIKE THIS TOO. Ministers of information!

He is nothing more than a tool for NEO-CONS and the corporations, BLING BLING. You had better think about that one for a while...

Rush don't give a shit about you OR America, he just loves his $$$ (and pills).

"Wake up idiot!

*
Go serve your country if you love the war!
*
After all, recruitment for this fake ass war on terror is WAY WAY down... quite being an armchair warrior, stop listening to Rush Limpballs and go enlist!"

I knew if I stayed here long enough you would completely resort to type. Good Lord! It's great to be right again!!!

What next? The "F" word to shock us all???

Comment #258: Here Till Now said on 5/29/05 @ 7:42am ET...

My job is done! It was soooo easy...Thanks for playing our game and remember, a liberal left alone is a threat to himself.

GOODNIGHT FOLKS!!!

Comment #259: To Here Till Dawn said on 5/29/05 @ 7:45am ET...

#282

Fact: There are more DEMOCRATS than REPUBLICANS.

You don't honestly believe that he was elected legally do you?

Comment #260: To Here Till Now said on 5/29/05 @ 7:48am ET...

What it's your bedtime now?

Hello, the world is alive and just waking it's time for breakfast... where you going it's 7:48 AM ?

Comment #261: Good morning said on 5/29/05 @ 8:08am ET...

Mr. Conyers, you are a great person..a true American. Thank you for your work in trying to give our country back to us. I hate to think what this world would be like without people like you. I'm sorry you have to take such abuse for doing your job as a representative for our country. You take your job seriously. I appreciate that.
God bless you.

Comment #262: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 8:34am ET...

*
BREAKING:
*

THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war, new evidence has shown.
The attacks were intensified from May, six months before the United Nations resolution that Tony Blair and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, argued gave the coalition the legal basis for war. By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive.

The details follow the leak to The Sunday Times of minutes of a key meeting in July 2002 at which Blair and his war cabinet discussed how to make “regime change” in Iraq legal.

Geoff Hoon, then defence secretary, told the meeting that “the US had already begun ‘spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1632566,00.html

Comment #263: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 9:07am ET...

In the meantime, while all this 'distraction' has been going on, I have forwarded Rep. Conyers letter to over 100 people and the response is great!

Special thanks for highlighting Rep. Conyers efforts goes to:

DowningStreetMemo.com

and MichaelMoore.com

Comment #264: peggy said on 5/29/05 @ 10:59am ET...

i wonder why the righties aren't calling for verified/paper trail elections -- that would keep us liberals from screaming that the elections were stolen.

Comment #265: Katrina said on 5/29/05 @ 11:59am ET...

Why do liberals only love you once you are safely through the birth canal?

Why do rightwingers only care about children while they are in the womb?

I asked many questions last night, but did not get a single answer from Bush's psychophants. Didn't really expect to, though.

The Downing Street Memo answered all the remaining questions I had. Bush will have to address it sooner or later.

I hope this time, he is not allowed to have Cheney holding his hand, and that he is under oath. If he has been above board and honorable, he has nothing to fear from taking an oath and then just telling the truth.

I think that will be the test. I am willing to bet that he will never agree to taking an oath to tell the truth. I hope he surprises me.

Thank you again Rep. Conyers for all you do. You are a true American patriot!

Oh yes, to repeat some questions I got no answers to.

Where was Bush during the 17 months of his 'service' that no one has been able to verify so far? Until that question is answered, Bush was AWOL!. He's had 30 years to answer, why the delay?

Where are the WMDs?

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

Where is the Anthrax killer?

Where is the $9 billion dollars in Iraqi oil revenues?

These are just a few of the questions that Bush supporters refuse to answer, maybe because they cannot?

The Downing Street Memo, otoh, does answer them. When a president lies about a matter as serious as going to war, he should be impeached. I do believe that this memo is grounds for the appointment of a special prosecutor.

I expect to hear those who screamed for impeachment when a president lied about a personal matter, to be in the forefront of this demand for accountability from those entrust with the well-being of our country, but who fail to do so. After all, it was they who screamed the loudest about this being a country of laws, not men. Where are they today?

And, for the record, there is still a $10,000 reward awaiting the first person who can prove that George Bush was not AWOL, but was in fact, attending to his duties for the missing 17 months of his promised service to his country, far from the battlefront where many of his fellow Americans died, doing their duty.

Comment #266: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 12:28pm ET...

When liberals are left alone, the topic of abortion is rarely mentioned. When freepers talk to liberals, it's the only ammunition they can find.

Imagine this: A frozen embryo and a newborn baby are sharing a room. A massive fire breaks out, and you only have time to rush in to save ONE. Which one do you save?

Comment #267: wecontrolallblogs said on 5/29/05 @ 1:03pm ET...

johny how is the fund drive going?
time to move on to reparations it is so funny when you talk about that

Comment #268: Katrina said on 5/29/05 @ 1:38pm ET...

Hi wecontrolallblogs!

Where was George Bush for the 17 months of the service he swore to give his country (in the safety of TANG, far from the danger faced by his brave, fellow Americans,) which he has not accounted for, and which he has had 30 years to do?

There is a $10,000 reward, still uncollected, to go to any member of TANG or other witnesses, who can vouch that the current CIC was where he was supposed to, and not AWOL, as alleged.

I will check back for your response later ~

Speaking of reparations, I believe that as of now, since no proof of his honorable service has been offered, he, like any other soldier who goes AWOL, owes his country some reparation for his failure to honor the oath he took, don't you agree?

Back to topic, I see that Rep. Conyers is getting overwhelming support for his re-election. We need more patriots like him, thank you again, for your honesty and commitment to your country!

Comment #269: Daughter of Liberty said on 5/29/05 @ 3:06pm ET...

Dear Trolls,

Your thinking defies logic.

Specifically, why would you bother to post here if not concerned about certain allegations getting a fair and open hearing? It seems a senseless waste of time if you truly believe that the efforts of patriots like John Conyers will not succeed. Obviously you fear something, and believe the best defense is to be offensive. When you can argue cogently perhaps some here will take note. As long as you remain an out of control attack dog, do not expect any to consider your point of view on anything.

Comment #270: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 3:23pm ET...

I am a resident of Michigan and I think what Rep Conyers is doing is disingenuous at best. In order for me to take this seriously, I would expect each state to be scrutinized because IF something went wrong in Ohio then it stands to reason every state would be equally as important to look at. He isn't questioning his own state.. why? Well because we went for Kerry! Count my vote.. it's a resounding NO.

Comment #271: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 4:02pm ET...

Hey toast: Michigan went the way it was EXPECTED to go, based on both pre-election polls, and exit polls. There was no controversy.

Duh.

Comment #272: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 4:05pm ET...

Anyone who believes polls as a way to gauge elections is a fool.

Comment #273: BEVCHEATEDANY said on 5/29/05 @ 5:00pm ET...

whats up with reparations ?

Comment #274: Will said on 5/29/05 @ 5:15pm ET...

Fact: There are more DEMOCRATS than REPUBLICANS.

You don't honestly believe that he was elected legally do you?

That's because there are some smart Democrats, like Zell Miller. And the independents mostly voted the right way.

Comment #275: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 5:17pm ET...

Oh yeah, toast. I forgot that science isn't your thing. "Statistics" and all that jazz. It's only for fools.

I guess that's how you can keep thinking that "USA is NUMBER ONE"! It's easy when you ignore the facts.

Comment #276: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 5:18pm ET...

Miami (Dade County) demanding removal of all touch screen voting machines.

http://www.reformcoalition.org/

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Wednesday, May 25, 2005

CONTACT:
Dan McCrea, MDERC Government Relations Chair, 305-984-2900 (cell)

PRESS ADVISORY * PRESS ADVISORY * PRESS ADVISORY


Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition to Release Post-Election Report on Problems at the Polls in November 2004

MIAMI � At a 4 p.m. news conference today, the Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition will release an in-depth analysis of problems at the polls during the November 2004 presidential election.

The findings of the coalition, which are outlined in the following detailed 30-page report: ("Get it Right the First Time" - "Appendices"), indicate that during the November election, Miami-Dade County experienced serious problems with policies and procedures that are supposed to protect the integrity of the ballot count.

The post-election analysis by Martha R. Mahoney, Professor of Law at the University of Miami School of Law, includes detailed statistics and summaries of problems that were uncovered during early voting and poll closing, including vote-counting problems, discrepancies between the number of voters and the number of ballots and touch-screen voting machines breakdowns.

Copies of the report will be made available for reporters and can be downloaded here: "Get it Right the First Time" "Appendices".

Who: Lida Rodriguez-Taseff, Chair, Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition, Dan McCrea, Government Relations Chair, Martha R. Mahoney, Professor of Law at the University of Miami School of Law and Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida, a member of the coalition.

What: News conference to release November 2004 election report entitled GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, Poll Closing Observation, Ballot Accounting, and Electronic Voting Security

When: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 4 p.m.

Where: ACLU of Florida Offices, 4500 Biscayne Blvd., Suite 340

Contact: Dan McCrea, MDERC Government Relations Chair, 305-984-2900 (cell) or Lida Rodriguez-Taseff at 305-960-2422 (office) or 582-1255 (cell)

Alessandra Soler Meetze ([email protected])
Communications Director
American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Florida
4500 Biscayne Blvd., Suite 340
Miami, FL 33137-3227

Phone: (305) 576-2337, ext. 16 - Fax: (305) 576-1106

Visit the ACLU of Florida on-line at www.aclufl.org

Comment #277: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 5:20pm ET...

Ignore the facts? Oh that's rich. Bush won! Accept it, figure out why we're in this war and thank your lucky stars you're an American you ungrateful dolt!

Comment #278: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 5:33pm ET...

Fact is, we're way behind most of the industrialized world in math and science. We have a far less "free press" than many smaller democracies. There are other "facts", but I'm sure you wouldn't listen to any, so I'll save my fingers.

By "this war" I'll assume that you mean the one in Iraq. Tell me, DOLT, exactly WHEN did Iraq attack us? For the life of me, I still cannot figure out WHY we're in THIS war. The justification for it changes with the wind.

Before you dub me "anti-military", let me tell you that 5 of my brothers are veterans, my ex-husband is a veteran, my current husband is a veteran, and I'm probably the only one of us who has lost a family member in "this war".

I'm grateful to all who have lost their lives, but if you really think they are currently "defending our freedoms", you're out of your mind. They are defending the oil, and they know it, and they are getting pissed that they can't come home.

As for the election, I watched as Ohio turned. It was the most "oh my God, what just happened??" moment of my life. I'm old enough to have watched more than 10 national elections, and I have never seen anything like it.

Now, you got more names to call me?

Comment #279: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 5:37pm ET...

Just for the record.. your "Duh" comment in the beginning clued me in to your intelligence but anyway. We're in this war because there is a group called al-qaida that adheres to Islam, a religion of peace(tm) that tells them to kill anyone who doesn't convert. They have been bombing our country and other interests (Embassies in other countries for example) for DECADES. How long shall we let it go on? When they're in our streets here in America, THEN it would be ok to start a war or what?

Comment #280: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 5:39pm ET...

As for the "oh my God, what just happened??" thing.. it's called your guy lost and you're having trouble accepting it. For pete's sake.

Comment #281: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 5:44pm ET...

Did Rush tell you that al-qaida was in Iraq? Cuz, they weren't there under Saddam, ya know.

Oops...that was a fact. Sorry.

btw...my IQ is in the "much above average" range. I used "Duh" so you'd understand me.

Comment #282: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 5:45pm ET...

Try here, oh Ms Fact Guru

http://hnn.us/articles/1282.html

Comment #283: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:06pm ET...

I fail to see how the resolution to go into Iraq is of any relevance NOW that all of that has been proven to be wrong. Did you miss the whole "no WMD" thing? I swear it was on the news. Even on Fox, although they twisted the justification right along with the Bushies.

Now, back to the real topic here. My "OMG" moment came at about midnight-1:00 am. By your logic, I'm supposed to believe that Republicans ran out en masse, to vote for Bush, AFTER THE POLLS WERE CLOSED, because they saw that Kerry had the lead. The polling places that were open late, were in predominately Democratic areas. Are you saying that they were so tired of standing in line that they voted wrong?

Comment #284: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:12pm ET...

A comment from the same website, toast:

I'm not a lawyer (thank God), but it seems to me that Section 3 authorizes the President to wage war to defend U.S. national security and to enforce relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions, NOT to build a democratic nation in Iraq. Since WMD and links to international terrorism have been greatly disproven, the President has no mandate or authority under this resolution for continuing the war.

Comment #285: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:14pm ET...

Obviously I didn't follow all the teary-eyed commentators about the exit polls, but I do recall some talking about Kerry being way in the lead at 4:30pmEST.. That would make sense as the employed people hadn't gotten off work yet to vote.

I hope that the only driving force here is to make future elections better, God knows I'm tired of hearing about the past. If it's any consolation, I made it through Clinton's "wins" and I am here to talk about it. You'll live too.

Comment #286: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:15pm ET...

Yes I saw that. Until the troops are withdrawn they will stay. Easy concept.

Comment #287: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:22pm ET...

Yup, I survived Nixon and Reagan, and I'll survive Bush.

My husband and I voted AFTER WE GOT OUT OF WORK, as did all my children. Typical Repukelican, you paint all lefties as lazy welfare recipients. I HOPE that you someday are the victim of outsourcing and Bush's Walmart economy. Then, I hope somebody steals your boots so you can't pull yourself up.

For what it's worth, Kerry was in the lead at 4:30 pm, AND 6:30 pm, AND 8:30 pm, AND 10:30 pm, etc.

Comment #288: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 6:26pm ET...

"FACTS WERE BEING FIXED"

Seems to hold true in war and elections for Republicans! What a twisted world they must live in.

Comment #289: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:27pm ET...

Keep up the condescending attitude, it can only help me. Your wishes of my victimhood only reinforce my view of you. My comment earlier about polls meant that polls don't seem very scientific, even to my unscientific mind. I've never been polled in my life, yet this country seems to live off them. I was raised that whom I voted for was private, and if someone did ask me outside the poll I doubt I would answer them. Thus my scrutiny.

Comment #290: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:32pm ET...

Did I strike a nerve? What's the matter, you don't WANT to be unemployed? You don't WANT to be poor?

Of course you don't. You friends would make fun of you, and imply that you deserve it. They'd tell you that if you only TRIED HARDER or went to church more, you could fix it.

And it would be harder for you to make fun of others in the same position.

Comment #291: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:35pm ET...

How do you know if I'm employed or not and what in the world does that have to do with anything?

Comment #292: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:39pm ET...

You have a short attention span, toast.

Your words:

Obviously I didn't follow all the teary-eyed commentators about the exit polls, but I do recall some talking about Kerry being way in the lead at 4:30pmEST.. That would make sense as the employed people hadn't gotten off work yet to vote.

That would imply that only Republicans have jobs, no?

Makes about as much sense as my former coworker who said on election morning, "Oh good, it's raining! Maybe that will keep people home." As if only Republicans own umbrellas.

Comment #293: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:41pm ET...

No that wasn't what I was implying. However, you seem to be attributing that to me. Nice try. All it means is that a good deal of people hadn't voted yet. Why are you so angry?

Comment #294: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 6:45pm ET...

Yes, a good deal of people, from both parties, had not yet voted. A good deal of Democrats didn't get to vote at all, due to lines that were hours and hours long. Many had jobs to get to, or children to take care of. And then, by a miracle of modern computer technology, Ohio went for Bush at the last minute.

That's why I'm so "angry".

Comment #295: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 6:51pm ET...

Well, I'll tell you what. If you want "repukes" to get on board with something as important as honest elections, I suggest you get off your angry trip and start acting like a human being. As it stands right now, places like DU and moveon are doing more harm than good because it looks like a sore loser thing. Conyers trying to undermine Bush at every turn with his snarky letters in one breath and then asking for election help in the next is a conflict of interest in my view. Just a few thoughts from someone who would like our next president, whatever party he/she is from, to be able to govern without any doubts.

Comment #296: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 7:05pm ET...

Very interesting article. Rep. Conyers district is also mentioned.

5-27-05: Optical scan system hacked (3 ways) - BBV Exclusive
Tallahassee, FL: "Are we having fun yet?"

This is the message that appeared in the window of a county optical scan machine, startling Leon County Information Systems Officer Thomas James. Visibly shaken, he immediately turned the machine off.

Diebold's opti-scan (paper ballot) voting system uses a curious memory card design, offering penetration by a lone programmer such that standard canvassing procedures cannot detect election manipulation.

The Diebold system in Leon County, Florida h... More
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Comment #297: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:08pm ET...

It "looks like a sore loser thing" only if you're on the outside looking in. To us, it's the truth that's being ignored by the media, and hidden by the powers that be.

If I were truly angry, I could seriously throw some mud at you, and call you some very unpleasant names. All I have done is dispute your "facts" with my own, call you names similar to the ones you've called me, and that makes ME the angry one?

I know you don't look at polls, and no one calls you, but Bush has undermined HIMSELF in the public eye. John Conyers is just doing the work that AT LEAST HALF of the country wants him to do. You're holding on to a fantasy presidency that doesn't exist.

Now, why don't you join us and send Mr Conyers a donation?

Comment #298: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:11pm ET...

And thank you Sandra, for interrupting the "Judy and toast Show". I was beginning to wonder where everybody was. It was getting lonely in here.

Comment #299: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 7:11pm ET...

I don't support Mr Conyers, nor did I vote for him, nor will I vote for him. But hey, it's only one vote right. :)

George Bush is the president. That, my friend, is reality. I support him. It's my right to, it's your right not to. That's what makes America great.

Comment #300: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:15pm ET...

Absolutely, toast. You can support whomever you wish, that IS America. Now go to Bush's blog.

Oh yeah, he doesn't have one. Must be why you came here. Your side doesn't want to hear from you either. Sad.

Comment #301: toast said on 5/29/05 @ 7:17pm ET...

Ok I'm going. Think about what I said. Keep up with the anger and hate and you won't go far. adios =D

Comment #302: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 7:20pm ET...

No wait toast, don't jump... oh well can't save everyone.

Comment #303: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:26pm ET...

Oops...did I do that?

I'm better than I thought!

Comment #304: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 7:33pm ET...

Good job Judy! 'Goodbye cruel world'..................

Comment #305: Judy said on 5/29/05 @ 7:46pm ET...

VICTORY IS MINE, SAYETH THE LIBERAL!

Comment #306: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 7:54pm ET...

ROTFLMAO!

Well, I have other things to do... so logging off now. But, if you can hang around there's a rant from Will on the New Rules thread!

Peace.
Sandra (Florida)

Comment #307: Sandra said on 5/29/05 @ 8:41pm ET...

re-post
5-27-05: Optical scan system hacked (3 ways) - BBV Exclusive

'...the Diebold opti-scan system'

This system is also used in Congressman John Conyers' home district, in contentious King County, Washington, and in Lucas County, Ohio (where six election officials resigned or were suspended after many irregularities were found.)

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Comment #308: Emily said on 5/29/05 @ 11:27pm ET...

I see toast said she was going away. Good job Judy. During the election Bush's .com website had a blog (or was it a message board?) but after a few weeks or so it closed down. Then after that only US citizen's could access his website. Go figure! Bush was never appointed president except through the Supreme Court which is 95% republican appointee's (Reagan & Bush I only two are from Clinton). In 2000 during that whole fiasco it went to them and Bush was appointed the winner because they had "riots" to stop the counting. On September 12th, 2001 it was supposed to be announced that Al Gore really did win Florida but we all know what happened then. If you visit cspan's website (cspan.org if you don't know it) in their video search engine type in Cliff Arnebeck and look for his interview with the Washington Journal. He's a lawyer working on the case in Ohio. If you haven't check out the Greg Palast film "The Bush Family Fortunes." Also check out http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
if anybody is interested for some other good docs. I suggest "The War Party" (about the neocons), "The Power of Nightmare's" (about terrorist groups like Al-Quida), "Hijacking Castrophe," "The Carlyle Group," and "Dick Cheney: Unauthorized biography." Also the Palast film is on this website as well. You need either real player or window's media player.

Comment #309: Emily said on 5/29/05 @ 11:30pm ET...

One other thing. If you're not familiar with Greg Palast you can see some of his stuff on his website at http://www.gregpalast.com He's my favorite reporter/journalist.

Comment #310: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 11:39pm ET...

*
Milk-Toast says:
*

"They (al-qaida) have been bombing our country and other interests... for DECADES."

REALLY?

I though the 'al-qaida' bunch was that CIA front group we started a number of years ago...

Please Trolls tell me if Im wrong.

....and tell me about one bombing they did here in the USA, cuz the only one that I can think of is the one that Clinton stopped from crossing the boarder from Canada.

Comment #311: Patriot Acts said on 5/29/05 @ 11:45pm ET...

I second that:

www.HijackingCastrophe.org

Comment #312: Patriot Acts said on 5/30/05 @ 12:05am ET...

Did everyone see the new question...

"Do We have the Smoking Bullet From the Downing Street Smoking Gun Memo?" ~JC

Comment #313: Emily said on 5/30/05 @ 12:51am ET...

To number 310 you're right about Al-Quida. They are nothing to be afraid of personally unless you give them that fear that they'd use. Bush is doing a fine job for that. If you haven't visit http://www.reopen911.org They have some good information all backed up by facts. Also check out http://www.mininova.org and in the movie section go to documentary and find the film "9/11: The Greatest Lie Ever Sold" and I also recommend the Alex Jones docs.

Comment #314: Tom said on 5/30/05 @ 2:44am ET...

Impeachment: This is Big, Really Big!!!!!

I have inquired with my congressional representatives (who typically respond to my e-mails with detailed position statements) about the case for impeachment of President George W. Bush. On this topic I get silence, no reply whatever from any of them. (Chicken-shit wieners) And you can count on NOT hearing anything about this (The Downing Street Memo) in the corporate "Liberal Media".

And now comes forth the heroic and courageous Congressman John Conyers (D-Michigan). John Conyers is on the Judiciary Committee and is in an excellent position to raise this issue, even if he gets slapped down by the goose-stepping Republican majority. The truth cannot be covered over by propaganda, ignoring, and spin forever.

In this nation, the breaking of laws by those in power cannot to be tolerated and glossed over, or our constitution is meaningless. This initiative by Conyers could be the "tip of the iceberg" in exposing the global and national criminality of this administration, and could make Tom DeLay's problems look like a bee sting.

Peace! Tom

[email protected]

Comment #315: Patriot Acts said on 5/30/05 @ 7:01am ET...

Has Dean and/or the other "Democrats" made any statments on the recent topic of Boosh Impeachment?

If no, why do they chose to remain silent?

I'm so happy we're Impeaching Bush....

History in the making!

I've sent well over 2000 e-mails out to friends and other various groups, groups that are FULL of very well connected progressive Democrats... I'm doing my very best to keep people informed and up to speed.


Spread the word far and wide!


*
Impeach Bush for HIGH TREASON!
*

Please flood the phone lines on this Momorial Day! Call CSPAN, Drudge, Rush Limpballs and CNN... anyone and everyone that takes calls or has an e-mail address.

Let me know if you need the tele numbers.

Comment #316: Patriot Acts said on 5/30/05 @ 7:28am ET...

This morning, I sent this to C-SPAN Wash Jornal:

The article you read this morning is correct... Bush has NO plan regarding the "war" on terrorism.

Please alow me remind of this:

"This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there ... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

~Richard Perle (quoted in the New Statesman 12/16/2002)

*** The term "total war" was introduced by Josef Goebbels in 1943.


Congressman John Conyers and I are going to Impeach Bush for HIGH TREASON... media coverage or not! Next stop, media reform!

Please visit:

www.downingstreetmemo.com

www.afterdowningstreet.org

www.johnconyers.com

Thanks!

Comment #317: Sandra said on 5/30/05 @ 9:05am ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

I read your excellently detailed letter @
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/modules.php?op=modload&name;=News&file;=article&sid;=11&mode;=threadℴ=0&thold;=0

I tried to send you an email regarding the type0 (August 2005) which you may want to correct before forwarding. (your email box is full; so my email did not go through)

re: The new information goes on to indicate that our military decided "on August 5, 2005 [sic], for a `hybrid plan" in which

May 31, 2005

Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense
The Pentagon
Arlington, VA

Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

I write with an urgent and important request that you respond to a report in the London Times on Sunday, May 29, indicating that British and U.S. aircraft increased their rates of bombing in 2002 in order to provoke an excuse for war in Iraq. Much of this information is provided by the British Ministry of Defense in response to questions posed by Liberal Democrat Sir Menzies Campbell.

As you may know, on May 6, I wrote to President Bush, along with 88 of my colleagues in the House of Representatives, asking him to respond to allegations first revealed in the London Times on May 1, that the U.S. and British government had a secret plan to invade Iraq by the summer of 2002, well before the Bush Administration requested authorization for military action, from the U.S. Congress. A response is still pending on that request.

The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article. They include the following:

* "The RAF and U.S. aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs in 2002 .... The attacks were intensified from May .... By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive." Then British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon reportedly told a British Cabinet Meeting in July, 2002, that by this time "the U.S. had already begun `spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime." The newly released information also appears to show that "the allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001."

* According to the article, this increase at the rate of bombing was "an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war." As I am sure you are aware, allied commander Tommy Franks has previously acknowledged the existence of increased military operations which he asserted were needed "to `degrade' Iraqi air defenses in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf War."

* The new information goes on to indicate that our military decided "on August 5, 2005 [sic], for a `hybrid plan" in which a continuous air offensive and special forces would begin while the main ground force built up in Kuwait for a full-scale invasion." According to the article, "despite the lack of an Iraqi reaction, the air war began anyway in September with a 100-plane raid."

The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article. If true, these assertions indicate that not only had our nation secretly and perhaps illegally agreed to go to war by the summer of 2002, but that we had gone on to take specific and tangible military actions before asking Congress or the United Nations for authority.

Thus, while there is considerable doubt as to whether the U.S. had authority to invade Iraq, given, among other things, the failure of the U.N. to issue a follow-up resolution to the November 8, 2002 Resolution 1441, it would seem that the act of engaging in military action via stepped up bombing raids that were not in response to an actual or imminent threat before our government asked for military authority would be even more problematic from a legal as well as a moral perspective.

As a result of these new disclosures, I would ask that you respond as promptly as possible to the following questions:

1) Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they were dropping bombs in Iraq in 2002? If so, what was the extent and timing of the increase?

2) What was the justification for any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq at this time? Was this justification reviewed by legal authorities in the U.S.?

3) To the best of your knowledge, was there any agreement with any representative of the British government to engage in military action in Iraq before authority was sought from the Congress or the U.N.? If so, what was the nature of the agreement?

In connection with all of the above questions, please provide me with any memorandum, notes, minutes, documents, phone and other records, e-mails, computer files (including back-up records) or other material of any kind or nature concerning or relating thereto in the possession or accessible by the Department of Defense.

I would encourage you to provide responses to these questions as promptly as possible, as they raise extremely grave and serious questions involving the credibility of our Administration and its constitutional responsibilities. In the interest of time, please feel free to forward me partial responses as they become available.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Member

Comment #318: Sandra said on 5/30/05 @ 10:52am ET...

BUSH SAID HE WOULD TAKE SADDAM OUT MAY 2000 - HOTEL IN TROY, MICHIGAN
...BOASTED ABOUT THEFT OF OIL

http://impeachcentral.com/

See: Bob Fertik's Blog 5/22/05

The Lies That Led To War
by Juan Cole,

From Bush's meeting in May 2000 with Osama Siblani and 12 Republicans in a hotel room in Troy, Mich., until July 2002, his obsession with attacking Iraq never wavered. His first national security meeting was all about Iraq. He seriously considered attacking Iraq before Afghanistan after Sept. 11, and Blair had to argue him into the Afghanistan war. He had Rumsfeld ask Gen. Franks for an Iraq war plan on Nov. 27, 2001. The sense that Dearlove had, that the die had been inexorably cast by July 2002, was entirely correct.

Comment #319: smokescreen said on 5/30/05 @ 11:33am ET...

uncover the truth about 9-11, the lies for iraq and impeach all of them involved...or the american people will

Comment #320: Emily said on 5/30/05 @ 1:29pm ET...

Hopefully the real truth about 9/11 can come out too. I hope so. Those families who lost loved one's deserve it and deserve to have justice for their deaths. I'm with you smokescreen. Everyone who in his administration was involved deserves to be prosecuted.

Comment #321: Mike said on 5/30/05 @ 3:21pm ET...

The few multi-handled trolls in this thread serve as a precise example as to why I would never drag myself so low as to become a republican. God bless you Mr. Conyers, you have both my support and my best wishes.

Comment #322: Ohiodem1 said on 5/30/05 @ 3:26pm ET...

Rep. Conyers, thank you for your work uncovering the corruption, voter intimidation, vote stealing, voting officials conflicts of interest, misallocation of voting machines, and other misfeasance, nonfesance and malfeasance in the conducting of the 2004 Presidential Election process in Ohio. (I am sure similar situations exist in other states as well.)

The election abuses in Ohio can also be traced to the problems associated with one-party rule.

For the last 15 years, the Republican Party has held the governorship in Ohio, first with George Voinovich, then Bob Taft. Since 1994, the Republicans have held both houses of the General Assembly. Since 1994, they have held all statwide elected administrative offices, Lt. Governor, Auditor, Attorney General and Secretary of State.

They have held at least a 4-3 advantage in the Supreme Court over most of this time as well. The current Supreme court is 6-1 Republican, meaning that only one Justice holds statewide office as a Democrat.

The Republicans forged this advantage through maintaining a better political organization, and running focused good campaigns. This is to their credit.

The arrogance of one-party rule is now coming to rest in Ohio, and its results can be demonstrated in the results of one-party rule, not the rhetoric of one-party rule.

Since 1994, the Public School funding formula in Ohio has been declared unconstitutional on 4 occasions. Three times the Republican Legislature and governor failed to enact a constitutional formula. Remember, the Supreme Court is Republican. On the fourth try, the Legislature and Governor threw up their collective hands, and APPOINTED A COMMISSION which is what Republicans always do when confronted with a need to do the right thing.

The Commission came back with a set of recommendations which included a change in how the tax structure for public school funding was designed, one which would permit some growth in the tax base, and reduce the number of levies needed. It is not enacted.

Now we are seeing the conjunction of big money and politics in Ohio, through the "Coingate" scandal.

Post length and a desire for courtesy to our community force me to limit this, but the same pattern emerges, on any public policy area in Ohio. One Party Rule hurts Ohio and America. We need to return to two party government from the center in Ohio and other states where one party rule exists, and in America. Our democracy demands it.

Comment #323: Rye said on 5/30/05 @ 3:35pm ET...

Andy Stephenson, if anything, shows that while republicans tend to eat thier own, democrats selflessly give first to those who need the most. Mr Stephenson recieved his surgery at John Hopkins on the 25th of May. I for one prefer the democrats 'culture of life' over the rebublicans 'culture of profit'

Comment #324: Katrina said on 5/30/05 @ 4:37pm ET...

I see the trolls or troll with different names, has been driven off by Liberal Warriors armed to the teeth with facts!

I'm a little disappointed because he/she/it never answered my questions.

VICTORY IS MINE, SAYETH THE LIBERAL! *rotfl*!

Judy, isn't it always, when they are foolishly sent on political suicide missions to take on 'lieberal wussies' by the great 'truth teller' Rush, (did the troll really claim that Rush 'tells the truth' *rotfl*), who, it cannot be ignored, never does so himself?

You did great, it was pure entertainment to watch as it always is, when a ditto head meets a true Liberal Warrior! Keep up the good work, Judy!

I say we challenge Rush, to go one on one with a Liberal Warrior himself, instead of sending out his poorly equipped trolls to do what he himself won't, because he can't, do himself!

I too, will be sending out all the information on 'What Went Wrong In Ohio' to everyone I know, including my rightwing friends, most of whom are simply unaware of the facts.

Comment #325: Judy said on 5/30/05 @ 5:13pm ET...

Thanks Katrina. I think I burnt the toast. It was interesting how he/she/it started out so TOUGH talking, and limped away calling me a big meanie.

The trolls obviously don't spend much time on NEWS, because they have so much time to waste on opposition websites. It's all I can do to keep up with what our side is doing...I can't imagine trying to squeeze in spamming up a right-wing board.

Comment #326: Vyan said on 5/30/05 @ 5:55pm ET...

Nice work people, and they say those on the left are too wimpy to fight back. As I've said before, the righties are bullies and cowards - fight back with tenacity and the truch, and they'll fold.

Vyan

Comment #327: Katrina said on 5/30/05 @ 6:59pm ET...

*lol* ~ Judy, you smoked him/her/it, you horrible, liberal meanie, you ~ it was a joy to behold!

Vyan, so true, the poor little trolls believed the 'liberals are too wimpy' fable, told to them by the great story teller, himself, Rush (all drug addicts belong in jail, except me) Limbaugh and his rightwing cohorts! A good thing he lied to them about that because it makes the job of eviscerting them with facts, even easier, as Judy, all alone and without any need of assistance, so clearly demonstrated last night!

Judy, they don't read, they tune in to AM radio and Fox, and that's the extent of their 'news' gathering, oh, except for the daily emails from the rightwing containing the talking points they arm themselves with for the coming week.

All over the country, as they venture forth, armed only with rightwing propaganda, they are experiencing a cruel awakening to the fact that taking on Liberal Warriors is a foolhardy and humiliating experience for the most part!! Great work, Judy!! :-)

Comment #328: MajorHart said on 5/30/05 @ 7:06pm ET...

While I believe in very limited immigration, I'm a stronger supporter of Mr. Conyers, Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo for telling it like it is. I can't donate right now but when I can I sure will and happily so. There are so few of Mr. Conyers standing in our government he is a jewel. We're not ever going to agree on everything (I don't support reparations) he is still head and shoulders above 90% of those bushy rubber stamps in congress and government.

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Comment #329: 1mad bruin said on 5/30/05 @ 7:42pm ET...

Idiotic trolls, one and all. You know who you are. Okay, okay, you intuit it, because real knowledge is a bit beyond you. (I'm being kind here). Y'all are in the category of useful idiots, so long as you don't pull down substantially more than 200k per year. You think that screaming, spamming and generally tagging this board with the 2 dozen or so words that you (sort of ) know how to spell makes you purveyors of "Facts and truth" when the truth is you wouldn't know the facts or truth if it whacked you in the forehead and then bit you on the gluteal muscle of your choice. Bushco. doesn't care about you, it only cares about the uninhibited passage of exorbitant wealth from generation to generation, and you're being used to shout down real discourse that dares to pull the curtain back from the "Wizard" and expose him for the charlatan that he is. Go away little trolls. Take your small minds, your bad grammar, your remedial-level historical knowledge and above all your (abject lack of) spelling prowess with you. Your masters at FoxNews (or newsMax or Powerline, or Anncoulter.com) are beckoning you.

Comment #330: Judy said on 5/30/05 @ 7:58pm ET...

Interesting...I brought up Ron Paul here a couple of weeks ago, as a possible "ally" from the right for Mr Conyers. Emily mentioned him yesterday, and now MajorHart.

Hmmmm. Is this going somewhere? I sure hope so.

Katrina: I'm working my liberal warrior butt off over on the "Rules" discussion. Can't tell if I'm winning yet, but stay tuned.

I AM a big meanie!

Comment #331: Peter Orphanides said on 5/30/05 @ 9:00pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

The people on this forum hurling obnoxious comments at you are just hateful mean spirited people (almost always Republican) who wish to load your blog with overwhelming around of negative-statements.

I think you're doing a great job trying to bring to light that memo which exposed the UK - US conspiracy to wage an illegal war.

Peter

Comment #332: Emily said on 5/30/05 @ 10:59pm ET...

Hi Katrina. Wanted to comment on blah Rush. I think it was him but it could've been O'Reilly. But I think it was Rush. On his show he claimed all high school students think about was sexual matters. I forgot where it was but a high school debate team challenged Rush to come to their school and debate him. Of course he never replied to the challenge. He couldn't, of course, because then he couldn't control the message and he couldn't hang people off the phone.

Comment #333: Emily said on 5/30/05 @ 11:05pm ET...

Oh yeah. Speaking of Fox I was watching on http://www.dembloggers.com the video of Rhandi Rhodes at Mr. Conyers media matter's hearing and she was telling how fox and CNN's raitings have gone down! I was happy about that. I don't watch the "news" anymore either. I mainly get my news in my inbox from mailing list's I'm on and DU. Yahoo is a good site as well. I just don't watch too much tv now days except for a few shows I enjoy.

Comment #334: Emily said on 5/30/05 @ 11:10pm ET...

I hope so Judy on Mr. Paul. I first heard about him from CNet when I read about the Real ID act on there when I was looking for a reliable place to give information to some people about the act. Then I saw an Alex Jones documentary (I've seen almost all of his) and he was in the 2004 election one and what really made me like him even more was when he called Bush and his gang "neocons" like they are. :D I hope Mr. Conyers can speak to Mr. Paul and also Mr. Duncan from Tennessee (my state) and the guy from North Carolina who voted against the Real ID act. I think there are still real and decent republicans left. They're just scared and hiding and I would be too probably with Karl Rove around. My belief in this is the stem cell research vote recently where it went over really well.

Comment #335: Kenny said on 5/31/05 @ 4:18am ET...

For the person who responded to the veteran who was wise enough to question the reasons he fights for the country and questions it, you say that he is an American who happens to be Black, hmmm it is funny how people like Rodney King who was mistreated by police in L.A., for a moment let's forget his so called drug use, he was still beaten over 85 times by police. Let's talk about the Black man in NYC who a few years back was BRUTALLY sodimized by police and you try to correct the serviceman from stating he feels he is Black before he is an American? Tell that to many men of color in this country who are sent to prison mistakenly. Tell that to the Black men in this country that have a better chance of going to prison than to college. You talk about the Facist-Muslim factor that are intent on killing Americans or Christians around the globe, what was the the conquest about in Europe? They were bent on killing Muslims calling them satanist!! It is because of the attitudes of many like yourself, a "patriot" that people in other countries are attempting to kill Americans. We have promoted so much hate and discontent around the world for so many years that it has festered and is now spoiling on the lands of the U.S. I have seen the hate first hand visiting other countries, yes there are bad cruel people of all faiths out there and it does no one any good to continue this practice of mass killings. But what are we doing to get teh peace loving people of the world to be on our side? You also talk about sending troops like myself into places like L.A. you need to read up on the Constitution sir there is a thing called Posse'Comitatus we can not use our on troops against our own people!! Mr. Patriot you don't sound too much like a true American, we are supposed to be promoting democracy not facism.

Comment #336: Ohiodem1 said on 5/31/05 @ 7:56am ET...

Judy, good work above. I have noticed that when you really hit the trolls with a bit of unrefutable truth, they will change the subject and not respond to the truth at all. You have won the argument if the subject is changed. You can redirect their attention to the part they missed, and they usually will ignore it again.

My favorite technique is to juxtapose the ACTIONS of their leaders against their own words. It either exposes hyprocrisy or lies. If I quote the President, I go to Whitehouse.gov and quote from the President's own website. I always quote the entire paragraph, and cite the source.

This eliminates the counter argument that you quoted out of context, or misquoted, or were being unfair. It also nails the argument.

Great work Judy, and Sandra!

Comment #337: Sandra said on 5/31/05 @ 7:48pm ET...

The same thing that happened in Ohio and Florida, began in Texas!

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Comment #338: Sandra said on 6/1/05 @ 3:04am ET...

Don't expect any help for John Conyers on Articles of Impeachment from Tom Feeney (R-FL), who is also on the U.S. House Judiciary, Constitution Subcommittee.

He should be serving time...I picture hard labor on a chain gang with the rest of the GOP!

Texas to Florida: White House-linked clandestine operation paid for "vote switching" software

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Madsen/120604madsen.html

Comment #339: Sandra said on 6/2/05 @ 12:25am ET...

This post from AmericaBlog
http://www.americablog.org/

Ohio GOP leaders giving up Noe's money while Grand Jury Investigates his contributions to Bush
by Joe in DC - 6/1/2005 10:51:00 PM

Ha Ha Ha....this is getting even better. The Ohio GOP Coin-gate scandal really does involve all the major players in the party, including George Bush. The AP is reporting that a who's who of GOP leaders in Ohio will be giving up the money they got from Coin-gate star, Tom Noe:
Gov. Bob Taft and other Ohio Republicans said Wednesday they were relinquishing thousands of dollars they got from a leading GOP donor and coin dealer who's under state and federal investigation.

The money came from Tom Noe, who managed rare coin investments for the state's workers' compensation bureau. At least $10 million of the state's $55 million coin investment is believed to be missing.

Taft, three other statewide officeholders, several House lawmakers, U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine and the state Republican party said they were giving up campaign contributions from Noe totaling nearly $60,000. Many of the officials designated charities or a workers' compensation fund to receive the money.

Those who received contributions included Auditor Betty Montgomery, Attorney General Jim Petro and Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. All are candidates for governor next year.
Big Deal. They created the monster. And, these elected GOP leaders may be out a couple thousand here and there. But the citizens of Ohio are out MILLIONS.

Still no word from George Bush. Noe was a Bush Pioneer...who "raised" hundreds of thousands for Bush. But, the Bush folks have other Tom Noe things to worry about. There was a Grand Jury convened in Toledo today to investigate that whole mess, too. The Toledo Blade reported:
Investigators are trying to determine if Mr. Noe gave money to people in order for them to give to the Bush campaign, allowing him to skirt federal campaign contribution limits.
So, Bush is the only major player who still holding on to his Noe money. In Bush's case, that may be a very significant amount if the prosecutors prove their case.

And, we let this state decide the President.

Comment #340: Ohiodem1 said on 6/2/05 @ 7:22am ET...

Rep. Conyers' report is correctly named - "What Went Wrong in Ohio".

Coingate is certainly a symptom of the disease of one-party rule. It was reported yesterday that in one case, a coin purchased for $123,000.00 was sold for $0.01. Yes, that is right, one penny. Out of funds intended to be used for health care of injured workers.

Yesterday, the Ohio Senate passed Governor Taft's budget, which includes the Republican Income Tax cut which allocates almost half of the income tax savings to the top 10 per cent of filers, and dumps a 70 cent per pack tax on smokers who tend to be poor. Republicans call taxes on smokers, drinkers and gamblers "sin" taxes, I call them what they are, "addiction" taxes that impact most heavily on lower income families.

This Repubican Budget increases education funding by 2.2 and 1.9 per cent over two years, which maybe matches inflation. The budget freezes college education funding for two years and caps tuition increases at 6% per year, widening the gap between state support and what the students must come up with, i.e. saddling college graduates with larger student loan obligations to pay off, which helps the financial services industry, major Republican "investors".

The budget also freezes funding at current levels for 200 of Ohio's 612 districts, creates an academic distress commision to take over failing school districts, and diverts millions of dollars for an increase of 10,000 private school vouchers. That is, the Republican dominated Ohio legislature is cutting taxes for the rich, and sowing the seeds of destruction of our public school system, making college education more costly and less attainable for the lower income student. Ohio still has not come up with a school funding formula that meets constitutional muster. The formula has been declared unconstitutional by the Ohio Supreme Court FOUR times.

Oh, yes, they are cutting 40,000 people (the lowest income) from Medicaid. There is linkage in the Medicaid cuts with Federal Government policy, in that Medicaid is the largest unfunded mandate there is, and the Republican policy to destroy the Social Contract is coming to this program first. If you look at any state, you will find that Medicaid is a crisis in all states, not just Ohio.

There you have it, what's wrong with Ohio is one party government that has presided over the loss of 200,000 manufacturing jobs since we have established one party government at the federal level.

Source for budget Columbus Dispatch, June 2, 2005 - paraphrased, Page C1, C2.

Comment #341: Dave Rains said on 6/2/05 @ 9:01pm ET...

50 Bucks? are you running out of cocaine or something?

Comment #342: Treva L. Van Fossen said on 6/3/05 @ 5:27am ET...

I am proud to call Rep. Conyers my fellow American. Not only does this Congress member fight for his constituents, but for the rest of us in the truest sense of the American Spirit that is under attack today.

Thank You! Congressman Conyers! This gratitude is extended to others within the Congressional Black Caucus, as well as, to Congress members like Rep. Kucinich and Sen. Baxter. You inspire me to return to the Democratic Party.

Comment #343: Steve said on 6/3/05 @ 3:21pm ET...

Rep. Conyers,

I'll give you an amount reflective on the probable research with this project; one cent. You're research on your ridiculous religious intolerance resolution would bring a nickel (at least from the Islamo-fascists), so this must be crap.

I'll send you $50 when you actually decide to learn about the US Constitution.

By the way, do you take your lemmings along on your road shows?

Comment #344: Sherry said on 6/3/05 @ 6:07pm ET...

Steve #343 said, . . . You're research on your ridiculous religious intolerance resolution would bring a nickel (at least from the Islamo-fascists), so this must be crap . ..

Is that you Ed B? Your Islamophobia is showing, but your spelling is more in line with the drone, KAO. ("Your" research, not "you're" research)

KAO said he spent every waking moment studying Islam for a full year. Do you want to end up as obsessive as KAO? He must secretly love the message of Islam. Otherwise, he wouldn't be so immersed in it's dogma.

Also, don't let whoami catch you posting here. With only a few well-chosen words, she will chew you up and spit you back to Freeper Land. She is a big ol' liberal meanie, you know.

Comment #345: whoami said on 6/3/05 @ 8:47pm ET...

Don't get me into this, Sherry. I mean, it's nice of you to think of me, but I've had my sails deflated over on the Ohio thread.

It was fun for awhile, but this place has ceased to be fun for me.

Of course, I'll still check on Mr Conyers' progress regularly, but I'm not too much into posting anymore.

I hand the title of Troll Killer over to you.

Comment #346: paradox said on 6/3/05 @ 9:18pm ET...

Just donated $50.

Thanks for all that you do, Conyers.

You are a national treasure.

Comment #347: gi mama said on 6/3/05 @ 9:42pm ET...

wooHooo!! C-SPAN IN THE MORNIN"!!!
Washington Journal, will have THE Mr.Cobble, from..
www.afterDowningStreet.org
on the TV!!
7:45 AM(east)so get your cellphones charged UP! Set the alarm clocks 'n' tivos! :)
Finally! YEA!
also, pls. ck www.congress.org, for contact info, "Letters to Leaders"~LOTS of real PEOPLE are speaking OUT! wooHooo!

Comment #348: Steve said on 6/3/05 @ 10:11pm ET...

Sherry #344 said "Your Islamophobia is showing, but your spelling is more in line with the drone". You're probably right with the spelling.

Islamophobia, no. Islamo-fascist-phobia, yes. I would be just as worried about Christian fascists as I am with the parasites sucking the life out of Islam. Remember who flew the planes into the towers? I know it wasn't Druids, or Druidic fascists.

As far as my point on Rep. Conyers resolution being a violation of the First Amendment and that maybe he should take some time to read the US Constitution, I stand by it. If this resolution is any sign of the kind of work Conyers performs, his book on Ohio could be placed with the Harlequin Romance books at the grocery store.

Comment #349: Sherry said on 6/3/05 @ 10:49pm ET...

You can't retire, whoami! I have never encountered anyone as fast on their feet as you are! It is a joy to read your posts, even when you are not scolding trolls! But, I do understand. It gets tedious after awhile. Some people don't want to get past their bigotry and hate. They need to have enemies that are easy to hate. Don't let them get to you!

I could never be "Troll Killer." I am on a short leash here in Ohio. In the short time it has taken me to write this, I have had no less than six interruptions, three of them coming under the category of urgent. I am lucky to have a moment now and then to read the posts of all the wonderful people here and on Bradblog. I usually come late to the show, but the knowledge and entertainment I get from this knowledgeable group keeps me sane. :-) Gee. I haven't been over at Bradblog for a week or more! I hate that!

Take care, friend, and rest. You have earned it!

Comment #350: whoami said on 6/3/05 @ 11:08pm ET...

If it were trolls, I would have smoked them. It was "one of ours" that I disagreed with on a political matter, and he decided to hit me where I live.

Some of our trolls have enough class to keep it political. Some lefties turn it personal, and don't know when to lay off.

I'll be around, and if something sparks me, I'll post. I have a busy weekend ahead, and a busy week after that...so let's call this a long vacation, not a retirement.

Keep up the fight, Sherry. It's been fun.

Comment #351: P. Edward Murray said on 6/3/05 @ 11:38pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyers,

Just want to take a moment to say Thank You for all your work through the years!

You are a true American Patriot.

Presidents Adams & Jefferson I am sure are proud of you.

I wish you were my Congressman!

May God Bless you...

Ed Murray

Comment #352: Sherry said on 6/4/05 @ 1:27am ET...

Believe it or not, Steve #348, I agree with you on the Conyers' Resolution. I am against it and have said so in the Resolution comments section. I think it is dangerous to single out religion for special protection. I think Mr. Conyers drafted this resolution in response to the ongoing torture of detainees, which included the flushing of their holy book. In other words, he wrote it for the Bush Administration because they sanction torture.

I do not like to be told to respect something I do not respect. I do not have to be told that violence is wrong or not to commit bias-motivated crimes against anyone. We already have laws on the books for that sort of thing.

I hated Muslims with every beat of my heart after 9/11. But, I have had time to study and learn since that tragic day. I now know who was behind the attacks of 9/11 and it wasn't Muslims. Yes, the koran is a violent book and those who follow the violent teachings of that book would do harm to those who do not follow it if they could.

Our country is in grave danger, but it is not from islam. It is from the planners of PNAC. Read it. It was drafted in 1997, long before 9/11 and lays out the plan for America's Global Domination. You will find some very familiar signatures at the bottom of their "Statement Of Principals", people who are now in a position to make it happen.

Which brings us to the stolen elections. They were ready to launch their plan, Project For The New American Century, and they had to put the son of Bush Sr. into the presidency to make it happen. Bush Sr. controls the CIA. But, there was a big problem. Not many people liked GW. They perceived him as a rich spoiled kid, incoherent at times, and rather slow on the uptake. He lost the 2000 election, but papa was connected and coerced a judge to declare him President.

By the time 2004 rolled around, even his Christian base was beginning to have doubts. I live in the middle of the bible belt in Ohio, with a church on every corner. But, everyone I talked to here voted against Bush.

I am a realist. I don't believe everything I hear. I have to find out for myself and it has to be based on fact.. Exit polls don't lie. Kerry won the 2004 election, as did many other democratic contenders. This means that Bush never won the Presidency.

I don't hate Bush. I feel very sorry for him. He doesn't run anything. He is the figurehead put in place by Bush Sr. to allow the PNAC to go forward. GW doesn't even know what's going on half the time. Don't even ask me why Kerry, Edwards, Dean, and all the rest of the Dems, did not contest the election. I don't know. We may find out someday.

But, John Conyers came to Ohio and held hearings on the election. His report included many witnesses and hard evidence of machine tampering. Why did John Conyers do this? He was putting his career on the line to do it, yet he did it anyway. Did he do it because he is honest and caring? I don't know, because I don't know John Conyers personally. I can only judge him by his actions, and his actions were good in this instance. His actions appear good to me in many other instances too. I disagree on the Resolution, but I understand the meaning behind it.

The scary things I have learned are going on in our country now, has completely obliterated any party loyalty I ever had. Party loyalty pales in the face of our government's plan for world domination. I don't hate republicans. My whole family is republican. I was a republican for 40 years. The scary people occupying the W H now, are like parasites attached to the Republican Party. Republicans (myself included - although I never voted for bush) have been manipulated by these dangerous neocons. I hope that good people everywhere, regardless of party affiliation, will wake up in time to stop this madness before it is too late!

Comment #353: Kira said on 6/4/05 @ 3:07am ET...

#350 whoami

Damn. I've been attacked by people on "my side" on forums. It's most unpleasant, and has been because they didn't take time to get to know me or read my post in its entirety before lashing out.

I just read the threads you referred to. The other poster was inconsiderate and said some very hurtful things to you. I know how hard it must be for you worrying about your kids.

Hang tough. I can tell you're a good mom - you're smart and resourceful, considerate & compassionate.

I hate this illigitimate war with every fiber of my being. We, in this "community" remain committed to doing whatever we can with our (so far) supressed voices to end the war and stop this scary neoIdiot regime.

Love & light to you & yours!

Rest up & come back refreshed! (Listen to LouisCK & laugh!)

Here's a link to something I've been enjoying today:

... A little "Cheesy" humor anyone? ...

Cheese Emporium

Kira

Comment #354: Kira said on 6/4/05 @ 3:25am ET...

Thank you for that powerful post, Sherry.

I was always non-partisan in my thinking until the mid-90s when I heard the hateful rhetoric. After the unfathomable 2000 s*election and my research into PNAC and 9/11 and on and on ... I agree. This bunch is frightening.

Comment #355: Lennox Sweeney said on 6/4/05 @ 5:44am ET...

I'm honored to contribute. If our democracy survives the decade, John Conyers will be among the heroes most responsible.

Comment #356: Matt said on 6/4/05 @ 7:51am ET...

Shove it up your ass toast, you and your thirty something totally logic inept freepers can't hide anymore.

The whole world now sees your "selected" commander and chief as a fraud. The whole entire world, and the exit polls have just declared a crooked election.

http://www.cencus.gov/Press-Releease/www/releases/archives/voting/004986.html

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memo.html
http://www.thousandreasons.org/get_article.php?article_id=13

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/2002/11/04_Palast.html

http://www.cronus.com/electionfraud/
http://www.votersunite.org
http://rigged-aggregators.blogspot.com
http://americablog.blogspot.com
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2005/1116
http://huffingtonpost.com

This is your clear leaders....Liars and manipulators. You don't deal in "facts", you deal in talking-points from Sean Hannity.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/22/155525/061

Just come out and say it.....How can all the evidence be manufactured FREEPERS? How is it all completely baseless, liberal logic? Why do I know over a dozen conservatives who are more displeased with your bile spouting of lies, than even so called "liberal bias"?

Where IS the bias in the media at all when its now completeley owned by the far far right? Give me a break. You've shown your true colors, and that is of utter whoring stupidity. You are like animals now, phasing in and labeling every other damn person who disagrees with your logic a liberal.

You think they're all anti-american hating bigots who condone muslims. You have become the vehicle for Tom Brokaw and the rest of the tyrants to keep spouting their bullshit, in the face of the truth. That's how you'll be remembered.

Is that how you want it? 'Cause you will never be remembered as somehow saving the republican party or doing great deeds for your country. We don't live in Gilligan's Island, freepers.

Matt

Comment #357: Dwight said on 6/4/05 @ 1:02pm ET...

We need to get the word out. Most people I talk to have never heard of the Downing St. Memo. And many do not know who John Conyers is. Have we considered a leaflet drop. Or getting volunteers out to hand out leaflets at subway entrances and major thoroughfares?

Comment #358: Sherry said on 6/4/05 @ 7:09pm ET...

Thanks Kira # 354. I keep hoping that people will practice the lost art of thinking for themselves. My aunt listens to Limbaugh every day of her life. She wouldn't miss his program for anything. She has changed from a caring soft-spoken lady to a hate-filled, judgmental shrew.

Before the 2004 election, she found out that I wasn't voting for her boy. When I told her why, she asked me WHO I had been listening to. That was funny, because I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying, "Certainly not Rush Limbaugh!"

I told her that I wasn't LISTENING to anyone, but was forming my own conclusions based on information I have learned. She asked me WHO was providing this information. I said, "I search out the facts from various news organizations on the net."(and, I really was at the time. I hadn't found out about blogs yet)

"Oh Sherry," she said in her most 'dire warning' voice, "You can only get the TRUTH from listening to Faux News. I wish I knew then what I know now about faux, but I didn't at the time. It was probably good that I didn't. My aunt is in her 80's now, and I wouldn't have been able to resist setting her straight. :-)

Comment #359: Sherry said on 6/4/05 @ 8:38pm ET...

Great post to Whoami, Kira! I also went over and read the exchange between her and the other poster. Granted, it was 2:00 in the morning, and my brain wasn't at peak performance, but Whoami was right to question this extremist poster.

Because of a handful of criminals now running our country, this rude poster wants to throw his hands in the air and abandon America altogether. His attacks against whoami WERE personal and completely unacceptable. If he wants to call my country Amerikka (or whatever) then he is not fighting on the same side as I am!

I am fighting to save this great country! Yes, this country is still great! Why? Because of us! You and me and whoami and all the rest of the great patriots who post here, sign petitions, donate money, and stand behind those who are fighting for democracy! As long as there is one person who still believes in the freedoms outlined in our constitution, and is willing to fight to preserve those freedoms, America is Great!

Whoami, if you are reading this post, I want to echo what Kira has said. You are a great mother, a great patriot, and a great friend to us all. That other poster was a nut job. After all the hate he spewed, he signed his posts, "Peace." Paleeeze!! I would venture to guess there is no peace in his household!

This just reinforces my support of Mr. Conyers' Hate Crime bill. I think Mr. Peace is teetering on the precipice of becoming violent. He needs Jesus in his life. (that was sarcasm- because he claimed to be a Christian)

In any event, whoami, just consider the source, as my mom always told me. Anything that nut job said to you is null and void as far as I'm concerned! And, you, being the nice person you are, were gracious enough to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, you had him pegged from the start!

My mama also told me to always trust the hair on the back of your neck. :-) As soon as I read his first post, my hackles began to rise.

One more thing. Ha (maybe I needed this rant!) My nephew, who will be 24 the 30th of this month, has been training to go to Iraq. He comes home from training on the 8th and ships out to Iraq on the 17th. He is a member of the National Guard. He will be going to Ramadi.

I have begged and pleaded with him not to go into this illegal war, and so has his mom, but he will not listen. He is an honorable person, and doesn't want to be on the run for the rest of his life. He also has a wife and two children to consider.

When your children become adults, they make their own decisions. We can stand in the shadows and wring our hands, but we really don't have that much say in the decisions they make in their adult lives. We guide them while they are young and hope that we have given them the tools to make sensible decisions, but that is all we can do. Any parent who is still calling the shots for his adult children, is a nut job! Nuff said! :-)

Comment #360: Reg said on 6/5/05 @ 11:00pm ET...

If the corporate media had publicized the valiant efforts of John Conyers, tens of millions of Americans would know about this important petition.

As it is, the media in its cowardice and complicity have refused to give the Downing St. 'memo' any coverage of note. They are a disgrace to the nation and the blood of this war is largely on their hands.

Comment #361: SharonRB said on 6/6/05 @ 5:17pm ET...

I am so proud to be from a state that you represent. You are a lone voice in the Congress and I wish we had more like you. Your constant proactiveness is an inspiration -- the election fraud, the DSM, the Gannon/Guckert affair, etc. I and several others from Democratic Underground nominated you for the Detroit News' Michiganian of the Year and I was very disappointed that you did not win one of their slots. Maybe next year! Keep up the good work -- one of these days the rest of the country will hear what you have to say and will realize what has been going on. We will prevail in the end.

Comment #362: Colin said on 6/7/05 @ 4:41am ET...

Dear Mr Conyers

I am unable to contribute to your campaign funds as I am not an American and do not live in the USA. I would however like to say thankyou for your persistence and integrity in trying to hold this corrupt administration to account.

From all of us out hear that have seen the corruption and religious zealotry creep across your country like a canker, and draconian legislation that is striping the very freedoms your young people are fighting for in foreign lands we despair and hope that it will end soon.

It’s ironic that a major perpetrator of media bias and suppression in your country Mr Murdoch and Fox is also the owner of “The Times”. The difference between the two however is the English have reporters that ask the hard questions and don’t accept platitudes from politicians that don’t answer the question when asked.

For those who have not seen this, here is earlier evidence of the Intelligence fix that was perpetrated on the USA electorate and persued by the Bush Administration only nine days after 9/11 attack. The news item did not make it into your press as it was suppressed or not picked up due to the first early rounds of your favourite blood sport Presidential elections. Guardian Article April 4th 2004 the Downing street Minutes only add to the veracity of this article.
Link to story: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1185407,00.html

Keep up the pressure Mr Conyers we on the outside need a statesman like you to hold them accountable for the lies and to rekindle the “Dawns early light”

Comment #363: Colin said on 6/7/05 @ 4:41am ET...

Dear Mr Conyers

I am unable to contribute to your campaign funds as I am not an American and do not live in the USA. I would however like to say thankyou for your persistence and integrity in trying to hold this corrupt administration to account.

From all of us out hear that have seen the corruption and religious zealotry creep across your country like a canker, and draconian legislation that is striping the very freedoms your young people are fighting for in foreign lands we despair and hope that it will end soon.

It’s ironic that a major perpetrator of media bias and suppression in your country Mr Murdoch and Fox is also the owner of “The Times”. The difference between the two however is the English have reporters that ask the hard questions and don’t accept platitudes from politicians that don’t answer the question when asked.

For those who have not seen this, here is earlier evidence of the Intelligence fix that was perpetrated on the USA electorate and persued by the Bush Administration only nine days after 9/11 attack. The news item did not make it into your press as it was suppressed or not picked up due to the first early rounds of your favourite blood sport Presidential elections. Guardian Article April 4th 2004 the Downing street Minutes only add to the veracity of this article.
Link to story: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1185407,00.html

Keep up the pressure Mr Conyers we on the outside need a statesman like you to hold them accountable for the lies and to rekindle the “Dawns early light”

Comment #364: Colin said on 6/7/05 @ 4:42am ET...

Dear Mr Conyers

I am unable to contribute to your campaign funds as I am not an American and do not live in the USA. I would however like to say thankyou for your persistence and integrity in trying to hold this corrupt administration to account.

From all of us out hear that have seen the corruption and religious zealotry creep across your country like a canker, and draconian legislation that is striping the very freedoms your young people are fighting for in foreign lands we despair and hope that it will end soon.

It�s ironic that a major perpetrator of media bias and suppression in your country Mr Murdoch and Fox is also the owner of �The Times�. The difference between the two however is the English have reporters that ask the hard questions and don�t accept platitudes from politicians that don�t answer the question when asked.

For those who have not seen this, here is earlier evidence of the Intelligence fix that was perpetrated on the USA electorate and persued by the Bush Administration only nine days after 9/11 attack. The news item did not make it into your press as it was suppressed or not picked up due to the first early rounds of your favourite blood sport Presidential elections. Guardian Article April 4th 2004 the Downing street Minutes only add to the veracity of this article.
Link to story: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1185407,00.html

Keep up the pressure Mr Conyers we on the outside need a statesman like you to hold them accountable for the lies and to rekindle the �Dawns early light�

Comment #365: colin said on 6/7/05 @ 10:20am ET...

sorry for the 3 posts I had a glich with the beast

Comment #366: Jonathan Gold said on 6/7/05 @ 1:08pm ET...

Please watch the 9/11 Omission Hearings chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney. They will make you cry, but they will remind you what this is all about...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47

Comment #367: Ren said on 6/7/05 @ 2:11pm ET...

AMERICA

LAND OF THE SOMEWHAT FREE
HOME OF THE TERRORIZED FEARFUL SOULS

Everyone better wake up, there's a lot more going on in this world today. This is about Power, Respect, Money, Oil, Duty.

We need to make America about Families, Religion, Picnics, lower crime rates, more effective prison systems, a positive culture.

It recently occured to me, we should be egging the terrorists on, not bowing to their threats. By cowering in fear and believing it is our Government who should protect us, we are losing our freedoms.

If the Government takes away our Freedoms in times of Emergency, We'll never get em back! So Wakeup people, Sign the petition, Support Conyers, he's not a Weasel like the rest.

I would feel the same were this a democrat in office and he were accused of the same things. However something tells me, if it were a Democrat, the Downing Street Memo would be frontpage news. Bush has his hands in so many pockets nobody would Dare stand up to him. Not after what happened to Dan Rather!

And Now you now why the bogus documents were leaked, to get a major news corp in trouble, so that when the real evidence came out, Every media outlet would be too damn afraid to EVER stand up to Bush again.

WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER DEEPTHROAT,

WE NEED ANOTHER DAN RATHER!

Comment #368: Kira said on 6/7/05 @ 8:30pm ET...

Great post, Ren! Hear-Hear!!

Comment #369: Flora said on 6/8/05 @ 12:58pm ET...

Dear Rep. Conyers: I'm pretty sure what Gore Vidal wrote for your book is a foreword, not 'a forward.'

Comment #370: peter said on 6/8/05 @ 3:26pm ET...

What is the signature count up to??? anyone?? bueller?? bueller?

Comment #371: Jonathan Gold said on 6/8/05 @ 7:21pm ET...

Please watch the 9/11 Omission Hearings chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney.

They will make you cry, but they will remind you what this is all about.

The 9/11 Omission Hearings

Comment #372: Kira said on 6/8/05 @ 11:31pm ET...

Hi Sherry,
Sorry it took me so long to get back to your post#359. It's been a busy week and it appears things are heating up.

With bu$h's approval rating falling the way it is (gurgle ... gurgle ... gurgle) I think we need to hammer the MSM and our Congresspeople. Sign all the Impeach Bush petitions and all the DSM petitions. Keep emailing MSM & Congress. Move in while they're in a weakened position. What else can we do?

The son-in-law of one of my good friends is in the NG and already shipped out to Iraq a few weeks ago. His wife is giving birth in about a week. She's freakin' upset & has decided to have a c-section whether she needs it or not because that's the only way he will be allowed to come home for the birth.

I'm so worried that even if she does opt for c-section, the military will renig and not let him come home. I'm so worried for them. They have 2 other children and are poor as church mice. That's why he is in the National Guard.

It's just awful. IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!!

Comment #373: Stephen Lee Byrd said on 6/9/05 @ 12:05am ET...

I am so impressed with how you will stand up for what is morally right, even when very few others will. If we had more people like you in the Congress I would be a lot less disillusioned.
It was recently observed that we need more people in the Congress like we had in the early 1970s who were not afraid to open a Congressional investigation and let the chips fall where they may, even if they led to criminal indictments and impeachment of the President (Watergate, of course). We seem now to be foundering waiting for someone to step up to the plate and take us by the hand down that path (Ohio stolen election, Downing Street Minutes, war on false pretenses). But we wring our hands, and say where are the leaders to step up to the plate?
My observation is that you (Rep. Conyers, Sen. Boxer, Rep. Tubbs-Jones, etc.) have to accept that there is no one else to take the lead here. You are the senior leaders. There is no one else to pull it together but you.
The CW (Conventional Wisdom) is that you cannot do anything because your Party is not in majority control of the Congress. This is where we need to start thinking outside the box. You need to get shadow Congress investigations going to see whether we can deliver legally provable evidence which leads to criminal indictments and even impeachment.
That is my observation for today. And I hope it plants a seed in some minds. You are it! If you do not step up to the plate and seize the leadership initiative, then we really will have a different caliber of representation than in 1973-74, the 1770s or the 1780s. We probably really will lose our republic and our democracy to a fascist imperialist juggernaut.
One other thought I want to leave you with. Mexico, next year in 2006, will have a Presidential Election, and transparent democracy has grown there to the point where three (3) parties will have an actual chance of winning. The third party (the PRD) actually has the best chances of all of winning. Compare that with the declining democracy in the United States, where we are shuddering if the Neo-Con. Republicans will ever peacefully yield power in the future. We hear speculation from all around that this is the point where the Republic may be morphing into an Empire, with a crowned Emperor, a la Ancient Rome. We may never have an openly contested election with a peaceful yielding of power again. Unless we wake up and smell the coffee that there is no one else, we would have to take the leadership initiative to keep our democracy intact and alive.
But what a fundamental embarassment! Mexico is showing a tremendous upward trajectory of democracy, right at the time we in the United States seem ready to give away the store of what was handed to us on a silver platter from our previous generations.
Do we wake up or do we allow this fat-assed complacency to lull us to sleep while we give away the store? It makes me sputtering and delirious with outrage to even think about it.

Comment #374: Michael Farias said on 6/9/05 @ 12:30pm ET...

Mr. Conyers thank you so much for giving all of us hope. This president has betrayed the pact between the commander in chief and the military to only use them when ABSOLUTELY necessary.

Words cannot express my gratitude. Thank You Mr. Conyers. Thank You for saving America.

Comment #375: Gary W. Banister said on 6/9/05 @ 1:31pm ET...

To The (Most) Honorable John Coyers and those reading,

I have thought long and hard about what I am going to post here because I want it to mean something.
I do not want to appear pessimistic to everyone, however, we must face a terrible fact here. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a military/industrial dictatorship. As such this dictatorship does not, has not, and never will follow any laws but the ones they chose to.
Therefore, though I do applaud and support your effort in creating this letter to be sent to the White House, the letter is created with the misconception that those that read it in the White House (if any do) will abide by the will of the people and indeed investigate.
The one BIG flaw in such thinking is that the dictator cares.
I don't know what the answer is but we must first identify what the problem is and openly state that we do infact live in this military/dictatorship. Then we must chose if we wnat to continue to live under such oppression and contiue from there.
Mr. Conyers I'm sure you know what I am saying is true and I wish you and those that fight with you the very best of luck.

Comment #376: Kitty Gambler said on 6/10/05 @ 4:48am ET...

#375 (Gary) -

I agree with you that the administration does not care, nor do any corporate media barons care, about the concerns raised in the letter. I believe that Congressman Conyers is gathering the hundreds of thousand of email "signatures" as a prop turkey of sorts so that he and 89 of his fellow Congress members can march on the White House and force some media attention on the Downing Street Memo and Bush's refusal to answer the questions that they previously submitted to him.

It should be interesting to see whether President bars the White House gates to prevent delivery of the letter and email signatures, or else dispatches an aide to accept them. Either way, Bush can no longer simply ignore the questions in the letter--and neither can the media.

Thank you, Mr. Conyers.

Comment #377: jeff white said on 6/11/05 @ 12:38am ET...

Mr. Conyers:

I am a man who has lost any faith I may ever have had that we live in a democracy. It is clear to me that if we did, American government wouldn't be what it is today, and what is has been for at least the last 50 years or so.

I don't vote...though I see on your sidebar that "every vote counts." Um...really? Is that what this whole "What went wrong in Ohio" exercise is about? And surely we know that it wasn't just Ohio, just as it wasn't just Florida in 2000. There was a nationwide problem that happened to erupt, through the electoral college mess, in Ohio.

But I didn't write merely to be cynical. I wrote because I moved to Michigan a couple of years ago, and have been following your record for the last while. I wrote because I'm proud when I read in the paper about what you're saying and doing. I wrote because I was happy to send along the fifty bucks (though bucks are getting thin around here in this brave new world), since you thought they would help. I trust you to know that.

My sister lives in Ohio. Shortly after the election, I told her (as I am wont to do...she is very patient) that I believed the election was stolen. If you really send me a signed copy of your book, I will read it, but more importantly I will present it to her. It will help her, I'm sure.

This is why: neither one of us is happy with the current state of governmental affairs. But we differ, because she still believes that we're a democratic nation. She believes that her fellow citizens really WANT things to be this way. I may not have faith in the government right now, but I do have faith in people. Though we are a species that needs some work, everyone I know has, at root, our best interests in mind. We may disagree about what those interests are, but we can agree that we want the best for ourselves. The folks in power have nothing like our best interests in mind. It really is a dramatically small minority that brings us to the point to which we've come. Which, of course, doesn't much match up to any sane definition of democracy.

Also, I really believe that this small minority is acting with increasing desperation. The seams are beginning to unravel, and they're shoring up things the best they can. Soon, enough of the truth will come out that they will be powerless. Thanks for your role in that.

All the best to you,

jeff

Comment #378: Mike said on 6/11/05 @ 7:57am ET...

Like they said the point of bringing the letter to the white house is not to demonstrate anything.

It's to force the president to be shown in public, and possibly have to answer the questions. Either way it goes on the record.

Conyers and company will have to appoint a special counsel like stated and unilaterally investigate the abuses. Whatever decent republicans who care for this country, they likely will join in as well to see just how many abuses there are.

Investigate, then prosecute and impeach. It doesn't all happen at once. The letter is only the first step to getting the real light shined once and for all, on the downing street minutes

Mike

Comment #379: Mike said on 6/11/05 @ 7:58am ET...

Like they said the point of bringing the letter to the white house is not to demonstrate anything.

It's to force the president to be shown in public, and possibly have to answer the questions. Either way it goes on the record.

Conyers and company will have to appoint a special counsel like stated and unilaterally investigate the abuses. Whatever decent republicans who care for this country, they likely will join in as well to see just how many abuses there are.

Investigate, then prosecute and impeach. It doesn't all happen at once. The letter is only the first step to getting the real light shined once and for all, on the downing street minutes

Mike

Comment #380: Jeff Daniel said on 6/11/05 @ 2:02pm ET...

"Mr" Conyers....you are a sorry excuse for an American...and so are those who "think" like you do.

Comment #381: Jonathan Gold said on 6/11/05 @ 4:11pm ET...

A Lesson In 9/11 Research
By Jon Gold

Comment #382: Mike said on 6/11/05 @ 10:41pm ET...

Latest from the BRAD RADIO SHOW,

Kerry covering up Ohio scam until he broke ranks, NM machines were rigged, someone asked Kerry workers to hack machines.

Brand new interview with Bob Fitrakis

Bradshow radio commentary:

Evidence released that proves Blackwell, Bush crony had illegal tabulator access!!!!

Press release dated November 27th, released through state troopers. He has it now. Unbelievable!

These guys have absolutely no shame http://www.bradshow.com

Comment #383: Mike said on 6/12/05 @ 12:55am ET...

Hey Jeff Daniel (#380), what a compelling argument. I never really thought about your point. And you express it so well. So articulate. I particularly like how you expand on your thesis with well-reasoned conclusions.

Geez, maybe you're right ... maybe Bush is the best ... or on the other hand, maybe you're dis-assembling ...

I just don't know - it's so hard, with these well-rounded republican counter-arguments ! If only you guys weren't so darn smart.

Comment #384: Jonathan Gold said on 6/12/05 @ 1:45pm ET...

Watch the 9/11 Omission Hearings chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney. 9/11 was an attack by our own Government.

The 9/11 Omission Hearings

Comment #385: cimogo said on 6/12/05 @ 6:02pm ET...

Mr. Conyers,

You are one of the few voices of reason in the darkness of this fascist republican domination. From Ohio to Downing street to the hearings on the patriot act, you stand there in the shadow of the crime shining light on the evidence. May the Gods of all traditions bless you 10,000 times, may the people recognize the truth you seek and the truth that you speak, and may America, with your guidance, find its way back to the road of decency and humanity.

With the utmost respect, support, and gratitude.

Comment #386: Cheryl Locke said on 6/12/05 @ 8:40pm ET...

Dear Honorable Mr. Conyers,

I do not donate money to anyone, because of I feel misuse of contributions is rampant.

However, since my uncle turned me on to your movement, I watched people signing the DSM letter by the tens of thousands a day.

You have started the ball rolling to get this administration out of office.

Your courage, love for your country and fellow Americans is surely a breath of fresh air.

I will be honored to donate to your cause, but please do not send your book about Ohio.

What happened in Ohio, and Florida for that matter, was so obvious to me I predicted that would be the next place they will throw the election and it was.

Actually I didn't predict it, I just stopped and really listened to what Bush was saying. Just like Hitler, he has been saying all along what he intends to do.

No one wants to believe that we have another Hitler on our hands,but the record shows this is the case.

So, I thank you with my very soul.
Blessed Be!

Comment #387: Cheryl Locke said on 6/12/05 @ 9:17pm ET...

Dear Honorable Mr. Conyers,

I do not donate money to anyone, because of I feel misuse of contributions is rampant.

However, since my uncle turned me on to your movement, I watched people signing the DSM letter by the tens of thousands a day.

You have started the ball rolling to get this administration out of office.

Your courage, love for your country and fellow Americans is surely a breath of fresh air.

I will be honored to donate to your cause, but please do not send your book about Ohio.

What happened in Ohio, and Florida for that matter, was so obvious to me I predicted that would be the next place they will throw the election and it was.

Actually I didn't predict it, I just stopped and really listened to what Bush was saying. Just like Hitler, he has been saying all along what he intends to do.

No one wants to believe that we have another Hitler on our hands,but the record shows this is the case.

So, I thank you with my very soul.
Blessed Be!

Comment #388: Gatekeeper said on 6/12/05 @ 11:30pm ET...

I think it would be nice if someone set up a webpage that pulled all of the good stuff off of Conyers' forum -- without the trolls! That way, those of us who are really curious about the serious comments could do so without having to scan over the crap. We need a troll-free zone!

Comment #389: Mike said on 6/13/05 @ 9:03am ET...

No need to limit free speech, Gatekeeper.

There's only a few of them.

What I WOULD support is a limit on the length of posts.

Since their arguments are so easily defeated, clearly they've turned to just trying to swamp the scene with volume.

Comment #390: rev. chas. f. fisch said on 6/13/05 @ 2:31pm ET...

Dear Rep. Conyers: Limbaugh is doing everything possible to AVOID the DSM issue... if it wasnt so obvious, it could be funny... But, it is so obvious, that it is sad, but not funny...

You all(democrats) need to attack these right wing NeoCons of the airwaves HARD... do all you can to discredit them... Challenge their half-witted opinions... And somebody remind Limbaugh, Clinton is no longer in the political spotlight... And he cant run again... Every time they want to get the right wing fired up, they resort to Clinton bashing... Maybe WE should do some BUSH bashing, or even Reagan bashing... anything that we can do to combat their views!!

Thanks for all you are doing on DSM.... and God's blessings be with you all!!

Comment #391: Andrew Geair said on 6/14/05 @ 8:56am ET...

Did you know that Dr Robert Pastor highly placed at American University was a top Carter official at the Carter Center and is also The Executive Director of the James Baker Commission set up to derail the investigation into 2000 and 2004 election fraud??!
The same guy working both sides of the fence!

Comment #392: Andrew Geair said on 6/14/05 @ 9:19am ET...

Did you know that Habitat for Humanity funding (work being done by unpaid vounteers)is being channeled to Jimmy Carter to run the Carter Center and conduct his political activities??!

Did you know that the Virginia State Police Oranization which is continuously seeking contributions is located in Ohio and the funding is being used to support politicians who support guns an the arms industry??!

How many seemingly worthy charities are channelling the contributions made to them to support politicians who may have completely different agendas??

Comment #393: Mike said on 6/14/05 @ 9:52am ET...

Well, Andrew, I think the various exemptions built in to the tax code for churches & preachers would have to top the list ...

Comment #394: Ren said on 6/14/05 @ 12:05pm ET...

I setup a chatroom to speak about the Downing Street Memo. I'll hangout there and ya'll should too.

Click on my name for a direct link or copy/paste this into your browser.

http://chat.parachat.com/roam/login.html?room=Downing_Street_Memo_Chat&width=600&height=400&bg=009900&fg=EFEFEF', 'parachat', 'width=600,height=400,location=no,menubar=no

Comment #395: Scott Caplan said on 6/15/05 @ 5:43am ET...

Does anybody here know how to set up an RSS feed for this site?

Thanks,
Scott

Comment #396: Yikes said on 6/15/05 @ 3:39pm ET...

"...with an amazing FORWARD by Gore Vidal..."

"...edited by the Cookie Monster..."

Comment #397: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 8:22am ET...

The state of Ohio was in the national spotlight in the last election for problems ranging from long lines, misinformation on Election Day, and faulty voting machines. Since November 2nd, we have been working hard in Ohio1 in all aspects of electoral reform - from participating in the recount efforts to lobbying for more voter-oriented election laws.

Unfortunately, I am writing today about another political scandal, popularly known as "Coingate," rocking the Buckeye State's one-party ruling establishment, which apparently has failed to properly manage a major state fund and keep it free from corrupting political influence. We need you to take action today demanding that Governor Bob Taft (R) clean up this mess:

http://www.commoncause.org/InvestigateCoingate

The story begins with Thomas Noe,2 a rare-coin dealer and Republican financial backer, who has been a player in Ohio politics for years. Noe is at the center of a major scandal and is under investigation for the loss of up to $12 million worth of rare coins that were part of a dubious $50 million investment by the state workers' compensation fund he was responsible for managing.3

While Noe cannot account for millions of Ohio taxpayers' dollars, he has contributed thousands to the campaigns of President Bush and state Republican leaders, including Governor Bob Taft (R), Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell (R) and Attorney General Jim Petro (R).4

Even the state Supreme Court has been affected by the Noe scandal. Recently, 5 of the 7 justices recused themselves from cases involving Noe because they had received contributions from him.5

And the fallout from the "Coingate" scandal has reached beyond Ohio. Noe is a focus of a federal investigation in his role as a Pioneer for President Bush's 2004 reelection campaign, responsible for raising at least $100,000 for the President.6 He is accused of violating federal campaign finance law by reimbursing donors who gave to the President's campaign committee.

While Noe's beneficiaries are falling over backwards to disassociate themselves from him, Ohioans are waiting answers as to how their tax dollars fell through the cracks.

Given the wide swath of Noe's influence in a state dominated by the Republican party in all branches of government, the only way that we can get to the truth is to enlist an independent investigator to thoroughly examine these allegations.

Please sign our petition today asking Governor Taft to appoint an independent investigator to get answers to these serious questions:

http://www.commoncause.org/InvestigateCoingate

There is a saying that "as Ohio goes, so goes the nation." This scandal may have originated in Columbus State House, but it has affected the entire nation. The stories from last two weeks have shown that this scandal has connections and national implications, reverberating from the White House in Washington D.C. to the Governor's mansion in Sacramento, California.6 So, please sign our petition today, and after you have signed it, make sure to pass it on to everyone you know:

http://www.commoncause.org/InvestigateCoingate

Thank you again for all you do to hold power accountable.

Sincerely,

Chellie Pingree
President & CEO, Common Cause

Comment #398: john said on 6/16/05 @ 10:02am ET...

Thanks for giving attention to the DSM, now we need an investigation on this issue just like Ken Star did when he went after President Clinton for his lie about his affair with an intern. This is far more serious and we need to find the truth good or bad. The PNAC neo cons wanted this war in Iraq in the early nineties. If our leaders are guilty of war crimes we should find out and do what is necessary to repair this broken nation.
This country is in deep trouble and is more divided than in any time in our history. We need to repair and heal or we are going to continue to have a silent civil war that will one day destroy this nation. My fear is that it may already be too late as our government has so many secrets we have no way to know just how much damage has been done.

Comment #399: Joan Jarowski said on 6/16/05 @ 11:03am ET...

Dear Mr. Conyers, I made my contribution to your campaign 19 days ago and am still without my complimentary copy of "What Went Wrong in Ohio".

Please don't keep me waiting any longer.

Comment #400: Mick said on 6/16/05 @ 11:51am ET...

I live in the UK and cannot believe that the media in the UK has almost completely ignored the DSM etc. I have been on the Stop the War site together with the left groups newspapers and there appears to be nothing there either. I have just texted people to look out for reports on the news both UK and US for anything on the hearings today and have had texts back stating 'what downing street memo'.
I have sent e mail after e mail to the media over here but most of them had covered the issue as far as they were concerned because Tony Bliar said it was wrong.
I have sent details of both the DSM and a copy of Confronting the Evidence, A call to reopen the 9-11 Investigation to my Member of Parliament(MP) and asked for his comments, I have had no reply, my MP is Hilary Benn the Secretary of State for the Department For International Development and a Cabinet Member, who chose to believe Tony Bliar re WMD's when his father Tony Benn a retired MP and Cabinet Member went to speak with Saddam prior to 20th March 2003 and told the world that Saddam had no WMD's. Bliar and New Labour preach family values yet here we have a son not believing his father.
Mr Conyers your stand should be on every front page of every paper in the world, if we want peace then the lies and deceit of our politicians must be exposed in order to stop others from invading other countries by means of lies and propaganda.
Many many thanks for standing up to the murderers.

Comment #401: Jonathan Gold said on 6/16/05 @ 1:21pm ET...

Please watch the 9/11 Omission Hearings chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney. They will make you cry, but they will remind you what this is all about.

The 9/11 Omission Hearings

Comment #402: Voted Many Times said on 6/16/05 @ 11:55pm ET...

I did my part!

Comment #403: Pullama Finger said on 6/16/05 @ 11:56pm ET...

Dear Rep. Conyers,

I recieved your book. I was really impressed with the crayon illustrations and the typical Useful Idiot scribble in all it's unhinged Howard Dean-like wonder. Hope you are not too upset that my credit card payment was reversed.

I have to admit - I enjoy kicking your party's tail. Guys like you and the rest of the Pacifica Radio/Democracy Now knuckleheads make it too easy. It was more fun when the kookizoids were marginalized.

But beggars can't be choosers right? You clowns are what passes for the mainstream of the DNC now! Oh well, gotta work with what you got. Ah...I do love the smell of defeated commie in the morning!

Comment #404: Jennie said on 6/17/05 @ 5:35am ET...

Hey, Pullama Finger, "Hank" Rove. I honestly am wondering given the facts that if sending the troops to be killed 1700+ and mamed,god only knows how many, all the while innocent men, women and children in Iraq 100,000+ enduring unspeakable horrors, you must be criminally insane. It has been exposed that a napalm like substance has been used as well. You don't even realize that the behemoth of riches the people making money on this war also own most of the mainstream networks.
Why don't yu rejoice that the lies are exposed, this illigitimate pRESIDENT will stop hurting us with his "LEAVE NO BILLIONAIRE BEHIND" policies, and of course our beloved strong and brave troops won't be bloodied up anymore? The poor people of Iraq won't be enduring the miseries we've put upon them. Many of the "insurgents" are really just enfuriated Iraqis that are angrily, painfully resisting and retaliating for having lost so many loved ones by means of the midnight invasions into thier homes, and bombings. Does it bother you that we use depleted uranium, which causes cancer, birth defects, blood diseases?
Did you know that these soldiers you proclaim to love now are bearing children that are horribly deformed? You have got to come to grips with the fact that the Bush family is one of the biggest war profiteers. Your Patriotism has been exploited. You have been used by these pricks. Why don't you get mad at them? Be willing to open your mind to those alternative news sources that are'nt making money off the war, but are willing to persevere in reverence for the truth. As you bellow the "righteousness" of war, why don't you make real sure what you are standing behind is the absolute truth. Otherwise, you may be having nightmares of bathing in blood.

Comment #405: clapton said on 6/17/05 @ 9:31am ET...

Thanks all for launching the Mighty Torpedoes... they are running TRUE on course!

Comment #406: Team America said on 6/17/05 @ 11:51am ET...

Hey Dims! Thanks for the laughs! This 'investigation' will have as much impact as Enron, Abu Grahaib, Plame etc. Keep up the good work losers! America! Fuck Yeah!

Comment #407: GreyHawk said on 6/17/05 @ 11:59am ET...

Military Covering-up True Soldier Death Toll: Number now over 6,000

US Military Report: The High Death Rates exposed by Brian Harring

U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter

There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded* (See note below. This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on �

[...]

Note: The only deaths being reported are those on the ground in Iraq. They are not reporting deaths occuring later in hospitals, etc. due to serious injuries.

Comment #408: john said on 6/17/05 @ 12:15pm ET...

Thanks to Pullama Finger. Keep showing your true colors, we need to see and smell the truth. What happened "turn the other cheek" "blessed is the peace maker" "love your enemies" "bless those who curse you". Being pessimistic our government has so many secrets that unfold daily such the Downing St. memos, I fear it may be too late to correct our course. I am not proud to say we are becoming the most hated nation on Earth and the world does not care what we think or if we are moral or just in our ideas as they judge us by deeds rather than words.

In a letter dated Jan. 26,1998 to then President Bill Clinton, a conservative think tank with prominent members such as Elliott Abrams. William Bennett. Jeb Bush.
Dick Cheney. Robert Kagan. William Kristol. Richard Perle. Karl Rove ..
called the PNAC or "The Project for the New American Century" had already planned to invade Iraq and sent this letter of their intentions to President Clinton for their personal goals, as there was no known threat by Saddam or WMDs in 1998. With this much planning of 4 plus years prior to the invasion of Iraq, I can only ponder if the next war has already been planned and is ready to implement. To cause more alarm we have a new 21th century generation of nukes and China is building a military force as never before seen in world history. We may never know the truth and who we can believe in either political party when so many lies have surfaced such as the 9 related Downing St. memos.

We were told the WMDs were a slam dunk and now it seems we were the ones being dunked; we must remember, China may make our shoes but they are not our friends. Since we are the only current world super power who else is China building this super army for? Who else could pose a real threat to them?? Think about it.
John

Comment #409: Hashit Madrawers said on 6/17/05 @ 12:28pm ET...

Keep reaching you idiot - eventually it will dawn on all of you that there is no "there" there.

Comment #410: john said on 6/17/05 @ 6:09pm ET...

Hashit Madrawers, please stay with us and let the world see you in your true colors. I appreciate you as you give me job security. I world with the handicapped. Jesus loves you but he may be the only one. I look forward to post from fools.
John

Comment #411: Steve said on 6/17/05 @ 10:16pm ET...

Hee hee hee hee hee!!! I see a replay, on CSPAN2, of Conyers playing a member of Congress. So, why didn't he bring out his tea set for the little boys and girls? Does Conyers want to be a "real" Senator like Dork Durbin?

Impeach Bush? How about impeach Conyers? Like Durbin, Conyers is a disgrace to America. How many Americans have to die before Conyers retires and lets a real American represent this district? How many, over 40 years, have died being "served" by Representative Conyers?

Comment #412: john said on 6/17/05 @ 11:01pm ET...

Steve,
Why don't you run for congress? Why wait for Mr. Conyers to retire? Are you a real American?
I hope to see your real name Mr. Dork listed to run for this office; Hee hee hee. I think you may be a little silly boy. John

Comment #413: Sam Pekenpah said on 6/17/05 @ 11:23pm ET...

Helpful him.

Cut and paste this message below and send it to your congress and senate peoples NOW!!!!

http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/39

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Sir or Mam,

Why are you people so blatantly direlect in your duty to do something about the "DOWNING STREET MEMOS" story?

This is the biggest story since the al-cia-da 911 drill and FACTUALLY reveals the lies responsible for all the deaths of the American soldiers in the illegal war in Iraq. Where is your patriotic spirit and why aren't you doing your civic duty by VOTING FOR IMPEACHMENT NOW!IT WILL SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES!!

It's terrible that the media is so GOV controlled. Everyone knows more about world news from alternative news sources and the emerging leader in reporting truth, C-Span. This nation is tired of being lied to. My family and I as well as all those in our Christian Church are not watching any more TV or buying anymore news papers ever again in our lives. The call is going out to all the Christians across America to stop buying newspapers and to turn off the lying TV.

We as an awakening and growing larger group of Americans are tired of the propaganda, lies, and "Wag the Dog" antics. We are already planing to vote out many of the people who have supported the corrupt regime of the Bush Cabal.

You are guilty for the deaths of those that die everyday as this illegal war drags on.
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!!You are bigger criminals then those that perpetuated this illegal war and 911 because you all keep dragging the dead horse on and on in the face of everyone knowing what liars and disinformation artists the media and leadership is.
Imagine how foolish you all look lying to people who know your lying!

WE DO NOT WANT YOUR LIES ANYMORE!

Signed,

A disgruntled REPUBLICAN.

REAL REPORTING!

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code;=CS2

http://www.guardian.co.uk/salon/story/0,14752,1509059,00.html

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=686

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506170006

http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17downing.ready.html&OQ;=adxnnlQ3D1Q26adxnnlxQ3D1119033142-Q2BqzJsODbZThDhLFK6PoQ2Beg&OP;=1061bbbf/.kqQ60._mH-6mmKF.F))N.)Q22.Q3AQ25.ZmhBKBH-.Q3AQ25_mkjBjRd6q!_Q27dQ3DKAh

http://influenzapandemic.blogspot.com/

http://cbs4.com/health/health_story_331135531.html

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/050616/16avian.htm

http://www.nutrimedical.com/conditions.jhtml?method=view&conditions.id;=148

Comment #414: Steve said on 6/17/05 @ 11:38pm ET...

John,

Steve is my real name, little boy John, if that is your real name. As a conservative, I won't subject my family to the leftist press that Conyers panders to. I have dignity and self-respect, unlike Conyers and Dork Durbin.

Like real Americans, I have to work for a living while. And I get to do this while living in a sea of anti-American Democratic (and liberal) Senators who dare to say they represent me (Durbin and Obama). I didn't vote for these a$$clowns and don't recognize them as Senators. Since Conyers is a long-time Democratic politician, and being from Illinois and seeing first-hand what long-time Democratic politicians do, Conyers doesn't work for a living and doesn't have a real job. How many months of vacation time can Conyers take?

Even though Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago is a Democrat, at least he's an American who believes in the defense of America, not like the garbage spewed by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or John Conyers. That's better than the stupid Durbin, or the delusional Congressman Conyers.

Hey, John, maybe you should take a look at pictures of true victims, not anyone Conyers thinks are victims. Find the pictures of those who are leaping from the WTC on 9/11 trying to avoid being burned to death. Then find the video, with sound, of Nick Berg being beheaded by those whose religion Conyers wants to pander to. Conyers, like evey other Democrat in any office, is a joke and a disgrace.

Comment #415: Steve said on 6/17/05 @ 11:59pm ET...

Sam #413,

What's your point? Six of your links talk about Bush. The last four have to do with bird flu. What is your point? And I don't believe you are a disgruntled Republican. You sound more like a panderer to a liberal lobby group.

Comment #416: Chris Allen said on 6/18/05 @ 3:36am ET...

I owe you $50 for taking my signature to the White House. Check is on the way.
Thank you.

Comment #417: drxyzzy said on 6/18/05 @ 8:42am ET...

Thanks, Congressman Conyers. I have added the DU website to my bookmarks, along with democracynow.org, conyersblog.us, and rawstory.com.

Is a transcript of the June 16 forum posted yet?

Comment #418: Grace A said on 6/18/05 @ 9:45am ET...

Mr. Conyers
You sir, are a hero. Please ignore the hate-filled, illogical and ignorant comments by some people on this blog. I'm sure you already know that by now, but I wanted to be a voice of encouragement for you. If these poor people are so blinded by their fear and bigotry that they cannot see what is really happening in the Bush Administration, then I'm afraid they're lost. But, conversely, there are so many intelligent, generous, open-minded people who know the truth and want to help. We will make this country the land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. We must do this. Bigotry and greed must not be our legacy. Thank you, Mr. Conyers, for your bravery. I am thrilled to make a contribution.

Comment #419: Steve said on 6/18/05 @ 11:27am ET...

Ha ha ha, busted.

The Conyers tea party the other night has now drawn the ire of the looniest moonbat, DNC Chairman Howard Dean. Seems Dean didn't like the anti-Semitic documents and rhetoric that came out of this sham, especially the stuff that implies Israel is behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the US is helping Israel dominate the Middle East.

Conyers supporters are "intelligent, generous, and open-minded"? Some probably truly are. Seems like many are "hate-filled, illogical, and ignorant", and even Howard Dean chastises them.

Comment #420: *is toast said on 6/18/05 @ 6:12pm ET...

This has legs * is toast.

Comment #421: Monica (Bubba's Swoon) said on 6/18/05 @ 6:16pm ET...

Dear john, I want to suck your 2" dick.
Can you please continue to "forget" about this nation's security and concentrate more on feel good legislation?

Also, I would like to have another sex change operation, can you please return the $10.00 sent to you by all the DUmmed Down dcemocRATS from the democRAT BLUNDERground DUmpsters?
Thank you!

Pee Ess: I spent my $300.00 tax rebate on crack!
How about you?

Comment #422: Steve said on 6/18/05 @ 8:44pm ET...

I don't know how I missed this. Conyers' first paragraph in the post is:

"As regular readers of this blog know, I have never asked for a contribution on it. Today, I am compelled to break that pristine record. Raising money is an unfortunate reality of politics and, when you do not side with corporations and other special interests on legislation, you turn to ordinary Americans for help."

First off regular readers, it seems Mr. Conyers does side with some corporate PACs and special interest groups. Turns out 72% of the financing for his 2004 campaign came from PACs of all kinds. 52% of that money came from corporate PACs. Most of the rest seems to have come from unions. So I guess he actually does side with corporations and other special interest groups. Here's the link for you: http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.asp?ID=MI14&cycle;=2004&special;=N

And second, his first sentence is a hoot. Of course he's never asked for contribution on this blog. He didn't have a blog until February of this year, after the election, when he didn't need your money. The next campaign is starting up so now he needs your money.

Conyers is a treasure. Much like that idiot Senator of mine, Dick Durbin.

Comment #423: john said on 6/19/05 @ 12:53am ET...

Steve I tried to pull you out and you came out as I thought. Now we know you are a redneck and if you could meet me you would like me and call me sir.. Keep showing your true colors as rascin, raslin, religion and racisms has got to go. I am sickened by republicans but working with the handicapped I know you can't grasp reality. My number is 666 .
John

Comment #424: john said on 6/19/05 @ 1:03am ET...

Steve I admire Congressman Conyers and you know that he is doing a good job of telling the truth about our new Nazi party. America won then and we will win now. Just relax and enjoy the ride as the house of cards is about to fall for war crimes.
John

Comment #425: Rick Walters-Iraq said on 6/19/05 @ 1:04am ET...

Dear Mr Conyers,
I have just read the story in the washington post about your mock hearings. I am fighting in Iraq right now and I will be here for 6 more months. Please do not keep giving the anti-iraqi-forces more to keep fighting for. I have seen with my own eyes the good the American Troops are doing here. When AIF supporters have a protest consisting of 200 people it's a front page story, it's never reported that over 9 million did not protest. I met a girl from Tikirt, which was Saddam's home town and the HQ of the Republican Guard. She remembered when she was a small child Saddam's soldiers would come to her villege and line up the people and pull the young girls to work in the palaces and for the soldiers. Anyone trying to stop them would be shot. She had aunts and cousins she never saw again and one girl that returned said she had been raped by every soldier in the unit. She was so thankful Mr. Conyers and the tears in her eyes showed it. I know of no soldier that would not risk his life to stop such things from spredding to the rest of the world. Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere. I am sure you beleave this. Evil can only exsist when good men fail to act. President Bush is a good man and he has acted please do the right thing and get behind him just as I am sure you would be if it were a democrate in office.

Rick Walters
CPT
US Cavalry
Tennessee Army National Guard
Diyala, Iraq

Comment #426: john said on 6/19/05 @ 1:48am ET...

Rick, there's over 100,000 Iraqis who have been killed by bombs and can't cry that did not want to fight America. They were women, children and the elderly.
I admire all the armed forces for wanting to do the right thing. You have a big heart but you should be home protecting our borders.
The remark about good people failing to act was from Einstein and he was very anti-war.

I admire your courage but America needs you to be protect us here. Iraqi is not a threat to America, the WMDs they had in the nineties came from the US. You are not fighting just Iraqis but the entire Muslim world and there's more of them than of us over there. I hope you come home safe. I fear that every time you kill one Muslin 10 more will go over to take his place. You are hated because they think you are the infidel and war will not change their minds. they want to die for allah and many Americans don't think you should die for Allah. You military leaders have said we can not win this war on the ground.
I wish I had better news but we don't want you or any others to die over there over a lie you can't
erase.
John

Comment #427: Steve said on 6/19/05 @ 3:08am ET...

john,

It's admirable that you don't want people to die. But try to get some perspective.

Answer me these questions and follow them up with sources:

1. Did the human garbage that make up Al Qaeda cause 9/11?
2. Were we right in invading Afghanistan?
3. Should we remain in Afghanistan until scumbag bin Laden is caught or killed?
4. Did Saddam Hussein support terrorism and harbor terrorists?
5. Did members of Al Qaeda meet with Hussein's officials before 9/11?
6. Did members of Al Qaeda reside in Iraq before 9/11 under Saddam Hussein's protection?
7. Did members of Al Qaeda reside in Iraq, under Saddam Hussein's protection, before the US invaded Iraq?

Comment #428: bobbymo said on 6/19/05 @ 9:37am ET...

Drop dead you stupid fucking asshole

Comment #429: Steve said on 6/19/05 @ 10:07am ET...

I'll answer each of my questions.

1. Yes. Bin Laden admitted as such on a videotape sent to Al-Jazeera in 2001.
2. Yes, because the Taliban government of Afghanistan was harboring bin Laden and the other Al-Qaeda criminals.
3. Yes. He must answer for his crimes.
4. Yes. A March 13, 2003 BBC News article points out that Hussein paid families of Hamas homicide bombers. Hamas is a terrorist group.
5. Yes. Adnkronos International (AKI) reported on May 23, 2005 that documents from Hussein's regime, made public by former Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, and statements made by King Abdullah of Jordan regarding Zarqawi, confirm Al-Qaeda was being protected by Saddam Hussein. These documents are not copies, unlike the DSM.
6. See 5.
7. See 5.

This continued insistence on "Bush lied about WMDs" (all intelligence agencies got this wrong, not just America's), and the questionable allegations made by "copies" of the DSM, is just amazing. When President Bush went to the UN in September, 2002, outlining what Iraq had to do to avoid military action, WMDs were the first point. Here are the others (from the transcript on the White House website):

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all support for terrorism and act to suppress it, as all states are required to do by U.N. Security Council resolutions."

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkomans, and others, again as required by Security Council resolutions."

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account for all Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown. It will return the remains of any who are deceased, return stolen property, accept liability for losses resulting from the invasion of Kuwait, and fully cooperate with international efforts to resolve these issues, as required by Security Council resolutions."

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. It will accept U.N. administration of funds from that program, to ensure that the money is used fairly and promptly for the benefit of the Iraqi people."

Clearly, Saddam Hussein didn't do any of these things. With Saddam directly supporting Al-Qaeda, he was a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. And the only part of the Muslim world we are fighting are the vile and degenerate vermin that are members of Al-Qaeda and the genocidal maniacs that support them. People on this site may not like it, but these are the facts.

Comment #430: john said on 6/19/05 @ 10:39am ET...

Steve, I hate all religions, not just muslims. My fear is that this country is so divided that we will soon have a civil war here. I think we have a silent civil war going on now as both political extremes hate each other. I can tell by your post you hate me and other liberals. Look at Howard Dean, he is mad as hell and he is a man smart enough to rise above that but he can't. If we have Jihad at home we will make Osama happy and save him the trouble of continuing his war. Saddam is a bad man but he did not plan 9/11 nor did he pose an immediate threat to US. If I was the president I would have kept bombing him but never will he be worth allowing one American to die. As far as Afghanistan I would nuke them until Osama was killed with all his fanatical Muslim buddies that do pose a threat.

I fought in Vietnam and war did not work there either. I lost a leg there and to what end.
John

Comment #431: Joe said on 6/19/05 @ 12:26pm ET...

"Rick, there's over 100,000 Iraqis who have been killed by bombs and can't cry that did not want to fight America. They were women, children and the elderly."

A long since discredited phony number from the lancet. And how convenient that they were all women, children, and the elderly. Apparently males, young males, never become casualties in a war. And you left out the basket of puppies in your propaganda.

Comment #432: john said on 6/19/05 @ 12:30pm ET...

Joe,
Isn't it true that no life has value to right wing christian neocons? People or puppies; don't you all love to kill for Jesus.?
John

Comment #433: Joe said on 6/19/05 @ 12:37pm ET...

"Isn't it true that no life has value to right wing christian neocons? People or puppies; don't you all love to kill for Jesus.?"

To your first question, from my observation, I'd say that's not true. To your second question, I wouldn't know, John. I'm an athiest.

Comment #434: john said on 6/19/05 @ 12:39pm ET...

This has become a right wing christian, republiklan whining outlet. I wish all conservatives could go to Bagdad and show how much you love this war and how much you love to kill and hate your fellow man.
John.

Comment #435: john said on 6/19/05 @ 12:43pm ET...

Joe,
I think your god lives in DC.

Comment #436: somaking said on 6/19/05 @ 12:53pm ET...

John Conyers,

We thank you for supporting the demise of the Democratic Party.

You Guys Are Finished !!

Comment #437: john said on 6/19/05 @ 1:01pm ET...

Miss somaking; Mr. Conyers has the courage to stand up to the enemy and you are the enemy. Perhaps we are finished but we will all stand together or be hanged together and I'll take it any way you want to send. You are a terrorist to insult a US congressman. In sult me Missie, I am a veteran. You don't have the guts to use a real name girllie.
John

Comment #438: renato said on 6/19/05 @ 2:04pm ET...

I love you John Conyers. I would love to see you and Barbara Boxer run for the White House!!!!

Comment #439: Steve said on 6/19/05 @ 2:07pm ET...

john,

It may not mean much, but thank you for doing something I couldn't do, serve in the military. I'm sorry you lost your leg.

I don't hate you, I don't hate Rep. Conyers, I don't hate liberals. I hate Saddam Hussein, I hate Osama bin Laden, I hate Al Qaeda, and I would fight anyone trying to impose the sick and degenerate Al Qaeda version of Islam on me.

The vermin we are fighting wants the world to revert to the 8th Century. They are parasites using modern technology they couldn't develop themselves to destroy everyone else. You may not like this, but they've wanted us dead or subjugated for 12 years since the first WTC bombing.

It's starting to look more and more like Saddam was involved with Al Qaeda degenerates before 9/11, even if he wasn't directly involved. Had we known that then, the Downing Street Memos would be more pointless than they are. Believe it. If all of this is true, and there's no reason to think otherwise, Rep. Conyers is barking up the wrong tree.

Comment #440: john said on 6/19/05 @ 2:16pm ET...

Thanks Steve for your kindness, I don't hate you either. I also dislike muslims and christians, as well as all religions. Look up the PNAC on google and also look up Prescott Bush who was HW dad, Prescott was a Nazi. No one benefited more from 9/11 than Bush.
john

Comment #441: BegoniaBuzzkill said on 6/19/05 @ 2:29pm ET...

The simple and documented fact that the "threats posed by Sadam Hossein" used by Bush and then Blair to "dupe the public morons" into supporting a regime change in Iraq ALL CAME FROM AN AMERICAN STUDENT'S THESIS THAT WAS TWELVE YEARS OLD.....is not lost on the rest of the world.

It only seems to be "lost" on the morons/sheeple in this nation.

This will NOT go away.........

Comment #442: john said on 6/19/05 @ 2:37pm ET...

Thank you BegoniaBuzzkill you have guts.

This is worth reading if you want learn more about our government..

www.globalresearch.ca

John

Comment #443: rick walters-Iraq said on 6/19/05 @ 3:39pm ET...

Mr Conyers Quote:

"You are not fighting just Iraqis but the entire Muslim world and there are more of them than of us over there. I hope you come home safe. I fear that every time you kill one Muslin 10 more will go over to take his place. You are hated because they think you are the infidel and war will not change their minds. They want to die for Allah and many Americans don't think you should die for Allah. You military leaders have said we can not win this war on the ground. I wish I had better news but we don't want you or any others to die over there over a lie you can't erase."

Mr. Conyers,

I can not believe you have that kind of prejudices against the Arab people. I have met so many here in Iraq that are good hard-working people. They have become our friends. If you get to know them you will see we have much more in common then we do different. They just want to raze their children in a better world and with Saddam gone it is a better world. We have over 10,000 Iraq Army troops at our post and we are teaching them and they are not afraid to fight. We are taking out the foreign fighters every day. We have started city councils and school boards and the Iraqi people are longing to determine their own destiny and It will not be against us. For you to say all Muslims want to kill us is just like someone in the US saying all us blacks like watermelon. I thought you might have moved past that kind of thinking. It is bad for the world. You should get behind the troops and the President and let�s help the people of Iraq and the Arab world instead of condemning them all for the actions of a few. It has taken me coming to Iraq and seeing it with my own eyes to realize that. When I read the comments at this blog, all I see looks like a bunch of children playing got-ya, nan-nan-nan, 3 years ago this proves it, we got-ya, we-got ya. it's ridiculous. We are in Iraq and the only way to get out is to see the plan through and let the elections here happen and the leaders here lead, unless you feel they are too stupid to do it, "you know those kind of people just want to kill us". If we pull out like we did in Vietnam, the same thing will happen to the people that tried to help us there and the friends we have made here will be killed because the country will perceive the new government weak and the few will win. In Vietnam over 200,000 people were killed after we pulled out and another 1,000,000 in Cambodia. We cannot let those atrocities happen again. So please stop your detrimental games with the lives of the troops hanging in the balance, we can win have just have a little faith in us. Please go to the blog by a LT in our unit if you want to really see what we are doing here in Iraq. http://iraq.billhobbs.com/

By the way �The remark about evil could only exist when good people fail to act was from Einstein and he was very anti-war.� A guy by the name of Sun Tzu said it about 2000 years before Einstein was born, he wrote the "Art of War".

Rick Walters
CPT
TNARNG
Dyiala, Iraq

Comment #444: Rick Walters-Iraq said on 6/19/05 @ 4:51pm ET...

English philosopher Edmund Burke also had a version that said, �The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.

Rick Walters
CPT
US Cavalry
TNARNG
Diyala, Iraq

Comment #445: Kim said on 6/19/05 @ 5:12pm ET...

Hello,

First: Thank you for what you are doing, it is much appreciated.

Second: I signed the letter, used my po box as my address, and did not include an email address. Will my signature be counted?

Peace,
Kim

Comment #446: john said on 6/19/05 @ 7:20pm ET...

Rick, you may want to read the Quran but then the Bible is just as full of hate, spite and revenge from a loving god. Muslims and Christians have been killing each other for hundred of years. Do you think all the people in Iraq want the US there. Where are the flowers the troops would be greeted with? I know the military has to brainwash the troops but some people do not swallow all the cool aide or Jesus juice to get stoned on war and murder. It is a reality that we have a religious war and I hate all religions, not just one or two.
John

Comment #447: Steve said on 6/19/05 @ 10:42pm ET...

john,

In all seriousness, I'd like to know what happened to you after you came back from Vietnam. Were you spit on, called baby-killer, ignored? I truly would like to know.

Speaking as just a guy who prays to God once in awhile (not Christianity, not Judiasm, not Islam), I agree with this being a religious war, but not in the way you think. Al Qaeda is preaching a deviant and degenerate religion and parasitically hijacking the word Islam to describe it. You know what this compares to? The deviant and degenerate religion known as Nazism. The problem is too many imams, clerics, and ayatollahs are riding on the coattails of Al Qaeda to gain authority instead of speaking out.

Rick is correct; the Iraqis want our assistance to cleanse them of the filth that is Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

Comment #448: john said on 6/20/05 @ 12:47am ET...

Yes, people treated me like an animal, I felt like an animal and yes I was called a baby killer. Soldiers did what they were told to do. Babies were killed, and every horror you can think of happened. We were not sent there to save lives, we were trained to take lives. At age 18 and being afraid every second I got to the point I wanted to die. Having lost any desire to preserve my life made it easier for me to not care about the life of others even losing my buddies did not hurt at the time as I became numb and I felt they were lucky to go home even in a box. Every bad thing I saw still haunts me today. I am glad Bush got daddy to keep him safe, I would have ask the same of my dad if he had the friends in DC Bush had. He was not a coward he was too drunk to be afraid.
Steve, war is never going to end, our government keeps doing the same thing over and over and expects different results. I had hoped we had learned to leave others alone after Nam as we should not be the police of the world but we are.
I am an atheist and I see no god coming to save us. I do feel we did what Osama wanted by going to Iraq and he uses our mistakes to build his army of terrorist. Our leaders are his rectuitment posters.
Look at allposters.com and type in Bush and see the posters they can buy from us.
I do not think Bush is in any way in charge of anything. Cheney is our King and I get sick thinking about our young soldiers being killed and knowing what they feel. I think if we supported them they would be looking for Osama and friends but the US gov does not want to kill Osama. His family has millions invested in our economy and we will never find him. He will die of old age and we may not ever know when or where that happens. We should leave the middle east and tell our Jewish friend to call us if they need us. I think they have nukes and will use them in a few months if Iran does not back down. When Iran is bombed I think Israel will feel the heat of the entire region. We will defend the Jews and China will hit us on our main land. Osama wins again if he gets someone else to desroy America.

I hope I am wrong but I see no way out. I don't think social security will matter if we are all dead. If I were you I would stop praying and built a bomb shelter or move to Canada. I live alone on a very old but solid sailboat mostly solar powered electronics and I plan to leave the East Coast after the Hurricane season for parts unknown and I will not return.

Again I am sorry for being unkind to anyone here I am just so angry that we are so dependent on Arab oil and most of you cannot leave as the majority of the world hates us and does not care if we are nuked. The Bush royals have a bunker and you don't.
I fear Bush far more than Osama and think also Osama will never be able to kill as many people as our government as we do have WMD and lots of them That's were Saddam got his from Ollie North to fight Iran. We are no angels or real Christians we are what Faux news tells us to be.
John

Comment #449: Rick Walters-Iraq said on 6/20/05 @ 1:29am ET...

Dear John,

I think you may need help. You may have some issues dealing with the reality you need to deal with. No one should be that bitter. It is not good for you and this blog may not be helping. Please call the Army One Sourse they may be able to help you. Their number is 1-800-464-8107. They will not brainwash you, they are there to help all vets. You have 150,000 troops here in Iraq that love and respect your service. Why do you throw your support behind the very people that spit on you treated you like animals and called you names?

Comment #450: Rick Walters-Iraq said on 6/20/05 @ 2:07am ET...

Oh-oh,

Here we go again. If you don't like the way something is going you just make up something. Move over Dan Rather.

June 19, 2005
Did Lucy Ramirez Find The Downing Street Memos?
The media and the Leftists have had a field day with the Downing Street memos that they claim imply that the Bush administration lied about the intelligence on WMD in order to justify the attack on Iraq. Despite the fact that none of the memos actually say that, none of them quote any officials or any documents, and that the text of the memos show that the British government worried about the deployment of WMD by Saddam against Coalition troops, Kuwait and/or Israel, the meme continues to survive.

Until tonight, however, no one questioned the authenticity of the documents provided by the Times of London. That has now changed, as Times reporter Michael Smith admitted that the memos he used are not originals, but retyped copies (via LGF and CQ reader Sapper):

The eight memos � all labeled "secret" or "confidential" � were first obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

Readers of this site should recall this set of circumstances from last year. The Killian memos at the center of CBS' 60 Minutes Wednesday report on George Bush' National Guard service supposedly went through the same laundry service as the Downing Street Memos. Bill Burkett, once he'd been outed as the source of the now-disgraced Killian memos, claimed that a woman named Lucy Ramirez provided them to him -- but that he made copies and burned the originals to protect her identity or that of her source.

Why would a reporter do such a thing? While reporters need to protect their sources, at some point stories based on official documents will require authentication -- and as we have seen with the Killian memos, copies make that impossible. The AP gets a "senior British official" to assert that the content "appeared authentic", which only means that the content seems to match what he thinks he knows.

This, in fact, could very well be another case of "fake but accurate", where documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past. One fact certainly stands out -- Michael Smith cannot authenticate the copies. And absent that authentication, they lose their value as evidence of anything.

Besides, as the AP report makes clear, the two governments sincerely worried about the deployment of WMD despite the allegations of those who fixate on one sentence of one memo. The latest issue coming from the memos, according to its proponents, is the alleged statement by Blair that WMD programs had not progressed. However, it also points out why 9/11 made all the difference in the approach to Iraq:

The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was determined to go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
"The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam Hussein's WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a typed copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated Press and written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

"But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show much advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but have not, as far as we know, been stepped up."

All of the Western nations had intelligence that matched with the Bush/Blair determination that Saddam had not disposed of his WMD stocks. Prior to 9/11, the Western approach of waiting Saddam out appeared adequate. After 9/11, the existence of those WMD stocks clearly was intolerable, given Saddam's involvement with terrorist groups in the past -- including hosting an al-Qaeda convention, of sorts, in 1999.

Even if these memos could be authenticated, they're still meaningless. They could only excite the kind of idiots that would hold mock impeachment hearings with four witnesses and no authority whatsoever.

UPDATE and BUMP to top: Welcome to Instapundit and The Corner readers! I'll let this ride to the top all morning today.

UPDATE II: Marc at USS Neverdock says that the story gets even more bizarre at Rawstory:

�I first photocopied them to ensure they were on our paper and returned the originals, which were on government paper and therefore government property, to the source,� he added. [...]
�It was these photocopies that I worked on, destroying them shortly before we went to press on Sept 17, 2004,� he added. �Before we destroyed them the legal desk secretary typed the text up on an old fashioned typewriter.�

Why an old-fashioned typewriter? Why not just retype them on a computer, if you've already decided not to work from the originals? It looks like an attempt to fake people into believing that the documents produced by Smith were the originals.

This story gets nuttier and nuttier.

UPDATE III: Despite what Truck says in the comments, a lack of protest from Downing Street after being asked to authenticate retyped copies of alleged minutes of secret meetings does NOT constitute verification. The same exact argument came up with the Killian memos in Rathergate and the Newsweek Qu'ran-flushing report last month. In both cases, the documents or sources turned out to be fakes. It's the reporters' job to provide verification, not simply a demurral by officials to opine on their authenticity. If that isn't obvious, then centuries of evidentiary procedure in American and English common law have gone for naught, as well as traditions of journalistic responsibility and professionalism. After all, this argument just means that reporters can type out anything they like and the burden of proof shifts from the accuser to the accused in proving them false -- hardly the process endorsed in libel and slander cases in the US, at least.

UPDATE IV: The port side of the blogosphere seems a bit unhappy to hear that the DSM are fakes, but I'm not making this up. The reporter himself says that he retyped the memos on an old-style manual typewriter and destroyed either the originals (AP) or working copies from which he worked (Rawstory). In effect, he created mock-ups -- and that means the memos provided by the Times in PDF format are fakes.

John at Power Line says that the memos would make more ridiculous claims if they were fakes. However, there's a difference between fakes and frauds. Giving Smith the full benefit of the doubt and assuming the originals really exist and that he transcribed them perfectly, they're fakes but the information could, indeed, be accurate. The problem is that we can't authenticate them, and a series of demurrals from Tony Blair and other British officials don't amount to authentication, either. It doesn't help that Smith went to such weird lengths -- such as the manual typewriter and artificially aging the appearance through multiple copying -- to produce the information.

The Killian memos were both fakes and frauds, as even CBS's expert stated in their final report, although laughingly Kevin's commentors continue to argue that they're neither. We know for certain the DSMs are fakes -- and because of that, we can't help but assume the DSMs are fraudulent absent positive authentication.

Jonah Goldberg also finds the "wingnut" charges less than credible.

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Comment #451: Jo said on 6/20/05 @ 3:20am ET...

Hi. I'm new to this conversation but I have been following it the last couple of days. John I have been reading your posts with great interest. I was a teenager during the Viet Nam war and I remember the pain Vividly. So many of the kids I grew up with died. Two of my brothers went to Vietnam My youngest brother died 3 months after he returned from the war in an "accident". He had PTS so badly he would lock himself in his room at night and tell us not to open it for any reason.I can still hear his horrible screams. A few years later my brother-in-law hung himself. He served 2 tours in the war while an 18 year old marine. We loved him dearly. Shortly before his death he said he could hear his buddies voices talking to him at night. My husband was in the Navy.He is a quadriplegic. (the war wasn't good to him either). I can guess how bad you feel John, but I can't know . I appreciate your service. Like you I support the investigation into the memo's. For me it's about truth. If they are fake ,fine, let the chips fall where they may. If they are accurate we need to know. We can't let the president take us into a costly war because he has a grudge or wants to be a war hero by proxy. Rick, MANY people I love were spit on and called names and told they deserve to suffer for their "crimes". I am not throwing my support to these misguided people. I am throwing my support behind truth and accountability. Soldiers go where they are sent. It is our responsibility to send them only when necessary. I want to know it was necessary, but like John I am doubtful. I have a teenaged son who often talks about being a soldier. He has heard mostly the good things about his father and uncles service and he is proud. So was his cousin,the son of the Marine. He died in action (not in war) several years ago. We are willing to sacrifice but I want the goal to match the sacrifice

Comment #452: Rick Walters - Iraq said on 6/20/05 @ 5:43am ET...

Dear Jo,

Thank you for your support. I have traveled all over Iraq with my job here. I was not a full time soldier I am a member of a National Guard Unit and a citizen soldier. I go where I am sent and after being sent here to Iraq I know it was the right thing to do. Do you think isolation was the answer for these folks? He had started wars and was oppressing the people here. He would give safe haven to any bad guy that wanted to kill us. There were so many pictures plastered on the wall of saddam smoking a cigar and smiling with the WTC burning in the back ground. I have been to Halajba where I was the tombs of thousands of children that had died in their mothers arms from the poison gas bombs of saddam. We have spoken with Iraq Soldiers that stated they drove the trucks of weapons to Syria, before the US liberation. Saddam thought when we did not find them his people would run us out of here but they turned on him. This is a new world and we can no longer allow folks like that to be in charge of any country. We must eliminate the places for the terrorist to find refuge, this it the first rule of stopping them. The people of Afghanistan were the first to prove that it works. They are Muslim and they have changed. No one ever talks about that. Yes, there are a few making trouble but they are on the run. I remember the President standing on the rubble of the World Trade Center telling us that things have changed and we are in for a long war. I feel if America gets behind him and the Troops and let them do their jobs this time the world will change. Unlike Vietnam we have the support of the people here or at least 95% you would never know that by watching CNN. But it is true, I'm here, I see it everyday and when we return to the US we will be shouting it from the rooftops. Look at the changes already in the Middle East. Do you think those changes would have occurred without us going into Iraq? NO.

The people here are thankful for our help and are taking charge of their country soon it will be like a snowball rolling down hill. We will return with our children one day to show them our contributions to helping build a democracy here. Did you know there has never been a war between 2 democracies? We are our worst enemy with all our suspicions and conspiracy theories. Just because we had past Presidents that have lied and cheated we need to have a little faith that they will do what�s good for the nation. The unrelenting attacks and fake memos have got to stop.

Rick Walters
CPT
US Cavalry
TNARNG
Diyala, Iraq

Comment #453: john said on 6/20/05 @ 9:03am ET...

Dear Rick,
I think you may need help also.
Rick, I hope your learn the language and stay there since you love the folks in Bagdad so much. I feel insulted by your post. Perhaps the happy Iraqis think you are their god.
In Vietdamn the folks I worked with during the day were the folks killing us at night.
You are the person spitting on me now with your insults. The Army has helped me lose the weight of a leg and dozens of friends and family members. I hope you get their help also. I am glad you love it there but this blog was about finding the truth about the rush to war and if it is a legal war. If we are wrong we will say so and shut up. As I read your post I hear the cries of people burning alive and I see children with no arms and bodies with no eyes or a head. Again stay there where you are happy. I have faith in you and I wish I could send you money to buy a house there, that would help you and me. John

Comment #454: john said on 6/20/05 @ 9:12am ET...

Rich,
Since you now own this site I'll let you have it and I'll read in silence. Please keep up the good work; I know Carl Rove loves you and can get you a job with Halliburton or Fauz News. Keep the insults coming perhaps I can send you my leg for lunch.
John Evers

Comment #455: Steve said on 6/20/05 @ 9:41am ET...

john,

I thank you for your military service and sorry you lost your leg and weren't respected for defending the nation.

But, I'm with Rick on this. The Downing Street Memos, even if not fake, prove nothing. I've read enough of them to see this. On the other hands, European news agencies are reporting that Al Qaeda scum were in Iraq and being protected by Saddam going back to 1999. Why hasn't the American media said a word about this? Why haven't Congress mentioned any of this?

My guess is I'll never agree with you or other Conyers supporters and you'll never agree with me (or Rick). But I will continue to voice my opinion here just like liberals comment on conservative blogs.

Comment #456: john said on 6/20/05 @ 10:33am ET...

We need your opinions here comrade, you have a lot to share. You are helping us and so is Rick. The SS and Hitler thought they were doing god's will and so are you. I am practicing my goose step now with one leg; Opps, I promised Rick I would shut up. He has a great propaganda program but we see through it.
John

Comment #457: LynnTheDem said on 6/20/05 @ 1:34pm ET...

The UN has NEVER sanctioned "no-fly zones" in Iraq.

Those "no-fly zones" were UNILATERALLY decided by the US and the UK and have always been ILLEGAL.

The UN has NEVER sanctioned them, and has NEVER sanctioned the almost-daily-for-a-decade bombing of them.

NEVER.

And every time bush & Cartel & the rightwingnut pundits and the US msm refer to them as "the UN-sanctioned no-fly zones", they are, in fact, LYING.

Comment #458: Jo said on 6/20/05 @ 5:34pm ET...

I really would like to see this war end on a happy note but what I am seeing lately is like deja vu. Even if the memo disappears today and nobody mentions it again the president still has to come up with a workable plan quick to get the nation united . It seems to be following a predictable pattern that I've seen before. First everyone is happy and waving flags and we are going to kill the Communists (or terrorists). Young men enlist eagerly. Every casualty is named and recorded. Second, the war drags on, children are rigged with grenades, the enemy/villagers blend together,casualties are high,the monetary costs are high, People stop enlisting.The public learns their leaders have not been honest with them. The insurgency goes on and on and on. The puplic wants this thing done already. Third, Veterans hospitals are over filled and under funded, we have to draft soldiers, We still can't tell the enemy from the friendlies, everyone at home has gotten on with their happy lives and they don't care anymore how the war is going. I see this happening. My husband is paying more for his medications from the Va, and is having trouble getting his appointments scheduled.Enlistment down,nobody knows what the death toll is. Personally I separate the soldier from the war. I remember the Va hospital during the Vietnam war. People laying on gernies in the hallway.My husband was given such a rickity wheelchair it fell apart and he broke his paralyzed legs. the president is a puplic servant not a king. He needs to get a plan soon because public support is going down. The flags are not flying in front of every house and car anymore. We need to get this thing moving while people are still in the mood for a victory parade.

Comment #459: john the liberal said on 6/20/05 @ 5:57pm ET...

Bush is more of a which is defined as
A monarch is a type of ruler or head of state. The word derives from Greek monos archein, meaning "one ruler", and in ancient Greece it was used to designate an absolute ruler. With time, the word has been succeeded in this meaning by others, like autocrat or dictator, and the word monarch has become a more general term.

We must remeber Bush did his part in the military. He did Rocket Surgery. He is a genius, and a war hero.
john
John

Comment #460: hcocdr said on 6/21/05 @ 7:07am ET...

You know John maybe you should not vote for him when he runs for his 3rd term.

Comment #461: Posted by a friend of CDB He came to Iraq Conyers is afraid said on 6/21/05 @ 8:23am ET...

This is the last in a series of articles I�ve written concerning our recent trip to Southwest Asia. In this piece I will deal with the war in Iraq and some conclusions I have drawn upon personal observation and conversations with military personnel who serve in the area.

There are lots of half-truths, untruths and fallacies connected with the war in Iraq. Most can be blamed on an agenda driven, sensation-seeking media and many can be laid at the feet of self-serving politicians.

I only wish that America could know the truth, could talk to the brave men and women who fight the war on terrorism, and take their views and experiences into account. For instance, there�s the incident of the TV reporter who was embedded with an American patrol who came across a member of the Iraqi security forces who had accidentally shot himself with his own pistol.

When the piece came out on TV the reporter claimed that they had encountered light resistance rather than a self inflicted gunshot wound, which was an out and out, fabricated lie. Did you ever see a CNN shot of the Iraqi people on the ground waving at the Blackhawk helicopter crews who fly over them on a daily basis? I saw it, why can�t NBC? I think it would be a source of comfort to the parents of the young men and women fighting in Iraq to see that the Iraqi people are grateful and friendly to the troops.

Did ABC ever show a picture of the country north of Baghdad where there is plenty of water and arable land, where the terrain is green and the flocks of sheep and cattle feed on plentiful grass? Are they afraid you�ll find out that there is more than oil in Iraq, a place that could possibly be the breadbasket of southwest Asia, given a little peace and education?

Why can�t they tell you about the progress the Kurdish people have made since Saddam�s reign of terror has been ended, that they practice a degree of hygiene and cleanliness practically unknown in that part of the world, that they send their children to school and, given a period of time without war could develop into a prosperous people?

Why can�t they tell you that many of the insurgents are not Iraqis, but terrorist riff raff from all over the Middle East who have come to the area, not to fight for Iraq, but to kill Americans, a task they are bent on accomplishing whether it be in Southwest Asia or in Northeast America?

Why can�t they tell you about the schools and hospitals that have opened since the war? Why can�t they tell you about the million plus and growing numbers of Iraqis who are now working for a living wage?

There is a certain company who some politicians and media claim are involved in construction in Iraq and other places because of political patronage. I will not mention the name of the company. I have no stock in it or any of its subsidiaries so their P and L statements mean nothing to me. But what I would like to tell you is that this particular company is not there because of political patronage but because they get the job done, fast and efficient, which means the difference between our troops living in comfortable quarters or living in tents, between having hardened chow halls safe from mortar attacks or eating behind a piece of canvas or ply board.

And don�t take the New York Times word, nor mine either for that matter. Talk to any base commander in the theater. There are a lot of civilian personnel in Iraq and it has nothing to do with political patronage. It�s simply that when the more mundane tasks are taken care of by civilians, it leaves the military free to fight the war.

Mr. Kennedy, Ms. Boxer and all the rest of you politicians who so adamantly proclaim that the war in Iraq is a mistake, I dare you to take a trip over there and fly on board the C130�s and the Blackhawk helicopters cruising just 75 feet above the ground. Take a look at the mud huts the people live in, the shepherds who still tend flocks of sheep, the abject poverty and squalor of Baghdad.

Then go and visit one of Saddam�s 200 lavish palaces, you might even visit the building where Uday and his cohorts had their parties and sent thugs to the University to kidnap young girls to be used and abused for the night. You want stability in that troubled part of the world? Well it�s happening. Why can�t you encourage it instead of belittling what is being done?

Do you still claim that Saddam didn�t have weapons of mass destruction? Well go to northern Iraq and ask the Kurds. I think they can probably convince you otherwise.

Pray for our troops.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

Comment #462: Flag waver said on 6/21/05 @ 8:30am ET...

Isnt it wonderful all the income Haliburton is making off the tax payers, they use our soldiers to clear the way for McDonalds, Wal-Mart and the World Bank to hook up the Iraq people to the money milking machines as they have done to the sleep walking Americans who are now waking up. Thousands of people died in the name of Corporate Greed, Lies and Treason. May all the war criminals stand trial now for their crimes against the world community. I dont care if your a Democrat or a Republican WAKE UP people we are loosing our freedom in the name of Facist American Royalty who will own it all if we let them. May the Truth of 911 also come forward. The Truth will set us ALL free!

Comment #463: Jo said on 6/21/05 @ 10:39am ET...

I pray for our troops. They didn't start the war. They didn't give a no bid contract to Halibuton. They accoplished what we sent them to do. Secure Saddam and stop his wmd activities ( that part was easy since he didn't have any). Bring them home now and we can have a big ticker tape parade! I'll bring the balloons. The longer they stay the more it looks like another war I remember and would hope not to repeat.

Comment #464: Mel said on 6/21/05 @ 12:25pm ET...

Representative Conyers I just had to write my thank you to you. You are a true American hero. Today I sent my contribution and look forward to the book on the travesty of the vote in Ohio. I will return to contribute again for your work on the Downing Street Memo. Only critical thinking about our government will save our democracy. How easy it is to convince the stupid to go to war and to stay there even if it is unjust and immoral. How easy it is to get the corporate media to walk in step knowing that they will also profit. Please keep up the good work. Thanks to you and your supporters, Mel

Comment #465: john the liberal said on 6/21/05 @ 1:01pm ET...

Representative Conyers,
I too want thank you for having the courage to search for the truth.
If we listened to the Christian Reich, Hitler or his gang would rule the world. The Christians funded him and helped him kill millions. We don't need another Hitler for them to prop but they will if people like you do not say no. I know we cannot debate them but the truth is hard for them to swallow, but too bad. Hitler is dead and they have a new leader.

Thanks again for telling the truth.
John

Comment #466: Con Yers said on 6/21/05 @ 6:51pm ET...

Its Bush's War record again and the news went for it.

Its happened because of Kofi's Oil for Food Memo.

Who is gonna resign this time?

Comment #467: john the liberal said on 6/21/05 @ 7:23pm ET...

Look at the bright side the neo cons got a president and the second coming with Bush. Could they be more excited? I guess they'll want their own jihad soon, and people ask why I hate religion.
I mean HATE.
John

Comment #468: Jonathan Gold said on 6/21/05 @ 7:34pm ET...

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Comment #469: Jo said on 6/21/05 @ 10:17pm ET...

I'm gone. John, take care. Rick, I wish you well. I really do hope everything goes well for you.Thanks for being a good hearted person who cares for others. I have no doubt you are a great guy. I still think you are being used for a small man's personal agenda. You are much more than people like george bush can ever appreciate, When they can't use you anymore you become waste paper to them. Saddly I have first hand experience in this area. You seem too young and innocent to understand what comes after the war. The homeless drunks living under bridges are mostly war veterans. This is the thank you you get.The sooner the president comes up with a plan to unite this nation and end this war successfully the better it will be for you.Trust me. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

Comment #470: Jo said on 6/21/05 @ 10:19pm ET...

I'm gone. John, take care. Rick, I wish you well. I really do hope everything goes well for you.Thanks for being a good hearted person who cares for others. I have no doubt you are a great guy. I still think you are being used for a small man's personal agenda. You are much more than people like george bush can ever appreciate, When they can't use you anymore you become waste paper to them. Saddly I have first hand experience in this area. You seem too young and innocent to understand what comes after the war. The homeless drunks living under bridges are mostly war veterans. This is the thank you you get.The sooner the president comes up with a plan to unite this nation and end this war successfully the better it will be for you.Trust me. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

Comment #471: Admin said on 6/29/05 @ 2:58pm ET...

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Comment #472: berni_mccoy said on 6/29/05 @ 10:24pm ET...

Hello Congressman Conyers, Hello Admin,

It's great to see the blog back up and running. Thanks for doing this.

Comment #473: Rese said on 6/30/05 @ 7:24pm ET...

Dear Congressman Conyors: I beleive a coup de etat occurred in America. The current President says we will not negotiate with terrorists. Yet his father did, and pardoned them!

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Wim Dankbaar on Luis Posada Carriles, reflections from a foreigner.

Why does this terrorist get such protection from Bush? Here is the story!

"Without the support from higher powers, Posada Carriles would just be a pawn. A pawn who would not have been able to bribe his escape from prison, to plan and execute terrorist attacks, and to slip through the mazes of Homeland Security. In other words, Posada and his friends need finance, backing and guidance", says Wim Dankbaar, the Dutch specialist on Kennedy's assassination. "So let's have a look at where his support comes from."

We must go back in time. Where did it all begin? Well, we need a history lesson that Americans did not get in school. We must go back to the first major effort to overthrow Castro's Cuba in a CIA sponsored invasion. An invasion that failed and is now known as the infamous Bay of Pigs. An invasion that failed because Kennedy did not back it all the way. That is at least the resentment that still lives on in the anti-Castro cummunity. The operational base in Florida to train this army, was only outmatched in size by the US Navy. It was codenamed the JM/Wave station. The commanding officer of this station was Theodore Shackley, who later became the deputy director of the CIA under George Bush senior. One of the men who worked under Shackley at JM/Wave is your present CIA director Porter Goss.

Washington Post, interview with Porter Goss: click here

The architects for this clandestine invasion were CIA director Allen Dulles and then vice president and later president Nixon. Luis Posada Carriles was recruited for that invasion. He was trained in Fort Benning as an assassin and an expert in explosives. But what many Americans do not know, is that from that army, a number of men were selected to form a secret group of assassins. This group was called Operation 40, and the CIA code name was ZR/Rifle. This is the stuff that American media do not report. The mission of Operation 40 was to assassinate Fidel Castro. It may be no surprise that Luis Posada Carriles was selected for Operation 40. I will give you the names of some more members of this assassination group. And it is important to remember these names, because they will get back in the story later on. One of those members was Felix Rodriguez. He was also trained in Fort Benning, along with Posada.
Felix Rodriguez and Luis Posada Carriles:
Veterans of the Bay of Pigs, members of Operation 40, friends, anti-Castro Cuban exiles,
CIA assets, trained assassins and operatives for Iran Contra.
Another member was Frank Sturgis, who later gained notoriety in the Watergate scandal. He was one of the Watergate burglars. There were also the brothers Ignacio and Guillermo Novo Sampol. There was Pedro Diaz Lanz, Castro's former Air Force Chief. And another was a Cuban physician named Orlando Bosch. He later earned the nick name "Dr. Death" for his record of terrorist acts. Members of Organized Crime were tossed into the mix. John Roselli from the Chicago mafia is just one example. They also recruited Castro's former mistress Marita Lorenz.

One of the supervisors for Operation 40 was E. Howard Hunt, another CIA agent whose name became headline news when the Watergate scandal broke. He was the boss of the so called Watergate plumbers. Another supervisor was David Atlee Phillips. Mr. Phillips was, as declassified files of Cuban State Security have shown, along with declarations of anti-Castro operatives, the direct superior of Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of president Kennedy. Phillips eventually became the CIA chief for operations in the Western Hemisphere.

It is now part of the public record that both Phillips and Hunt worked in tandem to orchestrate the CIA coup of 1954 in Guatemala that ended the government of Jacobo Arbenz. Let me emphasize that this was a democratically elected government.

But back to the Bay of Pigs and Operation 40. Who financed that? Well, it was financed by a group of Texan businessmen, headed by Mr. George Bush senior, the former president. What they did not tell you in school, is that Mr. Bush was closely associated with Dulles and Nixon. In fact, Nixon was the proteg� of his father, senator Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush was responsible for Nixon's political career, and he also contributed to his campaign against Kennedy. And contrary to what Bush Sr. may want to tell you, he worked for the CIA as far as back as the Bay of Pigs. This is why his name appears in a declassified FBI document of J. Edgar Hoover about the reaction of the Cuban exiles to the Kennedy assassination.

FBI Memorandum "George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushmemo.jpg

We are talking about the period that Bush's friendship with the Cuban exile community in Miami began. It is the period wherein he befriended Felix Rodriguez. Felix Rodriguez is a close associate of Luis Posada Carriles. They ended up working side by side in el Salvador in an operation that eventually became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. This operation was also directed from the White House, when Bush was vice president. Felix reported directly to him. But their history goes much farther back. Remember that Felix Rodriguez was also recruited for Operation 40, some sources say by Bush personally. Whatever the case, and despite the fact that your media don't write about it, Bush hardly makes a secret of his friendship with Felix Rodriguez. They appear together in numerous photographs and there is also correspondence to testify to their warm relation. And just last year, Felix openly campaigned for the election of George W.

Source: click here

Ernesto "Che" Guevara has become an icon in the world, right or wrong. A symbol of the fight for freedom. But what is less known is that Felix Rodriguez was part of the CIA team that tracked him down in Bolivia, which ended with his murder. There is even a photograph of Rodriguez with a captured Che. These are all hard historical facts. If you weren't aware of them, you can find them on my website.

George and Felix chilling in the VP's office.

Above is a picture of Felix Rodriguez with a captured Che Guevara. Rodriguez still shows Guevara 's Rolex watch and the transcripts of the interrogations to intimate friends in his Miami home, which is decorated with photos of him and his old friend George. Below a 1988 Christmas note from George to Felix referring to Iran-Contra hearings.

George and Felix
So, your former president is not ashamed to support and protect known assassins and terrorists. You will start to see a pattern here. Let us have a look at Orlando Bosch. As we have seen, Bosch was also a member of Operation 40. In 1976, the year that Bush was appointed director of the CIA, Orlando Bosch unites the anti-Castro groups into one organisation. This group was called CORU, or Commanders of United Revolutionary Organizations. They planned terrorist attacks against Cuba and other targets. Of course, Felix Rodriguez and Luis Posada also joined this group, as well as their fellow Operation 40 classmates Ignacio and Guillermo Novo Sampol.

Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada were then caught and imprisoned in Venezuela for their part in the bombing of a Cuban civilian airplane. On October 6 of 1976, 73 people were killed in that mid-air explosion. Also, just a few weeks earlier on September 21 of that year, the former minister of Salvador Allende, Orlando Letelier was assassinated in the streets of Washington DC. His car was blown up in broad daylight. The explosion killed him and his young secretary, Ronni Moffit. Her husband Michael, also an American citizen, was severely injured, but he survived. All the evidence points out that both these jobs were masterminded by CORU. One can only guess what information Mr. Letelier did possess to assassinate him. But it is now clear that the CIA had a heavy hand in the coup that brought down the democratic government of Salvador Allende, and installed dictator Augusto Pinochet. If your Government would open all its files on "Operation Condor", we would get more insight than we already have. But I guess they don't want to highlight this at a time that you are asked for support to remove brutal dictators, not install them.

Both CORU terrorists Ignacio and Guillermo Novo Sampol were indicted, convicted and sent to prison for their part in the assassination of Orlando Letelier, but eventually their CIA sponsored lawyers came to their rescue and managed to overturn their conviction on appeal. The strategy that every covert CIA agent learns: "Deny, deny, deny, we'll get you off the hook later", clearly worked. It doesn't always work. Especially if you didn't do it to begin with. It didn't work for Lee Harvey Oswald.

For their part in the Cuban airline bombing, Bosch and Posada spent years in jail. But in 1985, again trough his CIA sponsored contacts, Posada was able to bribe his way out of his Caracas prison. He was then given another identity to join Felix Rodriguez for Iran Contra in Llopango, El Salvador. Posada was using the name of Ramon Medina and Rodriguez called himself Max Gomez.

And what happened to Orlando Bosch? Well, he was released in 1987 and he returned to Miami as a result of diplomatic pressure from Otto Reich and Jeb Bush. Reich was then the US ambassador for Venezuela and we all know who Jeb Bush is. Mr. Reich is now U.S. Special envoy to the Western Hemisphere, appointed by your current government. Mr. Bosch was subsequently pardoned in 1990 by then President Bush. Dr. Death walks the streets of Miami as a free man. As of this moment there is much indignation and publicity about the case of Luis Posada Carriles, but we must not forget that Orlando Bosch is just as much a terrorist, guilty of the same crimes. The airline bombing is just one in a row. Posada and Bosch blew up give or take 5 targets a year.

See: http://cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0057.html

To illustrate further the US protection that these characters enjoy, we must make a jump in time to the year 2000. In november of that year, Castro was scheduled to speak in Panama on a summit. The Panamese authorities detected just in time a plot to assassinate him with explosives. If the plot had been carried out succesfully, then not only Castro, but hundreds of innocent people would have been blown to pieces. Who were arrested and convicted for this plot? They are familiar names by now: Luis Posada Carriles, Guillermo Novo Sampol and two more of their Cuban exile friends, Pedro Rem�n and Gaspar Jim�nez Escobedo. Guillermo Novo, remember him? He was the Operation 40 and CORU member, convicted for the killing of Orlando Letelier, untill he got off the hook by his Cuban American attorneys, only to be allowed to continue his terrorist career. The same is of course true for Luis Posada Carriles. And what happens then? Well, last year, the Bush administration intervened and bribed the outgoing President of Panama, Mireyas Moscoso, to release and pardon all these guys. Did you hear about this on CNN? Did you hear that Novo, Rem�n and Escobedo where escorted back to Miami? Did you hear how they were welcomed, how they were heralded as freedom fighters? Maybe you did hear about it recently, now that the asylum case of Luis Posada has made the headlines as a result of the international public opinion.

So let us ask ourselves why President Bush exposes himself to the public embarrasment of protecting this criminal? Despite the media brainwash and apathy, it is now recognized that indeed Posada is a terrorist by all standards. Including the standards of the American people and even the most right-wing newspapers. Even the Cuban American National Foundation is shy to openly voice their support for Posada Carriles. It just cannot be sold. Fighting Castro is okay, but not with terror. Not in this age, where we condemn Al Qaeda.

Well, I say the answer to the question can be found in another crime of 42 years ago, the assassination of one of your most popular Presidents, John F. Kennedy. He had just initiated diplomatic contacts for a co-existence with Castro's Cuba. I have told you about Operation 40 that was desgined to assassinate the Cuban leader. It was a CIA group that was secretly assembled from elements of organized crime, cuban exiles and other figures willing to operate outside the Constitution. We all know about the CIA/Mafia plots to kill Castro. They tried to kill him with the most outrageuos methods, from poison pills to exploding cigars, to outright assassination by rifle shots. They even tried to kill him with a cancer causing agent, a method that Lee Harvey Oswald's assassin Jack Ruby claimed was eventually used on him.

Of course your schools still teach that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. And right after the assassination, the CIA disinformation machine even cranked out stories that he was one of Castro's agents, in order to put the blame on Cuba. But as the evidence mounted that Lee Harvey Oswald had in fact been an agent for the CIA, that he was actually fiercely against the Cuban revolution, it was realized that this lie could not be pushed anymore. Thus he became a lone nut.

Could it be that these plans that were put in place to assassinate Castro, along with the opposing forces to Kennedy, backfired and were then used to assassinate him? Well, one of those opposing forces, who is still hostile towards Cuba, was certainly George Bush and his associates. It is actually kind of strange that the vast majority of the Americans now believes that Kennedy's murder was a conspiracy involving elements of the CIA or mafia or both, yet the official position of your government is still that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. "We know better than you". Not a great example of democratic principle, is it? Now I understand where the saying comes from: "I love my country, but I don't trust my government."

Let us have a look at some of the evidence that is now known, but not well known. The evidence that they never teach your children in school. The evidence that your mainstream media don't tell. Let us have a look at the testimony under oath of Castro's mistress Marita Lorenz, who after that short romance, was recruited by the CIA to kill him. This is under no dispute whatsoever.

You may recall E. Howard Hunt, the supervisor for Operation 40 and the chief of the Watergate burglar team. Well, in 1985 Hunt has fought a libel suit against a magazine that had printed allegations that he was involved in the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. Hunt lost this suit and he was unable to convince the jury that he had not been in Dallas. During that trial Marita Lorenz gave testimony that she had worked for the CIA and that she had been part of Operation 40. She further testified that in the week prior to Kennedy's assassination, she had travelled from Miami to Dallas with a group of fellow members of Operation 40. This group travelled in two cars with weapons in the trunks. She claimed that she was not told about the mission of this journey, other than that it was confidential. She was told so by Frank Sturgis, who was now her boy friend. Wether her taste had improved or not, is not for me to judge, but there is apparently room for romance even in covert operations:

Marita and Frank
To see Marita on film with Frank Sturgis and other members of Operation 40: click here

She identified her other travel companions as characters that may now sound familiar to you: Pedro Diaz Lanz, and the brothers Ignacio and Guillermo Novo Sampol. She also mentioned that the group was operating under guidance from none other than Orlando Bosch. In fact, she said that a few weeks before, she had been present at a meeting of this group in a Miami safe house, where Orlando Bosch and Lee Harvey Oswald were also present. Lorenz was reluctant to mention these names, but was induced to do so under questioning by Hunt's lawyers. Her story then went on to say that the group took refuge in a Dallas motel, where they were visited first by Hunt and then by Jack Ruby.
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Re: Who killed President John F. Kennedy, Jr?
by responder
(No verified email address) 30 Jun 2005
I have but a few corrections:

1. JFK was never going to recognize Castro's Cuba. He intended to overthrow Castro after the Bay of Pigs, making this promise to a huge crowd of Cuban exiles in Miami. Jackie even spoke to them in Spainsh on that occasion. This is one of the reasons he relieved Dulles of his directorship of the CIA. Taking Cuba away from Jesuit-trained Castro could never be allowed to happen. If Bush was was truly waging a "war on terror," the first dictator to be removed would be CIA asset and 33rd Degree Freemason, Roman Catholic communist Fidel Castro. But alas, he as an altar boy for the Pope and Cuba is to be the staging base for our coming Sino-Soviet-Moslem invasion.

2. Mafioso James Files did indeed shoot the "fireball" from the Grassy Knoll in Dallas on November 22, 1963. I have watched his body language carefully as he told his story on video. But no bullet ever proceeded out of his rifle! That loud shot and resultant smoke cloud was an intended distraction to enable Greer to shoot JFK while all attention--fifty-one witnesses--was on the Grassy Knoll. Files, being in prison at the time of the video, has been permitted to live to tell his story so as to take attention away from the Secret Service/CIA/FBI and thereby putting the blame on himself, a Mafia shooter.

3. There was never a real intent on the part of the Pope's CFR-controlled high command of the CIA to kill Castro. The late CIA assassin George Hickey told my close friend that he had Castro in his sights when he received the order to "abort." The order was blamed on JFK and that essential team was then used to do the distractionary shooting and wounding in Dallas, the kill shot coming from Greer.

4. George de Mohrenschildt and George H. W. Bush were not only friends but they both were Papal Knights of Malta. Two high Knights were eliminated in the Kennedy executive action: Clay Shaw and George de Mohrenschildt. Both died as a result of subsequent investigations after the assassination.

With these corrections kept in mind, knowing that the current cover-up leads to the Archbishop of New York City---now Edward Cardinal Egan---, we have more details as to "Who" was involved in the murder of a President who was first an American and secondly a Roman Catholic who refused to enforce the Pope's Temporal Power. That "Who" extends to Watergate and Iran Contra. That "Who" includes Knight of Malta William F. Buckley, Jr., Knight of Malta William J. Casey, Knight of Malta Alexander Haig, Jr., Knight of Malta Pat Buchanan, Knight of Malta Oliver North, and now with the WTC demolition, Knight of Malta George J. Tenet. All of these traitors were or are today under the control of Fordham and Georgetown University Jesuits ruling the Pope's "Holy Roman" Fourteenth Amendment American Empire (1868-Present).

Sincerely in Faith,

Brother Eric