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Blogged by JC on 07.07.06 @ 03:10 PM ET

Hersh Article in New Yorker on Iran


I recently read a probative article by Seymour Hersh in this week's New Yorker.

Hersh uses extensive sources in the Pentagon to reveal that the Administration has been planning air strikes against Iran and that Bush and Cheney "were dead serious about [a] nuclear" strike against Iran's supposed nuclear facility until they were talked down from the ledge.

Hersh reports widespread disgust by top-ranking generals at Rumsfeld's dismissal of sound military advice – the administration and the Defense Secretary are ignoring warnings that even massive air strikes against Iran are unlikely to destroy Iran's nuclear program.

Retired Army Major General William Nash, a commanding general on the ground in the Iraq and Bosnian conflicts, warns:
If we bomb Iran, they cannot retaliate militarily by air - only on the ground or by sea, and only in Iraq or the Gulf . . . . Their first possible response would be to send forces into Iraq. And, since the Iraqi Army has limited capacity, it means that the coalition forces would have to engage them.


Hersh describes Iran's plans to respond to an attack. Diplomatic sources revealed to Hersh that Iran is committed to retaliate against Qatar and other oil-producing Gulf countries if attacked by America. Disrupting oil production and shipments through the Persian Gulf would not be acceptable to China, Russia, and other economic and military powers.

It is unfortunate the Bush Administration passed up the opportunity to address the real danger of Iran's nuclear capability years ago in favor of invading a country that posed no direct threat to the United States or its neighbors. We need to take Hersh's report very seriously. If you haven't had a chance to read the article, you can find it here.

Replies: 32 Comments


Comment #1: ljm said on 7/7/06 @ 3:48pm ET...

I was very encouraged to read that General Pace was able to talk Bush out of considering using nukes on Iran. The uniformed people in the pentagon seem to have lots of concerns with this administration. I don't think it's an accident that the JAG lawyer defending Hamdan was able to stay on that case to get it before the SCOTUS. If the brass had wanted him stopped, they'd have reassigned him or something. They always have a way of derailing people in the military. I take that as a sign the military brass wanted this outcome in the Hamdan v Rumsfeld case. People like Graham and Kyl are so dispicable to have tried to pull a fraud on the SCOTUS when the WH had no other way to try and get the case dismissed.



Comment #2: ljm said on 7/7/06 @ 3:55pm ET...

Oh, and another thing, Graham, Kyl and Brownback are all on the senate judiciary committee. Since Arlen Specter complains that the WH doesn't communicate with him, it's obvious who on that committe they are talking to in an effort to continue the dictatorship. Krauthammer is spinnin on the Hamdan decision in the WAPO today and Lohn Yoo in the LA Times. What they don't bother to mention is what the NYTs wrote about in their edition today. White supremacists and neo-nazis are joining the military in droves to get the experience in Iraq they will need to wage a race war here one day. It's not only AQ who are training terrorists in Iraq. We've created a magnet for all the Tim McVeigh wannabes. They are shipping back weapons from Iraq as well. So much for the "we gotta fight them over there" theory. We're training them over there on our dime.



Comment #3: Nolip said on 7/7/06 @ 5:00pm ET...

Bush and Cheney have plutonium instead of blood running through their veins...that also affects their thinking and, let's just say, the elevator doesn't make it to the top for either one of them as they continue to prove that neither one has an oar in the water. Bush and Cheney have no military experience between them so they hire a guy (Rumsfeld) who has less than they do to run a war. This isn't the blind leading the blind. This, as Ron White might say, is a serious case of "you can't fix stupid". Bush and Cheney want to redefine the phrase "nuke 'em 'til they glow in the dark"...the sad fact about that is that neither Bush nor Cheney cares that American troops are at ground zero...



Comment #4: Rusty said on 7/7/06 @ 5:41pm ET...

Post-9/11 Republicans are very effective warmongers. They have no idea how to actually fight a war, but that's just a trivial detail Americans are supposed to ignore as the Rovians bully and bluster us into World War III.

It must be ackowledged that a couple of Republican presidents have actually won a war. William McKinley "liberated" Cuba from the evil Spaniards back in 1898, and as we all know, Cubans have been profoundly grateful to America ever since.

George H. W. Bush "defeated" Saddam Hussein in 1991, which as we all know, began an era of peace, prosperity, and love for America across the entire Middle East.

It was Democratic presidents, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt who led America to victory in two world wars. It was two Democratic presidents, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy, who stood up to the Soviets during the worst years of the Cold War. It was a Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who led America and our NATO allies to victory in Kosovo, without one American casualty.

Democratic candidates need to remind American voters of that. Over and over again. As they have in the past, they will fight a REAL war against REAL enemies with REAL allies and a REAL plan for victory.

The Republicans are not waging war in Iraq, they are running a trillion-dollar terrorist recruitment program. Their "Plan for Victory in Iraq" is stark, raving madness. Wars are not won by creating ten enemies for every one we kill.

We must not be afraid to confront these mindless warmongering Republicans. On Huffington Post, Sherrod Brown's wife, Connie Schultz, eloquently expresses the reasons why:

"Aren't you afraid?" people ask, usually before Sherrod gives a speech or I show up on his behalf.
"Aren't you afraid of what they can do to you?"

Every time we hear this question, we see what a chokehold the politics of fear can have on so many decent people - from university professors to small-town farmers, from stay-at-home mothers to corporate executives. They want to believe in fair elections and a campaign of ideas, but they can see what's coming by who's already laid tracks in this bellwether state."

She concludes her must-read article by expressing what many of us feel:

"Whenever I start to feel a little sorry for myself because my back aches from too many hours on the road or I miss my job or I haven't seen a movie in months, I meet someone who reminds me why Sherrod's race is so important.

Last week, this jarring reminder showed up in the face of a young mother who is recovering from breast cancer.

A soft-brimmed hat covered her bald head as she sat across from me with her four-year-old daughter at a potluck dinner in Washington County in Appalachia. Our conversation was the usual jumble of topics whenever two women get to spend a little time together. She talked about her hopes and dreams for her little girl, mentioned that she had just finished her last radiation treatment and that maybe now she'd stop feeling so sick all the time. "My problems are nothing compared to so many around here," she said, gesturing around the room. "People need to feel some hope."

As we were leaving, she handed a check for $200 to a member of our campaign staff and then smiled sheepishly. "Can you wait till Friday to cash it?" she asked. "I don't get paid until then."

That is why Sherrod is running for the U.S. Senate.

And that is why we are not afraid."

(I hope Arianna at HuffPo forgives me for quoting one of her featured articles at some length. Connie Schultz has spoken for us all, and every Netroots activist should go to HuffPo and read her entire article, it is magnificent.)



Comment #5: stoufi1 said on 7/7/06 @ 7:21pm ET...

Rusty, you make this too, too easy.

You forgot a Republican president who won another war: Abraham Lincoln. And remember, the slave-holding South was run by...Democrats.

Back on topic. You compare Bill Clinton with Wilson, FDR, Truman, and JFK? The only thing Clinton had in common with any of them (Kennedy, actually) was his womanizing. Remember, he was a real draft-dodger who went to England and didn't inhale.

You are absolutely correct about the other four Democrats, men who stood up to real tyranny and evil. I submit that the last two Democratic Presidents (Carter and Clinton) were nothing like the four you mentioned. Thanks to Carter, we have the present (real) theocracy in Iran, and a Soviet Union emboldened to invade Afghanistan. It took another great Republican, Ronald Reagan, to get America out of that hole and end the Soviet Union (peacefully, thank God) as a nation, and remove the tyranny of Communism from every nation in Europe. Thanks to Clinton, Al Qaeda spread itself all over the world, and North Korea developed nukes under his nose because he trusted but didn't verify. And let's not forget Somalia. And before anybody says Clinton inherited it from Bush 41, it was Clinton who called for regime change in Somalia, and a Democratic Congress who forced him to get the troops out (1993). You're comparison of Clinton to those like FDR is laughable.

And, with no disrespect to FDR, what was Roosevelt's clear plan for victory in WWII? I've studied it in detail, but I'd really someone to tell me what they think it was.



Comment #6: Rusty said on 7/7/06 @ 7:38pm ET...

Stuffy,

I wouldn't stain the memory of Abraham Lincoln by including him as one of your RePug fascist "presidents."

After Pearl Harbor, your RePugs would have invaded Peru because 3 Japanese who lived there hated America. FDR waged war on JAPAN after they attacked us. He led an alliance that defeated global fascism's MILLIONS of soldiers in only four years after our entry into the war.

Your fascist RePugs can't even defeat a few thousand ragtag insurgents, asshole!

Go bake some cupcakes.



Comment #7: unspun said on 7/7/06 @ 7:45pm ET...

Just an observation: Reminder about uselessness of attempting rational discourse with paid operatives:

Per a report on Pandagon.net, "What a lot of us suspected—that conservative trolls that seem to generate knee-jerk right wing talking points are just plants that are put there by the endless stream of right wing money earmarked for propaganda—looks like it’s probably true. People are reporting that they’re getting these comments from people that are coming from this company called Netvocates..."

Pandagon link and cybersoc.com link



Comment #8: Alma said on 7/7/06 @ 7:47pm ET...

Rusty,

You know better than to send Stuffy to bake cupcakes when he's having delusions. He might burn himself.



Comment #9: Rusty said on 7/7/06 @ 7:54pm ET...

There seems to be some confusion here . . . I was neutering a rabid skunk.



Comment #10: Rusty said on 7/7/06 @ 8:19pm ET...

This confusion is understandable of course, rabid skunks and Republican operatives have a lot in common. The stench of skunks isn't quite as nauseating, but other than that, skunks and Republicans are virtually indistinguishable.

Thanks for the links, Unspun. RePugs spending money on trolls who only motivate us even more than we already are to kick their thug bosses out of power is an exceptionally brilliant plan!

Alma,

What Michigan papers did you submit your letter-to-the editor to? I want to keep an eye out for it.



Comment #11: Alma said on 7/7/06 @ 8:22pm ET...

Rusty,

I checked the ones I could today. One of them is paid subscription only and one of the others doesn't put their LTE's online. Nothing yet.

The Ann Arbor News
The Detroit News
Livonia Observer
The Macomb Daily
The Monroe Evening News



Comment #12: Rusty said on 7/7/06 @ 8:35pm ET...

Thanks Alma,

It usually takes a week or longer from submission to publication, depending on the paper and the number of other submissions.

Have you heard anything about JC's "The Constitution in Crisis" publication date?



Comment #13: unspun said on 7/7/06 @ 8:54pm ET...

Alma, good work on the LTE’s.

Rusty #4: Great post. It is inspiring to read about the positive outlook and courage of people like Ms. Schultz and Mr. Brown and all those who stand up to the bullies. By the way, the air smells fresh—Ranger Rusty prevails.



Comment #14: Alma said on 7/7/06 @ 8:59pm ET...

Rusty,

All I could find is this, from JCs site:
new publication date: July 2006

Can't wait for it to get here!



Comment #15: Kitty Gambler said on 7/7/06 @ 9:37pm ET...

#5 stoufi1 sez:

"Remember, he was a real draft-dodger who went to England and didn't inhale."

So, earning--and not turning down--a prestigious Rhodes Scholarship for advanced study in England was simply a ruse by Clinton to dodge the draft? I wonder why he didn't just enroll in a community college or apply for five deferments like Dick Cheney the Lionhearted.



Comment #16: Genghis Khan said on 7/7/06 @ 10:05pm ET...

Fine. I'll do it.

Stuffy, you are clearly a child of the late 80s. The Theocracy in Iran was as a result of the 1950s CIA overthrow of a democratically-elected government in Iran (Google "Mossadegh" for a clue). When the US failed to return the deposed Shah for trial (remember, he was the Saddam of the 60s and 70s), our embassy was overrun.

Carter inherited the national hangover from Vietnam, the Nixon Watergate scandal, and the OPEC oil embargo of 1973. There is credible evidence that Carter's CIA lured the USSR into invading Afghanistan to get them into their own Vietnam; a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Reagan got us out of the nationalist hole, but put us in a financial hole with his then-historic deficit spending to artificially prop up the US economy by overspending on defense (part of his "trickle-down" economic failure). He had nothing to do with the downfall of the Soviets; that was due to the Afghan war discussed above. At least, that's what Gorbachev said so you can dismiss him as not credible if you wish...

Clinton didn't call for regime change in Somalia, he participated in a UN peacekeeping and humanitarian action along with a real multinational coalition of the willing.

Thanks to the GOP, Clinton couldn't go after the Reagan-created al-Qaeda when he identified them as a threat in ~1996. In 1998, after being denied an AUMF by the GOP-controlled Congress, he launched an airstrike against bin-Laden which missed by scant hours. The GOP response? "Wag the dog!" Presumably they were too interested in Monica Lewinsky to bother helping the President defend America.

The only thing you've studied in detail is the bottom of a Budweiser can.

You've never met a fact you didn't distort or ignore.

You made this too, too, easy.



Comment #17: cali said on 7/7/06 @ 10:30pm ET...

Bradblog
Manual Hand Count Requested in Busby/Bilbray Race! Registrar Quotes Fees to be Charged as High as $130,000!

A 'Buck a Vote' for Hand Count of Paper Ballots, Trails in U.S. House Election Which Used Uncertified Voting Machines…
Fees Far Exceed That Charged by Other Counties, Request Filed by Election Integrity Advocate 'on Behalf of Candidate Brian Bilbray'

Late Wednesday afternoon, a "Manual Hand Count Request under the Election Recount Provision" was filed at the San Diego County Registrar of Voters office by by CA-50 voter Barbara Gail Jacobson. The request is for a full manual hand count of all paper ballots and paper trails in the recent June 6th Busby/Bilbray special U.S. House election in which programmed, election-ready Diebold voting machines were sent home with poll workers for days prior to the election in apparent violation of new laws and provision by both state and federal authorities.

Jacobson's manual hand count request, as filed, is posted in full with the article linked below.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3036



Comment #18: DTW 06 said on 7/8/06 @ 1:23am ET...

I watched "Syriana" last night. If you haven't seen this movie, you need to watch it. It was written by the same guy who wrote "Crash." This film does a great job of illustrating the intricacies of our relationship with the people of the middle east. These are extremely complex relationships going back thousands of years. Intelligent leaders know this.

There was a group in the movie called "Committee for the Liberation of Iran - CLI." These dudes remind my of the PNAC.

I was recently made aware that the PNAC has a global cousin the Henry Jackson Society.

I found out about the "Henry Jackson Society: Project for Democratic Geopolitics" at Bring It On!. This is an insightful community of progressive bloggers.

"ann Says :
July 6th, 2006 at 6:44 pm edit comment

I’ve posted this link lots of times here before, but just wanted to remind everyone that the little blighters (the PNAC) have opened up a branch here, in the UK, too: http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/

(Check out the “patrons” section for all the usual suspects)

Saw Syriana a while back, Chris. And it is a good movie."



Comment #19: DTW 06 said on 7/8/06 @ 1:29am ET...

Antitrust?

I was recently reading a bit of American history and have become more convinced that American politics is cyclical.

As Bob Dylan sang. "The times they are 'a chang'en." Periods such as today remind one of the robber-barons era of the late 1800s. Back in the day, Teddy Roosevelt carried his famous "big stick" and busted up the trusts. Later, with the government acting as an honest broker, organized labor helped to raise the standard of livings of millions of workers.

It has been demonstrated time and again that periods of ever increasing concentrations of wealth and the political control of the many by the few lead to widespread disenchantment with the status quo. Often, this disenchantment leads to political action to break up the massive conglomerates that are choking the American dream. Antitrust regulations still exist. For the moment, enforcement of antitrust, worker protection, and whistleblower laws is almost non-existent. Bush's tax cuts for the richest and massive mergers and acquisitions in the financial, defense/homeland security, energy, and communications industries all point to a dangerous concentration of power in a very few hands.

Bush's FCC has been especially lax in the communications industry. The WoldCom demise points to a need for greater government oversight in the communications industry, not less. Instead, the Bush FCC has encouraged massive mergers and acquisitions, basically rubber-stamping all deals. Texas based AT&T is one large example. This is not a capitalistic free market. It is an oligarchy/monopolistically structured economy. The corporate control of the economy does much to stifle true competition and discourage entrepreneurship.

Hopefully, enough Americans are searching for a better way. If so, I trust we are about to witness a concerted attempt to bring some measure of accountability and transparency back to Washington DC. Will the 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt please stand up?

QuestionItNow Blogs



Comment #20: feline said on 7/8/06 @ 2:30am ET...

DTW, I just watched Syriana a couple of nights ago for the first time myself; very well-made/researched movie.

Everything is connected.

Regulation is something the neo-cons and empires want to impose on individuals, but not corporations. To them, we are consumers first, workers second, voters third. IMHO, that is the order of our power to change things. That means citizen power can be applied through boycotts/influence through how we spend our fiscal resources, strikes/influence through how we spend our human resources, and finally elections. That's how it's been done with success in the past, in our country and others.

Thank you for your insights!



Comment #21: wallen said on 7/8/06 @ 6:57am ET...

Surprise, surprise!

Man indicted in phone jamming case will argue Administration approved election scheme
07/07/2006 @ 1:26 pm
Filed by John Byrne

The fourth man indicted in a New Hampshire phone-jamming scheme -- in which Republican operatives jammed the phone lines of Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts in a 2002 Senate race -- will argue at trial that the Bush Administration and the national Republican Party gave their approval to the plan, according to a motion filed by his attorney Thursday.
click here



Comment #22: Rusty said on 7/8/06 @ 7:15am ET...

GK #16,

As you say, it doesn't take much effort to dismantle a brainwashed wingnut, but that was still an impressive review of recent history.

Going back further into history reveals the entire, sordid record of the Republican Party. It was founded by idealists like Abraham Lincoln, but after his assassination it rapidly degenerated into a corrupt pack of swindlers and criminals.

In the 1870's, Grant Administration Republicans went on a crime spree fueled by greed, absolute control of the government, and a complicit press. The Civil War was their 9/ll, and they exploited that national tragedy and won election after election by waving "The Bloody Shirt" for 30 years.

The Robber Baron era of the late 19th century was even worse than the Grant crime wave. Allied with corrupt Republicans in Washington, the Robber Barons set up 19th century Halliburtons and EnRons all over the place, waged economic class warfare on working class Americans and the poor, and raked in obscene profits by destroying unions, exploiting immigrant labor, and working women and children to death in their factories and sweatshops.

After a brief period of Democratic government during the Wilson Administration, corrupt Republicans under Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover raped America again until their greed and corruption crashed the Stock Market and plunged the whole world into the worst depression in history.

FDR and the Democrats revived America with the New Deal and won WWII, only to be vilified as traitors by malicious Republican thugs drunk on McCarthyism.

Your summation in #16 takes us up to 2000, when Bush, Cheney, DeLay et al hijacked America's government and handed it over to radical neocons, crazed religious fanatics, and corporate thieves.

Republicans are evil bastards. They are scheming greed machines who go to church once a week and rob working families blind the other six days. They call condemning millions of Americans to slave wages of $5.15 an hour "business acumen." They call shipping our jobs overseas "free trade." They call poisoning our air and water "entrepreneurship." They call Exxon/Mobil's $30 billion a year extortion racket "sound business management."

Bush calls the worst corporate thief in American history "a good man." That says it all. That exposes for all to see the moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party. It symbolizes their entire, twisted philosophy--we are good because we are Republicans. If we say we are good, that makes us good. Because we are good we deserve unlimited power and must never be challenged.

These people are certifiably insane. Reality means nothing to them. From brainwashed nobodies like Stuffy on up to the self-brainwashed brainwashers in the Bush White House, GOP Congress, and RNC, they are incapable of telling the truth. They've created their own "truth" and their minds are poisoned by it.

We have to win the midterms. We all have to scrape together every dollar we can and contribute to progressive candidates. We have to write LTE's, we have to volunteer for GOTV efforts, we have to become pollwatchers, we have demand paper trails in every Congressional district.

Most of all, we have to go to Washington on October 5 and show these Republican criminals and Beltway elitists what American democracy looks like. They think it's dead and buried in a Diebold cemetery, but it's not.

Not yet. And it never will be if we have the same courage Filipinos and Russians and Ukrainians had when they shut down their criminal governments with people power in the streets of their capital cities.

It's our turn on October 5, 2006.



Comment #23: Nolip said on 7/8/06 @ 8:04am ET...

We live in an era that could easily be identified as the "New McCarthyism". Instead of finding a "commie" behind every bush (no pun intended) the media is trying to get us to believe that there's a terrorist under every rock. The two most recent events were the so called "let's blow up the tunnel" plot in the media within the past few days and the Sears tower fiasco reported within the past couple of weeks.
The MSM is in a feeding frenzy and what they're feeding the American public isn't great journalism, it's a diet of fear and trepidation reinforcing Bush's primary platform "Be afraid, be very afraid...oh yeh, and by the way Laura wants the newspapers to print good polls about me".
They haven't stopped mixing the kool aid and there are still a number of American's bellying up to the punch bowl. Meanwhile Diebold machines continue to tabulate election results and somehow elected leaders in Congress are OK with that because, hey, it could go either way.
We are up to our armpits in a manure pile created by George Bush. Anybody here tired of the smell?
There is a passage in scripture that goes something like this "you reap what you sow"...all of the unrest in the world, from North Korea to Iran and from Iraq to Israel are a clear example that the seeds of unrest continue to be nurtured by our American government. It will be a sad day indeed when the world, who are already showing signs of weariness at this Administration's policies, decide to dump another load of manure, attached to a rocket, at our front door with the words "This one's for Dubya" written all over it.



Comment #24: koryannder said on 7/8/06 @ 8:18am ET...

Boyoboy - you guys sure jumped all over poor stuffit; don't you realize we need operatives like him to keep us focused on just who the enemy is?

I cannot conceive of a more stupid move on our part than to unilaterally, without support from the International Community, attack Iran without a single hope of victory. If Saddam Hussein, whose Iraqi army, supplied with WMD's by US, could not make a dent in that country in EIGHT YEARS, what makes any of the plush chair idiots in the beltway think that we, who cannot make any headway against the CURRENT Iraqi irregulars, could do any better?

Oh, yeah - anyone who has studied the Iranian TERRAIN knows that it is WORSE than Italy or Korea; it consists of ranges of mountains loosely connected by desert. Iranians are TOUGH. They have to be to survive in that inhospitable geography. True, some of it is arable, but one of the main reasons that it is hospitable to the Ali heresy (known as Shia) is that that form of Islam blames EVERYTHING on Allah, and therefore the only thing to hope for is a better life in the hereafter. With that mindset, fatalism is guaranteed, and, while it is true that fatalists make lousy soldiers in the short run, they can, and will, outlast you in the long run. It is more sensible to pick up a scorpion than to attack such people. In a "War" between the US, with the concomitant insuperable resupply problem, and Iran, Iran would win, even if it "Lost." Any sensible person looking at Iraq right now would tell you that the Iraqi insurgents, relatively small in number though they are, have won. It is just our own hubris that keeps us from recognizing that fact. Just as the North Vietnamese won that fracas, so the Iraqi "Freedom Fighters" have won the conflict with our ever more demoralized occupation forces. Why? Because they can - and will - keep it up forever. We have trained them in how to resist, as we did the Vietnamese. "Cut and run?" No - "Make a Strategic withdrawal?" Yes. It is not cowardly to recognize that you are fighting a battle you cannot win. As I said in my letter about the McKee cartoon (which was published yesterday in the local paper - whose editor is a staunch Republican!) "You can make successful war on a nation. You cannot make successful war on a people." That is especially true when the people are Asiatics, whose notion of the value of human life is zero. Iran can NEVER be a threat other than economic, and, as it happens, Iranians are, in the main, pretty decent people. It would make better sense to try to be friendly with them, because we CANNOT seriously hurt them, given their mindset, while they CAN seriously hurt us. Intelligent self-interest should underlie all diplomacy. Unfortunately, expecting "Intelligence" from a neo-con is an oxymoron in action. Let us hope that their influence takes a sharp dip. Oh - a final thought. The SCOTUS has recently indicated that Congress should start exercising its Constitutional duty and stop being a rubber stamp for the Executive Branch. That was a surprise! Maybe even the Corporate welfare types are beginning to wake up to the fact that they have nourished a nest of vipers. Things could get interesting.



Comment #25: Truth_in_action said on 7/8/06 @ 11:07am ET...

#22 Rusty, what is October 5th? I missed notice of that date. A gathering in Washington? Please let me know where I can find details.

#34 Kory, at what point do we just say that this group is mad as hatters and want world war and a great depression? Bush&Co's actions so very often seem pointed for failure purposefully. The "fundamentalist" viewpoints seem shared by many in their administration, although they appear to be of various backgrounds.

It is so hard to think like these guys do, to see where they are headed and why. No one who is a balanced individual would be thinking and doing the things that they are.

The Repugs who follow blindly are like so many lemmings going off a cliff.



Comment #26: Truth_in_action said on 7/8/06 @ 11:08am ET...

#22 Rusty, what is October 5th? I missed notice of that date. A gathering in Washington? Please let me know where I can find details.

#34 Kory, at what point do we just say that this group is mad as hatters and want world war and a great depression? Bush&Co's actions so very often seem pointed for failure purposefully. The "fundamentalist" viewpoints seem shared by many in their administration, although they appear to be of various backgrounds.

It is so hard to think like these guys do, to see where they are headed and why. No one who is a balanced individual would be thinking and doing the things that they are.

The Repugs who follow blindly are like so many lemmings going off a cliff.



Comment #27: unspun said on 7/8/06 @ 11:28am ET...

Nolip #23 - I think "New McCarthyism" is a very accurate phrase to describe the policies of Bu$hCo. Their tactics of generating fear and bullying critics do parallel those used by Joe McCarthy.



Comment #28: feline said on 7/8/06 @ 11:51am ET...

U.S. Military Interventions from 1890 to 2006

Some History of U.S. Aggression and Pressure Against Iran

Iran-Contra Affair at Wikipedia

A History Lesson: U.S. Intervention in the Middle East Has Always Ended Up Being a Disaster for American Interests

These are just a few sites with articles and information on the history of U.S./Iran relations, and U.S. intervention in general.



Comment #29: Alma said on 7/8/06 @ 12:55pm ET...

Time for the general meeting to start.
Soapbox



Comment #30: ljm said on 7/8/06 @ 1:16pm ET...

Really good opinion piece in the NYTs about the case in court challenging the legality of the Deficit Reduction Act Bush signed becoming law. Congress didn't vote for the same version the senate did. Hastert and Frist signed off on it anyhow, saying it would be too much trouble to have a do over. The bill passed in the senate when Cheney broke the tie. This coupled with what we now know about the Hamdan SCOTUS amicus brief demonstrates that the inmates really are running the asylum. Stolen elections were just the beginning with this crowd. From that point forward, it's been stolen everything.



Comment #31: Rusty said on 7/8/06 @ 6:58pm ET...

Hi Truth in Action,

World Can't Wait and other groups are organizing a Mass Mobilization on Thursday, October 5, 2006.

From World Can't Wait:

"On Thursday, OCTOBER 5TH 2006: All day and into the night, across the country, we must decidedly break the paralysis that still grips too much of American political life.

Taking off work, taking off school, shutting down campuses and coming together in mass gatherings, we must let the country and the world know that:

---millions of us reject this illegitimate regime that is as criminal as it is dangerous to humanity & the existence of this planet.

---we refuse to grow accustomed to a political climate that is becoming everyday more frightening & reactionary.

WE are what we've been waiting for."

Oct 5 info

Several of us from Soapbox4Truth have decided to meet in Washington D.C. on October 4-7 to take part in the activities there. We hope many of our ConyersBlogger friends will join us. Whoever is interested is welcome to drop by the chat room tonight or tomorrow for further details. Or they can post questions or comments about it here on CB.

Soapbox4Truth



Comment #32: Truth_in_action said on 7/9/06 @ 10:43am ET...

Thanks, for the info, Rusty. I'm definitely intrigued and will look into attending.


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