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Blogged by JC on 01.05.06 @ 08:45 PM ET

Letter to Bush on Secret Spying Program
Was Christine Amanpour's phone really bugged? Will Bush bother to respond?


Today more than 20 Members (Democrats and an Independent) wrote to the President expressing concern with his warrantless surveillance program. Rawstory and numerous blogs have a copy of the letter. Much of the interest relates to the apparent disclosure by NBC News yesterday that CNN Reporter Christine Amanpour may have gotten tied up in the surveillance -- a story broken by AmericaBLOG who first disclosed that this question posed by Andrea Mitchell to the Time's Risen was deleted from the transcript, which only elevated the story.

Several observations:

First, I note that many individuals who have commented on this story at Rawstory's and AmericaBLOG's sites ask why we Democrats bother writing these letters if we're unlikely to get answers. As I have noted previously, there are several reasons. First, you never know if you might get an answer -- even if its evasive, it can help to flush them out. Second, the Administration's failure to answer is revealing unto itself, and can help build a public case for obstruction and lack of accountabililty. That is what the Downing Street Minutes were all about, and unless I'm mistaken, accountability and checks and balanaces (not to mention corruption and incompetence) will be what the 06 midterms will be about. Third, the mere fact of our asking can help shed light on the problem. The major print and broadcast media may pick it up (I note Kos is asking we not call it the mainstream media), public debate maybe stirred, thoughts may be refined etc. Fourth, many of our requests necessitate some sort of action -- our Resolutions of Inquiry force a vote in the Committee, again even if we lose, we create accountability through public votes and debate. Moreover, our requests to Inspector Generals and the GAO are statutorily required to be reviewed. Fifth, it shows that at least we Democrats are willing to speak up and stand for something, and that we will not lie down while the Constitution is tramelled.

Second, others have asked why I asked Bush to provide proposed statutory language on the program. I did not do so because I support the warrantless surveillance being conducted by the present Administration. I did so so that we could at least be on record as asking the President to show his hand. If he thinks the program is so important to national security, he should be obligated to detail how it works and justify it so that Congress can make the final determination. I believe we have a better chance debating this program in the light of day rather than Ashcroft's Hospital Room. Again, we may not receive an answer, but it would be somewhat telling that the President of the United States would not even send a proposed statute to us.

Third, I note that both NBC and CNN are denying any knowledge of Ms. Amanapour (who is married to former Clinton official Jamie Rubin) was bugged. That is all well and good, but really begs the question as to why Andrea Mitchell asked the question and why NBC deleted the passage from their transcript. The only one who would know for sure is the Administration, and that is why I asked. If freedom of the press still means anything in this country, I hope we get an honest answer.

Replies: 111 Comments


Comment #1: LeslieB said on 1/5/06 @ 9:12pm ET...

Dear Rep. Conyers,
Thank you. I hope we get many honest answers too!



Comment #2: Alma said on 1/5/06 @ 9:23pm ET...

Thanks Patriot for the link to the article in the last thread. I think Rep. Conyers letters are wonderful and shows that he is on top of things and cares.

I don't see any reason for him to have to explain why he is doing something, instead of doing nothing. I wish more of the House members could be inspired to follow Rep. Conyers and do their duty to this country.



Comment #3: DTW 06 said on 1/5/06 @ 9:49pm ET...

Having a name Bush can pronounce and being married to a former Clinton aid? Does investigative reporting and asks tough questions about huma suffering? Hmm, must be a threat to national security. Why not bug her?

By the way, the mud-slinging has begun anew over at Harry Reid's Blog and I just got hit:)

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Comment #4: unspun said on 1/5/06 @ 9:59pm ET...

Representative Conyers,
Thanks to you & the other 20 congressmembers for continuing to press for answers and accountability from the administration.

IMO, one person that apparently has some insight into the scope of the NSA surveillence program is former NSA official, Russ Tice. As you are aware, he has requested that he be allowed to tesify regarding the NSA program at the House & Senate Intelligence Committies. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060104-114052-6606r.htm



Comment #5: Pissed Off American said on 1/5/06 @ 10:50pm ET...

Representative Conyers, I am one of those people that has lamented the ineffectiveness of the letters. You have explained the reasoning behind these letters clearly, and I respect the reasoning, and condone and appreciate the action. However, in your comment you refer to "we democrats". Respectfully I would like to point out that the democrats that are RECOGNIZED by the majority of American citizens are absent as signators of the majority of these letters. For this reason it is an easy matter for the media to minimize or even ignore the sending of these letters, as well as ignore the Administratiion's refusal to provide answers. I do NOT bemoan the practice of sending the letters. What I do bemoan is the apparent DISENGAGEMENT of the publically recognized "democratic leadership". Certainly the efforts and patriotism of the signers is laudable and should be recognized. And please do not take my comments as an attempt to belittle or minimize the important role the signers, (listed below), are serving in attempting to inform the public of the myriad of transgressions that the Bush Administration is suffering upon our nation. But I truly lament the lack of courage or engagement that is seemingly the ill concieved tactic of the more readily recognizable names comprising the leadership of the so called "opposition party". Without their support, and their deep pockets, I see no hope of your efforts recieving the exposure that is required to nurture public support. I can't help but imagine, that, although you cannot publically state your feelings, you must be extremely dissappointed in the reluctance of so many of your colleagues to join you in launching an effective and forceful opposition to the Bush Administration and its criminal policies. I am sure that you read this blog, and are aware of my vehement opinion that we MUST demand that our Democratic leadership take a more forceful stand and seek a higher media profile in order to dislodge the Bush Administration from its many tentacled hold upon ALL BRANCHES of our government. As our "leaders" mewl and posture, with few exceptions, the Bush Administration places more and more ringers in positions of power, and the transgressions get more blatant and alarming, such as the NSA wiretaps, or the recess appointments to the Election commission.

God bless you and your courage, and I truly hope that yours is the kind of courage we can expect to see displayed, SOON, by ALL of your colleagues. For I fear, if such courage is not forthcoming, your efforts are for naught, and the terrible price we pay will be a steady erosion of our rights, our security, and our freedom.

And let me thank those that have signed ALL your letters, as well as the following people, who signed this latest letter....

Rep. John Conyers, Jr.; Rep. Bobby Scott; Rep. Lofgren; Rep. Nadler; Rep. Tauscher; Rep. Jackson Lee; Rep. McDermott; Rep. Meehan; Rep. Olver; Rep. Wexler; Rep. Inslee; Rep. Schakowsky; Rep. Doggett; Rep. Kucinich; Rep. McCollum; Rep. Berman; Rep. Baldwin; Rep. Van Hollen; Rep. David Price; Rep. Tom Udall; Rep. Ackerman; Rep. Wasserman Shultz; Rep. Sabo; Rep. Tierney; Rep. Hinchey; Rep. Sanders



Comment #6: DTW 06 said on 1/5/06 @ 11:00pm ET...

Sorry to break from the topic, but I just wanted to make Conyers Bloggers aware of how fortunate we are to have Rep. Conyers speaking up on important issues that affect of will affect the lives, liberty, and pursuit of happines of everyday Americans.

This evening Harry Reid re-opened his blog with the following post:

"Jan 5, 10:11 PM Harry Reid

Yet again, Pat Robertson has made a completely outrageous, insulting and inappropriate comment. Prime Minister Sharon is fighting for his life. He and his family deserve our thoughts and prayers, and I hope Mr. Robertson will offer them after he apologizes."

#18- Harry,

I was considering posting a comment about this Robertson joker (who should have been past his 15 minutes of fame over 20 years ago) on my blog, but decided against it. Posting about Robertson is too easy. The guy is a satire of himself.

Try something a bit more worthy of your intellect and fighting spirit; answer these neocon cool-aid drinkers. Shoot down their obvious (and sometimes subtle) manipulation of information and the english language. Breaking complex, multi-faceted issues into simplistic catch phrases and mixing in a little smart-assed name calling is their stock-n-trade.

Come-on Harry hit ‘em where it hurts.

You just need to keep it short and sweet, sort of like those quick jabs your website tells us you used to throw.

Don’t take their shit, give ‘em a few body blows. Come out swinging. Follow Conyers lead. Some suggestions:
– Cut Tax and Spend Like Drunken Sailor Neocons
– Arrogance = Ignorance
– The Christian Right is Neither
– Jesus was a Radical, not a Reactionary
– Giving up freedom for security delivers neither
– The Founding Fathers Wrote a Bill of Rights, and did not want the President to be King!
– We won the Iraq War, with NO Plan to win the Peace!
– Every President after 9/11/01 will be a Wartime President
– What did Bush do on 9/11 after he finished reading “My Pet Goat”?
– Enough is Enough!
– Truth can set us free (even when its ugly)
– Remember Katrina!

Be a tougher leader. Don’t hold back. Commenting on human punching bags like Pat Robertson is no work-out!
— DTW 06 Jan 5, 11:49 PM #

Considering what has been discussed here, I decided to take a slightly less, pissed-off approach to encouraging Harry to do some heavy lifting during this time of historical Constitutional Crisis. I encourage any of you to do the same.

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Comment #7: Citizen J said on 1/5/06 @ 11:37pm ET...

Off topic:

WOW this is funny! My respect for Dave just went up 1000%...

Letterman to O'Reilly: "60% of what you say is crap"
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Letterman-OReilly.wmv



Comment #8: Pissed Off American said on 1/5/06 @ 11:52pm ET...

"Considering what has been discussed here, I decided to take a slightly less, pissed-off approach to encouraging Harry to do some heavy lifting during this time of historical Constitutional Crisis. I encourage any of you to do the same."

Careful, I just found out that I am a right wing troll, so watch what you say over there, you might just get accused of being the same. You should be alright if you just kiss ass and humor Harry though. Just don't ask any tough questions.

Oh, and be sure not to mention it if you actually call your representatives, you might just get labeled as being a "nut".



Comment #9: DTW 06 said on 1/6/06 @ 12:09am ET...

Is this the kinder, gentler POA? Watch out, you may be accused of being on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way!



Comment #10: DTW 06 said on 1/6/06 @ 12:14am ET...

Did I forget to mention that a true American is running for Congress in Michigan's 11th district. Check out Tony Trupiano’s Blog and share your thoughts. Right wing trolls need not apply. By the way, Tony did a great job filling in for the best host in talk radio today, Big Ed Shultz, over the holiday break.

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Comment #11: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 12:47am ET...

"Is this the kinder, gentler POA?"

Naaaa, I'm just temporarily between spankings.



Comment #12: GreyHawk121 said on 1/6/06 @ 1:01am ET...

Congressman -

An interesting idea came up on DailyKos - please check out this diary and, if you think it holds merit, pass it along to where it would do the most good.

Thank you.



Comment #13: jmatthan said on 1/6/06 @ 4:07am ET...

I am really why wondering why Congressman Conyers Jr. had to explain his reasons for his actions. To me, a non-American sitting here thousands of kilometres away, each of his steps has been logical and essential. Is that not obvious to all Americans who see their country moving at breakneck speed towards a totally fascistic State?

Without the systematic work of Congressman Conyers Jr. (and no other American politician has even shown the slightest intention of doing this other than Congressman Denniss Kucinich) history would be distorted by the fascists.

Congressman Conyers Jr.'s steps have been recorded by all of us political analysts around the world. Despite the American MainStream Media virtually blacking him out, he has done yoeman service to all Freedom Lovers around the world.

Thank you Congressman Conyers Jr.



Comment #14: Jay Lechnyr said on 1/6/06 @ 5:22am ET...

You are quite right jmatthan. I too have noted the systemmatic and logical method in the face of madness. Mr. Conyers today should be considered every bit as important figure in American history as Jack Anderson was over 30 years ago. It's interesting to see a congressman, who has the authority to investigate having such difficulties compared to a reporter, who had access to the media.



Comment #15: rainbowsally said on 1/6/06 @ 5:33am ET...

Hi John.

You wrote:

Fifth, it shows that at least we Democrats are willing to
speak up and stand for something, and that we will not lie
down while the Constitution is tramelled.

----

But this is not entirely true. It does show which Democrats
are willing to do what's right, but unfortunately that
doesn't usually include the House leadership. At least that
seems to be the case, until they are backed into a corner and
can't avoid taking a stand.

As you know, I'm sure, the Constitution didn't even envision
the possibility of parties! That kind of school spirit or
morale uber alles is where all kinds of badness can hide.

While I agree that the Democrats do have many advantages over
the Republicans (and if Daschle runs for prez, I'll be hard
pressed not to vote for him!!) but in reality the Greens stand
for more of what the average American believes in and wants
than either the Dems or the Reps.

There is way too much money involved in politics anymore. It
can only corrupt those who are involved in it and as we know
mammon is not really a fit master anyway.

The solution? Is it possible to have politics without money?
Is it possible to have a strong secure nation without Capital?

That's not an easy question. Actually it's probably so easy
we'll likely never figure it out.

Where's Descartes when we need him? (He published, therefor
he was. Otherwise there'd have been no witnesses.)

Other than that, no disagreement with your statement. So please
do keep writing those letters. It does "flush them out", though
you seemed not to realize who all might be included in the "them"
part of your sentance.

Like watching shadows, some things can be seen most clearly by
noticing the light they block.

There are now 18 (total, including non-related) mentions of the
words "downing street memo" in the House Record.

Thank you ladies!

And gentlemen...

Keep up the great work, John. Thank you very very much for all
your hard work and dedication.



Comment #16: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 7:06am ET...

Congressman Conyers,

Those of us who have followed BushCo over the length of the debacle known as his "Administration" are very eager for Bush to show his hand but the reality is that he never will. Why? Because his response (when there is one) is covered in layers of obfuscation, outright lies and Bushspeak (you gotta love how he twisted "illegal wiretaps" into "national security").
As I remember it, it was legal action against "Tricky Dick" Nixon that finally forced his hand. Congress subpoenaed Nixon's tapes. Nixon tried to fight it in the courts but was eventually forced to turn them over. If its good for the goose its even better for the chicken hawk. It's in this country's best interests to stop the letter writing and to subpoena George Bush until he can't take a crap without a process server in his face. Here's the kicker: "Executive Privilege" doesn't wash here just as it didn't wash during Nixon's administration. The only privilege that the Executive retains is to serve the best interests of this country. BushCo hasn't (nor will it ever) come close to doing that.
As head of the Judiciary Committee can't you start the subpoena pipeline and get BushCo into court where, under oath, he will have to explain himself to the American people (except the Rethuglicans who are already marching in goose step to BushCo's music)?



Comment #17: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 7:13am ET...

If it helps, heres a reference:

“The judicial branch became involved when Nixon refused to turn over taped conversations requested by investigators. The president claimed he had the right to refuse because of executive privilege. But the Supreme Court ruled that the tapes likely included evidence of illegal activity by government officials and that releasing the tapes did not threaten national security. Therefore, executive privilege could not be invoked in this case.

The tapes and other evidence prompted the House of Representatives to begin taking the necessary steps that would lead to the president's impeachment. Shortly after that, President Nixon announced his resignation."

Watergate Revisited

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-- George Santayana, The Life of Reason



Comment #18: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 8:32am ET...

#16 Nolip said, "As head of the Judiciary Committee can't you start the subpoena pipeline..."

Mr. Conyers is not the Chairman of the committee. He is the ranking Democrat. Sensenbrenner (R-WI) is the Chair and has to power to hold hearings. One of the things Mr. Conyers requested in his report "Constitution in Crisis" was that the minority party be allowed to hold committee hearings.



Comment #19: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 8:35am ET...

Pat Robertson either needs to lay off or start taking the meds prescribed for his persistent goofiness. He's a charter member of Bush's "nut job" club.



Comment #20: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 8:45am ET...

#18 Patriot

Screw Sensenbrenner, at the end of the day, he's still a blowhard not to mention a miscreant who's done more to subvert the Constitution than to uphold it, which he is sworn to do (I'd wager that Jimmy boy had some dealings with Diamond Jack Abramoff).

Congressman Conyers is more up to speed about what he can and cannot do as ranking Dem on the Judiciary committee, but it would seem to me that the Dems aren't going to get anywhere holding committee hearings, especially if Sensenbrenner decides to pull the "nothing under oath" card (just like he pulled the "seventh level of hell" card for the Downing Street Minutes hearings). There has to be enough Democrats with their cajones left intact to start the subpoena process for any and all documents related to the illegal wiretaps sanctioned by Bush, in or out of committee. Bush is vulnerable. Congressman Conyers and like minded Dems (and maybe a Republican or two) just need to find Bush's soft underbelly (hold your noses please! we're professionals here! do not try this at home!)



Comment #21: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 8:51am ET...

What civil war? The problem with Iraq is us, the U.S.! They don’t want or need us there any longer.
Bush's policy continues in true form, bankrupt from the get go!

“Suicide bombers targeted Shiite pilgrims in the south and police recruits in central Iraq Thursday, killing about 100 people in the deadliest string of attacks in the country since September.

The U.S. military said a roadside bomb killed five American soldiers patrolling in the Baghdad area. Earlier, Iraqi police Capt. Rahim Slaho said the U.S. convoy was heading for the Shiite holy city of Karbala when it was attacked 15 miles south of the city, and five soldiers were killed."

Iraq Erupts In Violence....
Top US General: “Iraq Security Forces Could Become Militias Or Armed Gangs”...



Comment #22: Rusty said on 1/6/06 @ 9:04am ET...

I hope everyone will please excuse me for interjecting some insane drivel, but I would like to point out that comments I posted in a previous thread about "Democrats getting out of the way", have been intentionally and repeatedly distorted by POA.

THIS is what I posted:

"When the GOP is riding a runaway freight train full of bullshit and smoldering dynamite right over a cliff into a bottomless pit, the smartest thing to do is get out of the way. I think that's what Reid, Pelosi, Boxer et al have been doing.

That strategy is risky, it's certainly not inspiring, and it's been costly to many people, but when most Americans have thought since 2001 that the GOP's freight train full of bullshit and smoldering dynamite was the Freedom Express, telling them otherwise just gets you marginalized.

The GOP stench is overwhelming now and that dynamite is blowing up Republicans all over the place, so maybe Reid et al aren't as craven or stupid as the Ayatollah's fatwa's would have us believe."

"Insane drivel" fans might want to reread the second paragraph. If anyone doubts the accuracy of that paragraph, just ask FORMER Minority Leader Tom Daschle what he thinks. Ask FORMER Senator Max Cleland. They were marginalized right out of the Senate.

In EVERY exchange POA has had with someone who disagrees with him, he has distorted what they've posted and then attacks them. In my opinion, he is waging a psychotic vendetta against Harry Reid.

Harry Reid this. Harry Reid that. Harry Reid. Harry Reid. Harry Reid.

Please excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but Harry Reid isn't blocking Phase Two. That fascist asshole PAT ROBERTS is blocking Phase Two.

Where's PAT ROBERTS' super double secret phone number, POA? Why don't you call HIM? Why don't you post HIS phone number for us? If you despise GOP fascists so much, why are you giving Pat Roberts a free ride?

Why aren't you calling BILL FRIST? Why aren't you calling SENSENBRENNER? Why aren't you calling HASTERT and DELAY and SCHMIDT and SANTORUM and the other fascist thugs in that sewer plant some people call the GOP?

THEY are the criminals who are destroying this country. They have phone numbers. But you don't seem to want to confront THEM, do you POA. Are you afraid of them?

THEY are the thugs raping our economy and our environment and our civil liberties and spouting insane drivel all over the place, but we're supposed to call Harry Reid instead and ask him about his blog.

Pointing out that POA seems to be a fanatic cyberspace stalker of Harry Reid is not "bickering". Defending myself against a serial distorter of my posts is not "bickering." Asking why POA calls everyone who disagrees with him a covert wingnut is not "bickering."

For anyone concerned about "unity", since when has POA demonstrated any regard for unity? POA's idea of unity is the same as George W. Bush's idea of unity. If you support POA you are an American. If you do not support POA, you are a not an American.

Where have we heard THAT before? Who parades around America spouting garbage like that? George W. Bush and his thugs, that's who. Who parades around here spouting that garbage? POA, that's who.

Marching behind POA in his jihad against Harry Reid is not my idea of progressive unity. Slandering Democrats is not going to destroy GOP fascism, it's one of the main weapons of GOP fascism.

I don't know if POA is a covert wingnut or not, but torching Harry Reid with his flamethrower is getting a little old. His attacks on Patriot were the most despicable comments ever posted on this blog.

I wasn't going to participate here again until I got my calendars and we could all celebrate the fall of the Bush Wall, but POA's abusive attacks on Patriot made me one pissed off participator.

Start attacking the real enemies of this country, POA. And don't go within ten miles of one of Patriot's posts.



Comment #23: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 9:23am ET...

As Anne did in "King Kong" when caught between Kong and the T-rex, I'm going to stand over by Rusty. :)



Comment #24: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 9:42am ET...

Since George Bush is our Number 1 Domestic Terrorist ("Be Afraid! Be Very Afraid") and is vulnerable because he's paranoid (almost trinoid) let's kick up this "domestic surveillance for national security purposes" a notch:
1) What or who has George admitted he's wiretapped and what or who is still left for him to admit that he wiretapped?
1) Were any and all conversations going into and coming out of Congress, or the White House for that matter, wiretapped? Wouldn't George's cronies be a little upset that he was eavesdropping on them just as easily as he eavesdropped on those UN delegates? What's to stop George? According to George, NOTHING, not even the Constitution because "its just a piece of paper".
2) How about George and Laura's pillow talk, are we getting any of that, and if so, where are the transcripts (boring, yes, but maybe he told her something at the height of coitus...like, maybe..."I'm God"!)
3) Did George hack into Cheney's phone line to make sure Big Dick was still "on board".
4) Did George monitor the Supreme Court to learn if any of them were saying nasty things about him...using appropriate terms like paranoid, malcontent, miscreant?

You see where I'm going with this, don't you? Once Bush OK's illegal wiretaps, nobody in this country is safe, not even George because, hey the phone lines at the White House are "fair game" and with the Freedom of Information Act, the people of this country, who pay George's salary, have a right to know who he's talking to, wouldn't you agree?



Comment #25: Ohiodem1 said on 1/6/06 @ 9:52am ET...

Rusty #22 - I'm with you on this. He does the same to me and others. I called POA on this in the previous thread.

I see that our friends Stoufi1 and Point of Order have returned after their holiday.

I sense desperation on the part of the majority party in Congress, as they can see the writing on the wall that they will not be the majority party next year. Look for a massive PR and distraction campaign in the next few months. Our job is to play through the distractions, keep our heads about us and fight back with truth and and keeping on point. Thanks, OD1



Comment #26: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 9:53am ET...

The data has been stored, from what I understand, and it will take a simple search to find the other breed of terrorits, LIBERALS.




Comment #27: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 9:55am ET...

#26 Patriot "data" = phone tapping data.



Comment #28: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 11:07am ET...

#23- LMAO Patriot!



Comment #29: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 11:45am ET...

A billion here, a billion there...pretty soon we're talking about real money.

A new study by two leading academic experts suggests that the costs of the Iraq war will be substantially higher than previously reckoned. In a paper presented to this week’s Allied Social Sciences Association annual meeting in Boston MA., Harvard budget expert Linda Bilmes and Columbia University Professor and Nobel Laureate Joseph E. Stiglitz calculate that the war is likely to cost the United States a minimum of nearly one trillion dollars and potentially over $2 trillion.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/5/11510/30624



Comment #30: LeslieB said on 1/6/06 @ 12:11pm ET...

Unrelated to Rep. Conyers' post above, except in terms of the larger picture regarding Bush's imperial presidency...I saw this over at Patriot Daily and wanted to share it because it hasn't attracted much attention:

Bush's thumbing his nose at Congress on McCain's anti-torture bill wasn't an isolated case. Bush has attached similar signing statements to numerous bills, which begs the question: What do we need Congress for if the legislation they produce is superfluous?



Comment #31: Jay Lechnyr said on 1/6/06 @ 12:15pm ET...

Citizen J. Sandra was reporting that figure over a year ago and few commented on it. I guess she thought nobody was listening because I don't see her here anymore.



Comment #32: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 12:31pm ET...

One has to wonder why my admonitions to demand action and engagement from our representatives has Rusty's panties in such a bunch. He cares more about my stated opinions than he does about the MYSTERY of the opinions of the leadership of the democratic party. Considering that he, and others here, COMPLETELY IGNORE the fact that the mainstream recognized Democratic figures have not seen fit to publically take a stand on key issues, such as voter fraud, the NSA wiretaps, etc, one has to wonder exactly WHAT it is they are defending. It is inaction and business as usual politics that has delivered us to this juncture. If any of you think that the same corrupt behavior that is so blatantly displayed by so many on the right is not practiced by many on the left as well, than you simply have not been paying attention, or are blinded by partisan stupidity. The ONLY defense I have seen launched here for the inaction of many of our Democratic leaders is their party affiliation. Because of the fact they are Democrats, I am supposed to just accept on good faith they represent the interests of this nation, when in fact their inaction and dsisengagement tells me EXACTLY the opposite. I have NO CLUE where our "minority LEADER" stands on voter fraud, the NSA wiretaps, or John Conyers efforts at censure and impeachment. How in God's name is that defensible in this critical period of our nation's history? However, I DO know, from his posted commnents at his blog, that he "appreciates Bush's candor" on "how" we went to war. I DO know that he states that he is glad that "Bush is hearing the calls of Americans" on reducing troop strength in Iraq. I DO know that he disagrees with Pat Robertson that God struck Sharon down. And I DO know that he shut down the Senate in a huge grandstand play that many Americans believe paid dividends because of the publicity it garnered for BOTH parties, yet the TRUTH is is that it paid NO dividends for Americans, and both the media, AND HARRY REID, have failed to publicize that fact. Harry Reid took credit for an action that was NOT COMPLETED, and refuses to recognize or publicize that fact. You people should be asking yourselves what back room deals, if any, are BUYING the silence and inaction of your representatives. Because SOMETHING stinks here. And Bush's recess appointments of certain cronies to the Election Commission should tell you what is to come. This is NOT a time for disengagement, weak posturing, or political business as usual. The irony here is that so many of you seemingly purport to support John Conyers' efforts, yet excuse the complete failure of our representatives to even publically RECOGNIZE Conyers' efforts, much less support them.

And BTW, your constant efforts and admonitions to the administration of this site to have me banned is PATHETIC, and very telling unto itself. And I seriously question why someone feels, to post here, they need to EXPLAIN through their label, their party affiliation, OR their "patriotism".

I advocate strong opposition, and I advocate demanding representation from a party leadership that has for the most part has FAILED us in launching strong opposition to the policies of the Bush Administration. If that bothers some of you, tough shit. But I can tell you in all conviction and faith, if we do not get our representatives to sign onto displaying the same kind of activism and courage that John Conyers is displaying, NOW, we are going to LOSE the midterms, because our leaders are trying to play hardball with a nerfball. The Neocons have left no stone unturned, and will stop at NOTHING to retain power, yet so many of you defend the WEAK and DISENGAGED opposition that those like Reid are waging. Keep it up, and you will LOSE the '06 midterms for us.



Comment #33: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 12:44pm ET...

"For anyone concerned about "unity", since when has POA demonstrated any regard for unity? POA's idea of unity is the same as George W. Bush's idea of unity. If you support POA you are an American. If you do not support POA, you are a not an American."

Stop putting words in my mouth. If the only way you can exert your bullshit in my direction is by distorting my positions and statements, I suggest you back off and do a little introspection. I will not be responding to you anymore Rusty, because, quite honestly, I think you are acting like an immature child.



Comment #34: sanitysojourner said on 1/6/06 @ 12:50pm ET...

#22 Rusty: In keeping with your suggestion to contact Roberts, senators and representatives, I used your list and obtained the contact numbers. Lest anyone be concerned, the numbers are publically available. I have no interest in, ability to or need to divulge personal info. Besides, I'm not running an invasive program to spy on American citizens, so I don't have any special super secret info.

The biggest danger in using these numbers is that I may have inadvertently transposed numbers. Corrections welcome. Also, many have more than one office in their home state, so I arbitrarily selected one. Check their federal .gov sites for other office listings.

Roberts: the best I could find was a general number for CBN:
757 226-7000

Frist: 202 224-3344
Nashville office: 615 352-9411

Hastert: 202 225-2976
Dixon office: 815 288-0640

DeLay: 202 225-5951
Stafford office: 281-240-3700

Schmidt: 202 225-3164
Cincinnati office: 513 791-0381

Santorum: 202 224-6324
Philadelphia office: 215 864-6900

Sensenbrenner: 202 225-5101
Brookfield office: 262 784-1111
Outside Milwaukee 1 800 242-1119
(presumably reaches WI office)

Please double-check numbers before using. Again, I obtained the numbers from their public web sites.

The current discourse on this blog must be interesting to our friends Point of Order and Soufi1 indeed. And what do you think a disenfranchised Republican who has heard about this blog would think after scanning through the monopolism, the one-beat berating venting? Wouldn't seem like a very welcoming place, let alone a potential new home to discuss ideas.

I suggest that anyone so deeply angered at a specific office holder such as Sen. Reid run against him. I've done it and think that it is a much more positive approach than berating those who are in basic agreement.



Comment #35: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 12:56pm ET...

#31- Did she? Must've missed it, thanks Jay. The reason Sandra doesn't post here anymore is because she was unfortunately banned.



Comment #36: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 1:02pm ET...

POA, I don't think anyone has called for you to be banned. What we'd like is for your constant ATTACKS on everyone to stop, that's all. It brings the entire blog down.

Really, man- YOU'RE the one acting like an immature child.



Comment #37: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 1:05pm ET...

"I suggest that anyone so deeply angered at a specific office holder such as Sen. Reid run against him. I've done it and think that it is a much more positive approach than berating those who are in basic agreement."

A great idea. I am going to just drop the idea of demanding representation from our so called leadership, shut down my cabinet shop, and migrate immediately to Washington so I can run against Reid!!! Now THERES a solution, damn it!! Quick, wheres one of those "IB" lapel pins, I don't wanna run off without any ammo!

But fear not, I will give Roberts a call too. I am sure he will be suprised to learn that as a Democrat I am a bit miffed about the absence of the so called "Phase Two" progress report, and he will immediately thank Reid for his patience, and turn it over to us.



Comment #38: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 1:09pm ET...

"POA, I don't think anyone has called for you to be banned. What we'd like is for your constant ATTACKS on everyone to stop, that's all. It brings the entire blog down."

Read this thread. Then get back to me about "attacks" versus positive posting. OK?



Comment #39: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 1:12pm ET...

Already did, thanks. Look, all I'm trying to say is just back off the constant attacks, OK? They just don't help the cause and make people run AWAY from your message (which I mostly agree with, btw) rather than TOWARDS it. That's all I'm suggesting to you.



Comment #40: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:13pm ET...

"Stop putting words in my mouth. If the only way you can exert your bullshit in my direction is by distorting my positions and statements, I suggest you back off and do a little introspection. I will not be responding to you anymore Rusty, because, quite honestly, I think you are acting like an immature child."

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ADMIN - I think there is a good consesus here that we have had enough with Pissed Off American(POA)'s rants here on this blog. Even though we fellow posters such myself DO understand why Pissed Off American posts as he does, and we agree COMPLETELY with EVERY point that POA makes on this blog, he continues to not only attack Mr. Conyers with insults and abrasive remarks, but does so as well to fellow posters, as well as posts his obsessions/fixations with what now seems to elevate to the harassment of Harry Ried, the Democratic Minority Leader of the Senate. In addition, he continues to use swear words and other remarks, which CLEARLY violates the rules of discourse of this blog - to the point that is resembles what a troll does on any message board or forum.

He insults people with abrasive remarks, swears and personal attacks, as I have quoted above from he recent posts, his very presence here has made the enviornment of this forum very hostile for the current forum membership, and for anyone who wanted to join this forum to discuss ideas in a "civilized" manner, which has become an unfortunate thing with POA's presence here on this forum.

ADMIN - enough is enough with POA, and his insulting, abrasive and angry remarks (which inculdes name calling and the prolific use of swear words). I ask that, despite the understandable objection of people like DTW and OhioDem1, that he be BANNED from this blog. A majority of us either a) skip the angry and insulting posts or b) fight with him to get himn to calm him down.

ADMIN - please clamp down on POA's rude, angry, and insulting behavior and tempertantrums, and ban him altogether from this forum.

Thank you for listening.



Comment #41: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 1:15pm ET...

No no no, Neerav, don't call for anyone ELSE to be banned. There's already been ENOUGH of that.



Comment #42: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:17pm ET...

Ladies & Gentlemen of Conyers Blog:

I have had enough with the angry rants, attacks, insults and swearing by POA against both Mr. Conyers and against my fellow posters on this forum, which has made this forum veryhostile even for me to post in.

I am "highly" considering leaving this blog, unless either a) POA cleans up his mouth or b) the ADMIN bans him from this forum, which should return the enviornment

Ladies & Gentlement of Conyers Blog, either POA goes by being banned by the ADMIN (or cleans up his mouth), or I do. Which will it be?



Comment #43: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:20pm ET...

Comment #41: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 1:15pm ET...

No no no, Neerav, don't call for anyone ELSE to be banned. There's already been ENOUGH of that

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Then I have no choice but to LEAVE this forum. I can no longer tolerate the angry posts, insults and personal attacks that POA launches against Mr. Conyers and against fellow posters such as myself, Rusty, Patriot, etc...on this blog EVERY DAY!

Therefore, unless you can convive me not to stay, or have the Admin have POA clean up his mouth, I am out of here!!!



Comment #44: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 1:24pm ET...

January 6, 2006

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/06/01/ana06003.html

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

An excerpt;

"Apparently, the Dems plan on holding their powder until it's no longer of use. By then Congress will cease to be a meaningful decision making body, because the Republican executive branch, backed by the GOP cabal Supreme Court, will continue to usurp the decision making authority of the elected representatives of the American people.

The patriots who founded this country didn't keep finding excuses for keeping their powder dry. They didn't fear a fight or their lives.

They knew what was at stake.

Thank God our current Senate Democrats weren't at Lexington and Concord! They would have run the other way instead of waiting to see the "whites of their eyes" as the lobster coats approached."



Comment #45: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 1:28pm ET...

"he continues to not only attack Mr. Conyers with insults and abrasive remarks"

Why don't you give us an example of just what the hell you are talking about, Neerav? When you are unable to do so, would it insult your fragile sensibilities if I simply called you a liar, then moved on?



Comment #46: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:36pm ET...

It's not just about calling me a liar, POA, its is about your childish tamtrums and behavior, which include the use of insults, curse words and personal attacks against

I don't need just one example.......ever post that you have done is more than enough proof for it. Look at the posts by others about you in the last thread and this one, or are you so BLINDED by your unlrelanting rage and anger not to see the evidence against you.

And yes, Citizen J, I would rather have POA banned from this forum so that this forum can return to normal, so I am sticking with calling on the ADMIN to ban POA from this forum!!!



Comment #47: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:40pm ET...

I did not finish my first sentence........sorry. The point is, this forum has become very hostile for peopel to discuss and exchange ideas, and you are the reason for it, POA. look at all of the people who are now against you, and are very angry at you for it.

For example, look at Citizen J's post, trying to convive you to just calm down and not kerep on doing what you are doing:

Look, all I'm trying to say is just back off the constant attacks, OK? They just don't help the cause and make people run AWAY from your message (which I mostly agree with, btw) rather than TOWARDS it. That's all I'm suggesting to you.

Seriously, POA you just need to eitehr chill out with the attacks, insults and offensive language on this forum against Mr. Conyers and those on this forum, leave this forum, or get banned from this forum. It is really that simple.

The choice is yours, so choose wisely.

Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, let's get back to ths topic of this forum thread, as I tire of this discussion over POA's childish tantrums.



Comment #48: DTW 06 said on 1/6/06 @ 1:45pm ET...

#32 - "if we do not get our representatives to sign onto displaying the same kind of activism and courage that John Conyers is displaying, NOW, we are going to LOSE the midterms, because our leaders are trying to play hardball with a nerfball. The Neocons have left no stone unturned, and will stop at NOTHING to retain power, yet so many of you defend the WEAK and DISENGAGED opposition that those like Reid are waging. Keep it up, and you will LOSE the '06 midterms for us."

That post was almost poetic. Thanks for keeping focused. Is this the POA manifesto? See POA can post without insulting anyone. Now didn't that feel good:)

Neerav, you're not from Detroit are you?



Comment #49: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:48pm ET...

DTW:

I live in New York......currently on Long Island, but I have a house in upstate New York. You are more than welcome to stop by and visit me on Long Island anytine!. :)

Anyways, folks, let us all stop with POA. I say that if you don't like what POA writes, then just ignore his posts......as he will only be ranting to himself.

We need to focus on the issues that Mr. Conyers presents to us, not on the bad behavior of a fellow poster!



Comment #50: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 1:53pm ET...

Wait, I said I was going to leave this forum right.......yeah, dream on!!! I cannot abandon Mr. Conyer's cause and the people like you who support it.......NEVER. If I leave, then both you and I have lost. That cannot happen.

Alright folks, sign this petition, DEMANDING to members of Congress to IMPEACH Bush and his cronies over this illegal Iraq War.

Yes, remember DSM? Well, time to reremember it. Sign this petition by Democrats.org and pass it on to others as soon as possible!!!

Should Bush and Cheney Be Impeached for the Iraq War



Comment #51: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 2:07pm ET...

Neerav, you have accused me of "insults and personal attacks that POA launches against Mr. Conyers" everyday. I AM calling you a liar, and you cannot WEASEL your way out of such accusatiions with your usual schizophrenic dissemblings and mood swings. Read this thread through, and note the tone of my first post. Then, if it isn't too much to ask, keep reading if you want to HONESTLY examine where this thread was taken off track and into hostile territory. Rusty had a choice here, he could have posted to topic, commented on my post, or added his own commnents about Robertson. Instead, once again, Rusty decided his vendetta needed play on this thread. I am not going to idly stand by for that, whether you want me to or not. I suggest to you that the disruption on this thread was entirely unneccesary, and was due to RUSTY'S ATTACK that had NOTHING to do with my initial comment on this thread, nor did Rusty see fit to apply his comment to the topic of this thread. So if you are going to lament attacks and disruption, I suggest you do so honestly, or not at all. I find you vastly irritating, and if queried on my read on your nature, would have to offer the term "weasel" as an apt description of your constant nipping at my heels. I invite you to comment civilly on my initial post here, and I will return the gesture. But if this whining snitchy crap that you have offered these last few posts is any example of what we can expect from you, I would wager that there is more than one observer here that would WELCOME your exodus.

Was I disrespectful to John Conyers at one time??? Absolutely. I was frustrated and angry about what I see as the unchecked distruction of every tenet and moral imperative that this nation was once founded on. And I was deeply offended by the tittilating foreshadowing he preceded his "announcement" with. I found it condescending and insulting. That is my opinion, and I voiced it freely. But since the release of his report, I have stood squarely behind and in support of Conyers' efforts. I DEFY you to back up your assertion that I have insulted John Conyers in any manner since his release of this report. That is why I am comfortable calling you a LIAR in responding to your whining and weaseling. I am sick of of it, Neerav.

Again, if you want to address my intitial post here in a civil manner, go for it, and I will respond in kind. But otherwise, stop LYING about my comments, and leave me the hell alone.



Comment #52: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 2:26pm ET...

Girls! Girls! Settle down...you're going to give yourselves a Bush attack or something...we're here to "discuss" the pros and cons of this administration ("pro" "con" read "professional conartistry")...not chew each other up like so much Iraqui cannon fodder (goodness knows there's enough of that in Tikrit).
Take off the tight fitting clothing, have a nice cup of whatever, take a breath and come back to the discussion.



Comment #53: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 2:47pm ET...

I think the best thing to do is that if you do not like POA's posts, just skip over them and move on.

Don't respond to POA's posts.......it is THAT simple. Just skip over it and read the next post or posts downwards. This whole fight about POA on this forum is making us lose our focus, and is uselessly draining our energy from what we should really be talking about here.

So yes, let's quit the bickering and refocus on the issues here, NOT on semantics!



Comment #54: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 2:49pm ET...

I hope everyone here on Conyers Blog has signed the petition that I posted from Democrats.com, demanding to the members of Congress that Bush be impeached over the Iraq War.

If you have not done so already, then please do so. I posted it on #50, so please sign it and pass it on, so we can spread the word out. Thanks!



Comment #55: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 2:53pm ET...

Well, at least we now know if Reid is going to support Conyers or not. I guess out "minority leader" feels Bush should not be held accountable for his criminal constitutional abuses.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2006/jan/03/010310016.html

On other issues, Reid said:

He wouldn't support any move to impeach President Bush - who has been a target of harsh criticism from Reid. "I think that should be a last resort," Reid said, adding, "I'm certainly not interested in impeachment. I'm interested in good government."



Comment #56: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 3:00pm ET...

Booooooooooooooooooo hissssssssss Harry Reid. Wimp.



Comment #57: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 3:02pm ET...

John Conyers Jr. is breaking is out, busting loose!!!!

I saw this post from DU. I will post both the link and thread full texts. I saw this on DU from Kevin from Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), and Mr. Conyers may post this up later on this blog.

Let's rock and roll, peoples!!!

Conyers and Scott Call for Congressional Hearing on FBI Misconduct in May

Here is the full text of that letter to James Sensenbrenner by John Conyers and Robert Scott :

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January 6, 2006

The Honorable F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Chairman
Committee on the Judiciary
U.S. House of Representatives
2138 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Mr. Chairman:
We are writing to request that the Committee conduct hearings on the report issued today by the Justice Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) concerning the FBI's mishandling of the Brandon Mayfield case, by which they wrongly alleged that he was involved in the 2004 Madrid train bombings and held him as a material witness for two weeks. The OIG report was in response to letters written by Representative Scott, Senator Feingold, and myself earlier this year.
The Report raises real and serious questions regarding racial and ethnic profiling by the FBI, as well as their competence, veracity and use of PATRIOT Act powers. Among other things, the Report contains numerous findings that call into question the Justice Department's ability to impartially collect and analyze evidence related to terrorism. In its Report, the OIG noted that:
° Mr. Mayfield's Muslim religion was a factor in the FBI's examination of his fingerprints. "e believe that Mayfield's representation of a convicted terrorist and other facts developed during the field investigation, including his Muslim religion, also likely contributed to the examiners' failure to sufficiently reconsider the identification after legitimate questions about it were raised." (Report at 12). In fact, "One of the examiners candidly admitted that if the person identified had been someone without these characteristics, like the 'Maytag Repairman,' the Laboratory might have revisited the identification with more skepticism and caught the error." (Report at 12).

° The FBI offered inaccurate assertions to the court in support of its material witness and search warrant requests. "We found that the affidavits contained several inaccuracies that reflected a regrettable lack of attention to detail. In addition, we found the wording of the affidavits to be troubling in several respects." (Report at 19).

° The FBI fingerprint examiners were reckless in their duties. "e concluded that the examiners committed errors in the examination procedure, and that the misidentification could have been prevented through a more rigorous application of several principles of latent fingerprint identification." (Report at 6). Similarly, the OIG dismissed the FBI's claim that it misidentified the fingerprint because it did not have the original evidence (i.e., the bag on which the print was found). "The OIG reviewed the evidence and concluded that, contrary to the FBI's claims, having access to the bag would not necessarily have prevented the from misidentifying Mayfield." (Report at 12).

° The PATRIOT Act "amplified" the effects of the misidentification. "he increased information sharing allowed by the Patriot Act amplified the consequences of the FBI's fingerprint misidentification in the Mayfield case." (Report at 18).

We also are concerned about the fact that the OIG Report reveals that the Deputy Attorney General prohibited the OIG from conducting a thorough investigation of the Mayfield matter by limiting the reach of the OIG's authority under the PATRIOT Act to review misconduct. This task was relegated to the Department's Office of Professional Responsibility (Report at 5), even though we think it is clear that we intended the OIG provisions of the PATRIOT Act to be fully utilized to combat misconduct Department-wide.
We would hope that we could conduct these hearings expeditiously upon our return, as many of the findings go directly to the issue of misuse of government power and the impact and construction of the PATRIOT Act.
Thank you for your consideration of this request, and we look forward to your response.
Sincerely,

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John Conyers, Jr., Robert C. Scott
Ranking Member, Ranking Member
Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security



Comment #58: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 3:08pm ET...

Comment #55: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 2:53pm ET...

Well, at least we now know if Reid is going to support Conyers or not. I guess out "minority leader" feels Bush should not be held accountable for his criminal constitutional abuses.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2006/jan/03/010310016.html

On other issues, Reid said:

He wouldn't support any move to impeach President Bush - who has been a target of harsh criticism from Reid. "I think that should be a last resort," Reid said, adding, "I'm certainly not interested in impeachment. I'm interested in good government."

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Pissed Off American:

After much discussion with my friends, it has beeen determined that both Harry Ried "AND" DNC Chairman Howard Dean BOTH need to go. They are the reason why Democrats, as you say, cannot get representation on thier issues and have been "quiet" or "lazy", while Bush and his Republican cronies continue to abuse all of their powers and continue to trample over our Constitutional and civil rights! Both of them are banes to the Democratic Party and is the reason why we they are not doing anything but letting Bush and his one-party facists gain more and more absolute power, until we becomne a tryannical and dictatorial police state.

Unless both Howard Dean and Harry Ried gets replaced by more competent people who can get shit done, then our Democratic Party will continue to fail us!

Yes, POA, I suggest you up yoru rhetoric against Harry Ried. While you are it, add Howard Dean to your list. This should make it more interesting and fun for you!



Comment #59: sanitysojourner said on 1/6/06 @ 3:20pm ET...

#57 Neerav: Thanks for the link.

And thanks for your tenacity, Rep. Conyers.

Just to emphasize the point: U.S. Senator Russ Feingold was the first, but by no means the last, to say that if the president is going to do as he wishes anyway, there is no need for the (un)patriot act.

One action would be to communicate to both of your senators & your representative to not support any renewals or extensions of the patriot act. Let it wither.

The president will continue to thumb his nose, but he will be even more exposed.



Comment #60: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 3:26pm ET...

"Yes, POA, I suggest you up you rhetoric against Harry Ried. While you are it, add Howard Dean to your list. This should make it more interesting and fun for you!"

There is NOTHING "fun" about any of this.



Comment #61: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 3:28pm ET...

Comment #60: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 3:26pm ET...

"Yes, POA, I suggest you up you rhetoric against Harry Ried. While you are it, add Howard Dean to your list. This should make it more interesting and fun for you!"

There is NOTHING "fun" about any of this.

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I know, but DNC Chairman Howard Dean is another person you should add to your list. Him and Reid are responsible for why our Democratic Party has become as it is.



Comment #62: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 3:31pm ET...

BTW Neerav, any respect for you I had dissappeared a number of posts ago. Please, take your own advice, and just avoid reading over my posts, your response is not appreciated, nor is it wanted. Just leave me the hell alone.



Comment #63: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 3:36pm ET...

Comment #62: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 3:31pm ET...

BTW Neerav, any respect for you I had dissappeared a number of posts ago. Please, take your own advice, and just avoid reading over my posts, your response is not appreciated, nor is it wanted. Just leave me the hell alone.

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Fair enough, nad a good suggestuion. I will never have any respect for you for your angry posts or your attacks on others. So as long as you post the way you do, any respect that I have or had for you is gone. So leave it at that, and yes, leave me the hell alone!



Comment #64: Bill_o_Carolina said on 1/6/06 @ 3:46pm ET...

I think somebody damn well better get angry or else business as usuall will continue. And that business is advancement towards a police state and destruction of the "just a GD piece of paper" constitution.
I support POA 100% when it comes to demanding strong opposition.



Comment #65: Dr Alan H Levinson said on 1/6/06 @ 3:47pm ET...

INTERESTING TIDBIT IF TRUE!!

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1146700,00.html



Comment #66: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 3:55pm ET...

Dr. Levinson:

Any Democrat who supports the Patriot Act and any extensions thereof are fools, and should be punished SEVERLY come November 2006!!!

Any Democrats who have and continue to whore for Bush and his one-party facists party will be punished, as they cannot escape from thier actions, and from the wrath of voters from who they were disenfranchised from!



Comment #67: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 4:04pm ET...

Well, do you think Harry has lost touch with the will of his constituency or not? And if your opinions, expressed in phone calls, emails, letters, etc., will merely be branded as the actions of "nuts", what hope do you have of turning anything around? Weeks ago, when I was imploring people to call Harry and demand representation, all of you told me to STFU, that Reid was just biding his time. Well, Reid just announced that he doesn't CARE if our President acts outside the law, and that he does not intend to support any efforts that demand accountability. Follow Reid's comments to their logical conclusions. If he does not support impeachment, than he does not support HONEST THOROUGH investigations, because such investigations would lead to an inevitable call for impeachment. Now, what chances do you think John Conyers' efforts have when YOUR "minority leader" is announcing publically that he does not support impeachment??? Now, imagine if you will, whether or not Reid would have made such a public comment if, over the course of the last few weeks, he would have been recieving thousands of phone calls, emails, and letters DEMANDING that he support Conyers efforts.

Well, the cats out of the bag now. The question is, what the hell are you people going to DO ABOUT IT, and whether or not you are going to continue to endorse Democratic leaders that are COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH with the will and the wishes of their constituency. You God damned better start SUPPORTING Conyers efforts with a bit more than apologies and false hope, or John is going to be left high and dry by his colleagues, and you are going to see '06 come and go with the neocons still busily looting and dismantling our democracy, and our so called "democratic leaders" mewling the same political BULLSHIT that landed us in this position in the first place.

From the Huffington blog.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-cobble/impeachment-rocks-the-hou_b_13366.html

Impeachment Rocks the House

I went to northern Virginia Rep. Jim Moran's Town Hall with Rep. John Murtha last night. It was a huge crowd--the overflow room overflowed, and they had to turn hundreds of people away!--and the crowd gave Rep. Murtha a very warm welcome. The most interesting thing that happened all night, however, was the spontaneous, loud, sustained applause that erupted from the crowd when one questioner said the word "impeachment".

It reminded me of a similar response from the crowd last July, in Oakland, California, when Rep. Barbara Lee sponsored a panel on the Downing Street Minutes, on which I was honored to be included. The same thing happened. The crowd wanted to end the war, and most of them were demanding investigations into the lies that took the nation to war.
Grassroots progressives want some answers, some investigations, some justice. People are not willing to accept that we have to put up with an America where the President and Vice-President can lie us into a war, torture, spy without a warrant, out CIA agents, aggressively act "above the law" on purpose, unilaterally abrogate treaties, insult and intimidate the rest of the world, and violate the principles of Nuremberg and Geneva. All without oversight or penalty.
Imho, this is beyond politics now. It's beyond polls, even though this Ipsos poll and this Zogby poll and this Rasmussen poll are favorable (and check out MyDD, where Chris Bowers is taking progressive polling one big step further).
This demand for accountability is deeply felt, going to the heart of what progressives care about--the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the U.S. as a reluctant warrior rather than an aggressor, being a "good neighbor" as well as a strong one, telling the truth as the basis for "consent of the governed", giving peace a chance, respecting and protecting the right to vote. If the Democratic leadership does not get this, it will miss its best chance to energize its voting base in next November's lower-turnout, off-year elections.

[Here and here are some good reports on the town hall (including some audio and pictures).
And there are 147 more town halls all over the nation this weekend, as we push "National Out of Iraq" events--check this site to find one near you.]



Comment #68: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 4:24pm ET...

House Republicans are planning to overthrow thier own majority leader, Tom Delay!!! Holy crap!!!

Republicans calling for elections to replace DeLay

Snipet:

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About two dozen Republicans have promised to sign a petition calling for elections to permanently replace Rep. Tom DeLay as majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, aides said on Friday.

"We have commitments for about 25 signatures. The letter calls for a leadership election for a permanent majority leader," said Matthew Specht, a spokesman for Rep. Jeff Flake (news, bio, voting record), a conservative Arizona Republican.

Fifty House Republican signatures are needed to call elections, which would occur after the House reconvenes on January 31.



Comment #69: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 4:36pm ET...

#32 Pissed Off American said, 'And I seriously question why someone feels, to post here, they need to EXPLAIN through their label, their party affiliation, OR their "patriotism".'

or their nationality?

If you're making fun of my handle, I chose it a long time ago for reasons that have nothing to do with this blog and it really isn't anything about which to concern yourself.

#37 POA said, "A great idea. I am going to just drop the idea of demanding representation from our so called leadership, shut down my cabinet shop, and migrate immediately to Washington so I can run against Reid!!!"

You'd have to go to Nevada.



Comment #70: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 4:47pm ET...

I can already see the sweat dripping from the heads of the Rethugs with Bush at 40% approval:

Results of AP-Ipsos Poll on Bush, Congress



Comment #71: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 4:52pm ET...

I predict that Harry Reid will, within the next two weeks, (probably sooner), publically compliment the Republicans for discarding Tom Delay, and tout it as a "new candor" from the right, or some such nonsense.



Comment #72: tahoebasha1 said on 1/6/06 @ 4:55pm ET...

Off Topic:

News Item of the Day: Bush visited the Chicago Economic Club today, and said, "In 2005, the American economy turned in a performance that is the envy of the industrialized world."

Is he on LSD????



Comment #73: Bill_o_Carolina said on 1/6/06 @ 4:57pm ET...

#70, I belive the repubs' got a little more relaxed due to the knowledge that Reid will not call for accountability. He's more worried about what Robertson's said than Bush violating the constitution and other laws of the land.
#71, Wouldn't surprise me a bit.



Comment #74: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 5:02pm ET...

Comment #73: Bill_o_Carolina said on 1/6/06 @ 4:57pm ET...

#70, I belive the repubs' got a little more relaxed due to the knowledge that Reid will not call for accountability. He's more worried about what Robertson's said than Bush violating the constitution and other laws of the land.
#71, Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

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That is why I, like POA, am very pissed off at Harry Reid. He is a Bush whore, and has betrayed both the Democratic party and ESPECIALLY the American people by becoming a member of the facist Republicans in Congress. He no longer works for Bush. He needs to be overthrown as the Minority Leader......NOW!!!

I am EXTREMELY angry at Harry Reid for supporting Bush, his cronies both in his Administration and in Congress.

F* you, Harry Reid, you Bush shill s*head!!!



Comment #75: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 5:04pm ET...

I actually mean that he no longer works for the American people, but for Emperor/Dictator Bush and his facist Republican Party.

Sorry for the confusion there.

Damn, I should do what POA is going and yell the f*** at Harry Reid!



Comment #76: Bill_o_Carolina said on 1/6/06 @ 5:04pm ET...

Read this on DU. Now this may have them sweating bullits, I hope anyway.

snip...

Disgraced Congressman 'Wore a Wire'

Washington's power players have always bragged about being well-wired, but for disgraced former congressman Duke Cunningham, "wired" wasn't just a figure of speech. In a week when legislators are focused on the question of who else might be brought down by ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s cooperation with prosecutors as he seeks lenient sentencing over his two federal guilty pleas this week, sources tell TIME that ex-Rep. Cunningham wore a wire to help investigators gather evidence against others just before copping his own plea.

Sources familiar with the situation say Cunningham, a California Republican who pleaded guilty Nov. 28 to taking $2.4 million in bribes — including a yacht, a Rolls Royce and a 19th Century Louis-Philippe commode — from a defense contractor, wore a wire at some point during the short interval between the moment he began cooperating with the feds and the announcement of his guilty plea on Nov. 28.

The identity of those with whom the San Diego congressman met while wearing the wire remains unclear, and is the source of furious — and nervous — speculation by congressional Republicans.



Comment #77: Patriot said on 1/6/06 @ 5:12pm ET...

#76 Bill - "sweating bullets"... I think now half the Repugs on the Hill are sweating something or other, between the Abramoff plea deal and Cunningham's wire and the other half are trying to figure out from whom to distance themselves.



Comment #78: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 5:13pm ET...

Once again.....

please leave me out of your schizophrenic ramblings, Neerav.



Comment #79: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 5:23pm ET...

I expect Bush's poll numbers to start dropping now. With the situation in Iraq deteriorating close to a civil war, and more evidence of this scandal over domestic wiretapping, along with a growing revolt and doubts against Samuel Alito, Bush's numbers should start to go down again, back to where they SHOULD be.

Remember, what goes up, MUST come down.



Comment #80: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 5:26pm ET...

#37 POA said, "A great idea. I am going to just drop the idea of demanding representation from our so called leadership, shut down my cabinet shop, and migrate immediately to Washington so I can run against Reid!!!"

"You'd have to go to Nevada."

Naaaa, like Harry, I want to be where the BIG MONEY is. AIPAC hangs out in Washington.

You DO of course realize that there has only been ONE POST pulled on Reid's blog to date, and that ONE POST was mine. Was it profane??? No. Was it an attack on another poster??? No.

What was it?

It was a list of the politicians that have received money from AIPAC, with specific amounts. Guess what? Harry Reid is in the top ten. Tell me, Patriot, what do Chertoff, Zell, Dov Zakheim, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cambone, Feith, Cheney, Novak, Miller, Hadley, Woodward, Kristol, Kissinger all have in common with Harry Reid?



Comment #81: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 5:26pm ET...

My mistake, POA. I'll be more careful, but then again, I should do what you do to both Howard Dean and Harry Ried, since they both are responsible for what our party has become.

Bill: I cannot wait to see what will happen to the Rethugs now, with the fact that many House Repugs are calling for Delay to be replaced. This should get interesting indeed.



Comment #82: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 5:28pm ET...

Is anyone here on Conyers Blog going to join the "Out of Iraq" rallies tommorow?



Comment #83: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/6/06 @ 6:14pm ET...

Here is one of the headlines from the Drudge Report, which shows that the Democrats may stil have some spines and balls to represent the American people by trying to halt the nomination of Samuel Alito.

Folks, let's hope the Democrats stop Alito's nomination to the United States Supreme Court in its tracks and save our country from further irreparable harm!!!

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"THE DRUDGE REPORT has learned from exclusive sources that Senate Democrats have put into place a plan that includes one last push to take down the nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito as he heads into his confirmation hearing next week.... MORE... Senate Democrats intend to zero in on Alito’s alleged membership to an organization, a witness will claim, that was sexist, racist and out-of-the-mainstream on a variety of issues... MORE..."



Comment #84: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 6:46pm ET...

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Comment #85: Ohiodem1 said on 1/6/06 @ 7:01pm ET...

Neerav #79 - When queried about an intelligence assessment during the 2004 campaign where the assessment of the situtation in Iraq was that the best case scenario was an uneasy state of equilibrium, and the worst case was Civil War, George W. Bush said of the intelligence analysis "They're just guessing". Well, I suppose they guessed right. One more example of the misuse of intellilgence by the Bush admin.

So the president misuses intelligence in a massive and misleading way, and he has no trust in science, but he is willing to use scientific assets to systematically deprive Americans of their right to privacy by unlawfully engaging an agency who is forbidden by law to spy domestically, and use these assets to massively intrude on the privacy of all Americans who use the telephone, pay bills, or uses the internet. It is really time for Bush to go.

How about this? The Bush admin espouses an anti-science Intelligent Design argument as a means to sneak religion into the classroom. That is, they pander to a political base that does not believe in Darwinism, but they subscripe to the theory of Social and Economic Darwinism, couching it it terms of the "Free Market", all the while pursuing policies of consolidation of industries which create monopolies and oligopolies, or the most egregious free market imperfections by policy! Where is the DOJ Anti-Trust division that willy-nilly allows massive consolidation of the telecommunications, banking, parmaceutical, oil, retailing, manufacturing and other businesses, all in anti-competetive, anti-job policies?

Industry consolidation always eliminates jobs and competetion. the Anti-Trust laws, some of which have been on the books for over a hundered years, have as primary objectives the prevention of anti-competetive conglomerations. Why does the Bush administration DOJ not enforce these laws?

Just another abuse of the American people, but I wanted to raise the issue.



Comment #86: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 7:07pm ET...

YES! BushCo may have taken themselves and their Rethuglican counterparts out of the game!

“WASHINGTON - In an ominous election-year sign for Republicans, Americans are leaning sharply toward giving Democrats control of Congress, an AP-Ipsos poll finds. Democrats are favored 49 percent to 36 percent."

Poll: Democrats favored to control Congress
Following Abramoff scandal, public uneasy with Republican party, AP finds



Comment #87: sanitysojourner said on 1/6/06 @ 7:07pm ET...

If you are interested in further ethics reform, check out this link:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=46837

excerpt from The Nation:

But what is to be done? Take a lesson from the good Senator from Wisconsin, Russ Feingold who, last July, launched a crackdown on government corruption.

In July, the tough-minded reformer, who with John McCain led the fight for passage of campaign finance reform, introduced the Lobbying and Ethics Reform Act in the Senate (Representative Martin Meehan (D, MA) has similar legislation pending in the House).

The bill's key provisions are designed to reduce the power of special interests by forcing lobbyists to file disclosure reports quarterly instead of twice a year, prohibiting lobbyists from taking trips with members of Congress and their staffs, and requiring former members of Congress and some senior executive branch officials to wait two years after leaving government service before working as a lobbyist. And, as Feingold told The Hill, the bill would prohibit "lobbyists from giving gifts to members" or staff and require "members and campaigns to reimburse the owners of corporate jets at the charter rate when they use those planes for their official or political travel."

Such a law--and even hardcore DC cynics may want to give it a better chance of passage after the Abramoff scandal winds its way through DC---would arrive just barely in the nick of time. The Center for Public Integrity published a must-read study last April showing that lobbyists have spent almost $13 billion since 1998 seeking to influence federal legislation and federal regulations. "Our report reveals that each year since 1998 the amount spent to influence federal lawmakers is double the amount of money spent to elect them," the Center's executive director, Roberta Baskin, pointed out.

We can help by pointing out to our legislators that we would like them to support this legislation.



Comment #88: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 7:09pm ET...

More good news!

“WASHINGTON - A memorandum from two congressional legal analysts concludes that the administration’s justification for the monitoring of certain domestic communications may not be as solid as President Bush and his top aides have argued.
."

Analysts: Bush spying rationale legally shaky
Memo questions use of presidential power in wiretapping without approval



Comment #89: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 7:12pm ET...

Yes, as Bush uses recess appointment to stack the election commission. Do you doubt there is a RESON he is doing that?



Comment #90: Nolip said on 1/6/06 @ 7:12pm ET...

…and some bad…

“WASHINGTON - In the 50 years that Grant Goodman has known and corresponded with a colleague in the Philippines he never had any reason to suspect that their friendship was anything but spectacularly ordinary.

But now he believes that the relationship has somehow sparked the interest of the Department of Homeland Security and led the agency to place him under surveillance.

Last month Goodman, an 81-year-old retired University of Kansas history professor, received a letter from his friend in the Philippines that had been opened and resealed with a strip of dark green tape bearing the words “by Border Protection” and carrying the official Homeland Security seal."

Homeland Security opening private mail
Retired professor confused, angered when letter from abroad is opened



Comment #91: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 7:23pm ET...

Oops....sorry, accidentally hit post....meant to say....

YES! BushCo may have taken themselves and their Rethuglican counterparts out of the game!

“WASHINGTON - In an ominous election-year sign for Republicans, Americans are leaning sharply toward giving Democrats control of Congress, an AP-Ipsos poll finds. Democrats are favored 49 percent to 36 percent."

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Yes, as Bush uses recess appointments to stack the election commission. Do you doubt there is a REASON he is doing that? These people are not LOSING their grip on power, they are STRENGTHENING it.



Comment #92: Rusty said on 1/6/06 @ 8:02pm ET...

POA,

Co to blejes? Ses posral v kine? Neoxiduj tu! Skoc do zdi, pitomec. Neser me!

Hi, Mary from Prague,

The RNC hasn't faxed me any talking points since you know who got caught red-handed doing you know what to Christianne Amanpour.
What are we supposed to say about that?

OhioDem #25 and Sanity #34,

Good posts, as usual.

Tahoe #72,

The Crawford Village Idiot's statements were garbled by a bad microphone. He didn't say, "In 2005, the American economy turned in a performance that is the envy of the industrialized world."

He said, "In 2005 years, the American economy will turn in a performance that will be the envy of the Pleistocene Era."



Comment #93: Rusty said on 1/6/06 @ 8:06pm ET...

Have you called Pat Roberts yet, POA?



Comment #94: Citizen J said on 1/6/06 @ 8:10pm ET...

Oh boy, this is GREAT!! LMAO

Hitting the Fan: Cunningham Wore a Wire

"If you thought Capitol Hill was nervous over the Abramoff scandal, there must be a lot of yellow pants now. Time is reporting that bribe-taker Randy "Duke" Cunnigham may be taking some of is colleagues down. How? He was wired."

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/6/152327/8142



Comment #95: Bill_o_Carolina said on 1/6/06 @ 8:24pm ET...

I said that back in #76, CJ. It was reported on DU also.

The crooks may have been expecting something like that but let's hope it paid off big.



Comment #96: point of order said on 1/6/06 @ 9:43pm ET...

Congressman Conyers, can you please provide a reprint of the letter you sent to the Clinton Administration regarding your concerns about the Echelon program?



Comment #97: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 10:17pm ET...

"Co to blejes? Ses posral v kine? Neoxiduj tu! Skoc do zdi, pitomec. Neser me!"

Are you threatening me, Rusty? If you think I CARE whether or not my opinion pisses you off you should guess again. And NO, I AM NOT KIDDING, and NO, I WILL NOT go away. And if you do not have the GUTS to call me an idiot in English, rather than in Czech, than you are living up to my lowest expectations of you.

What the hell is a matter with you? Grow up.



Comment #98: Pissed Off American said on 1/6/06 @ 11:17pm ET...

The Opposite of Good Is Apathy
By Cindy Sheehan
t r u t h o u t Perspective

Friday 06 January 2006

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead.
-- William Lloyd Garrison
The apathy of most of America is stunning and appalling to me. When I found this quote I was filled with wide-eyed wonder that there is one statue left in America complete with statue, or one grave or tomb still occupied.

On October 26th, as MoveOn.org was holding its candlelight vigils across the country to mourn the death of the 2000th American soldier in Iraq, I and two dozen others were being arrested in front of the White House protesting the carnage done in our name by the illegitimate residents therein.

Now, counting the 11 American soldiers who were pointlessly killed in George's unconscionable and brainless war of terror in the Middle East, the American "official" death toll is up to 2193: 200 more families ruined in less than three months!

My son Casey was in the first 1000 to be killed in Iraq. We reached that dismal mark by September 2004. MoveOn.org conducted candlelight vigils for that occasion. Then a little over a year later, MoveOn.org conducted candlelight vigils to commemorate the 2000th soldier. If we don't get off of our collective apathetic and complacent backsides to stop the barbaric killing in Iraq, when will the next candlelight vigil be? George Bush and the evil neocons are killing our precious soldiers at the rate of 2.78 per day. By my calculations, we should be lighting our candles again and singing "Kum bah ya" by October.

This article is not intended to be an indictment of MoveOn.org, which does some amazing work and who were big supporters of Camp Casey. But my point is this, America: the longer we allow the illegitimate pretender to the White House and his conniving and callous gang of co-conspirators to continue, the more our collective humanity is damaged. Apparently, candlelight vigils do very little to stop, or even slow down a little, the carnage committed by the war criminals in DC.

Then we have the unfortunate innocents of Iraq. I have heard reports of up to as many as 200 of them killed yesterday. So if 200 were reported, one has to really wonder what the true count was. Bill O'Reilly and George Bush define a terrorist as someone who "kills innocent men, women and children." Am I the only one who sees the irony and stunning hypocrisy in this statement?" Who do Bill and George think are being killed in Iraq? A well-trained and organized Army? Terrorists? We all know that is false. This is who is being killed in Iraq: living breathing human beings, identical to Americans or any other human beings on earth, who are just trying to go about their lives, trying to survive in a war-torn country that was no threat to America or our way of life.

"I would say 30,000 more or less have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis," said George on December 12, 2005. Even if one accepts this very low guess-timate by George, his policies have been responsible for ten times the 3000 deaths on September 11, 2001. By his own admission, he is ten times the terrorist that Osama ever was. If George says 30,000 ... who knows what the truthful total is. It fills me with sorrow and hurts my heart to even contemplate the number.

America: this is what you are allowing your government to do in your name:

Detain and torture prisoners without due process. Use chemical weapons on other members of humanity. Spy on Americans without a court order (I hope my conversations put them in a coma of boredom). Carpet bomb cities filled with human beings like yourselves. Destroy the infrastructure of other countries. Destroy the infrastructure of American cities. Cut taxes on the rich while pouring money and blood into the thirsty sands of the Middle East. Decimate our treasury. Rape the environment. Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

Hillary Clinton told me that the "wheels of government grind slowly." This is a tired cliché and it is unacceptable blather while the war machine is grinding the bones of our children. It is time for us wide-awake Americans to make our elected officials speed up the timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.

If I hear one more rendition of "We Shall Overcome" and then watch the vigilers or marchers go home and turn on their TVs and crack open a brewsky, content in the fact that they have done something for peace that day, I am going to scream! We can't overcome unless we take the proverbial bull by the horns and overcome!

Hold your vigils and marches in relevant places: such as warmongering local Congressional offices. So many Senators and Congresspeople come to mind. Or in front of a recruiting station. Or federal buildings. Or military bases. Then instead of going home and cracking open a beer, or uncorking a bottle of wine, sit down and say "we aren't leaving until you call for an immediate end to the occupation of Iraq." Put your butt on the line for humanity.

Change will not happen until we make it happen. We can't make change happen by wishing or praying that it will happen.

We actually have to do something.



Comment #99: point of order said on 1/6/06 @ 11:48pm ET...

How many "innocents' that have died have died at the hands of the "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" Ms. Sheehan



Comment #100: Rusty said on 1/7/06 @ 12:48am ET...

POA #97,

That was for the benefit of my friend in the Czech Republic you verbally abused several times. Here it is in English:

"Are you kidding me? What are you, vomiting? Jump into a wall, bonehead. Don't piss me off."

There are many issues between us, but me caring what you think about my statements of fact isn't one of them. You're confusing caring with refuting. Obviously, you haven't been confronted very often before and you don't like it. Bush is like that too. He throws fits and rants and raves whenever someone tells him something he doesn't want to hear.

If you want to see someone who is acting childish and immature, look in the mirror.

You haven't told me if you've called Pat Roberts yet.



Comment #101: Patriot said on 1/7/06 @ 8:56am ET...

#80 POA said, 'Tell me, Patriot, what do Chertoff, Zell, Dov Zakheim, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cambone, Feith, Cheney, Novak, Miller, Hadley, Woodward, Kristol, Kissinger all have in common with Harry Reid?'

Told ya, not gonna debate ya. Your "Harry Reid" posts are off topic and interest me not.



Comment #102: Nolip said on 1/7/06 @ 10:57am ET...

POA..your village called...their idiot is missing.



Comment #103: Pissed Off American said on 1/7/06 @ 11:29am ET...

Yesterday I started my comments on the prior thread with a post directed at Representative Conyers.(#5)

In return, I was rewarded with a personal attack by Rusty, and a number of his minions.

In response to those attacks I stated my reasons, as I have done so numerous times, for my positions. In return, I was the recipient of yet more attacks. Read the thread, don't just take my word for it.

In response to the post I put up where Harry Reid tells America he is not going to support Conyers, SILENCE from my detracters. In response to my post where I speak of AIPAC, and the many cross linked alliances Reid shares with the most voracious neocons, I recieve yet another insult. In the end I get some damned fool cussing at me in czech.

I invite you to read the thread. After you do, please note, it is beginning again on this thread. You folks, the ones that ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT CONYERS EFFORTS, need to ask yourself why these people are trying so hard to drown my voice, what their interest is in having people like me banned from this site, and who profits by them discouraging a forceful public voice demanding representation from our leaders.

I have recieved emails from others that have been banned here, and they speak of a pattern, and certain individuals that consistently strive to silence certain trains of thought or calls to action.

Again, read the prior thread, openly and honestly, and then ask yourself just what the hell is the agenda here from a few posters.

And, DTW, no, I wasn't banned from the Reid blog. I suspect you were the victim of a glitch. Try again. But really, who cares? Its a cesspool, and Reid has already made his position clear. In doing so, he signed a death knell for Conyers efforts, unfortunately. The only way to counteract his refusal to sign on would be to get figures like Clinton, Pelosi, Kerry, etc. to sign on. And we KNOW that ain't going to happen. They are too busy posturing and mewling, and this blog here has convinced me of the futility of trying to get people to DEMAND their representation. So, as Conyers pointed out on the last thread, it is more about establishing a record, a chronicle.

But hey, again, read the prior thread, and ask yourselves why some here are so vehement about shutting me up.



Comment #104: number6 said on 1/7/06 @ 11:37am ET...

Not sure if this had been mentiond before, I did a quick search and did not see it, but Jamie Rubin was not only a former Clinton official, but was also working on the KERRY CAMPAIGN. Can you say political spying children?



Comment #105: Neerav Trivedi said on 1/7/06 @ 11:42am ET...

Comment #104: number6 said on 1/7/06 @ 11:37am ET...

Not sure if this had been mentiond before, I did a quick search and did not see it, but Jamie Rubin was not only a former Clinton official, but was also working on the KERRY CAMPAIGN. Can you say political spying children?

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Welcome back, number6!!! Yes, I agree, which makes this case against President Bush over the illegal wire taps even more intersting. Let's see how this affects the whole issue, as I think the fact that Bush spied on the Kerry Campaign illegally makes the case for Impeachment of President Bush and his cronies event more founded.



Comment #106: point of order said on 1/7/06 @ 12:10pm ET...

let's not be so naive.
-----------------------------------

ECHELON: America's Secret Global Surveillance Network
Copyright 1999/2000 Patrick S. Poole

"But apart from directing their ears towards terrorists and rogue states, ECHELON is also being used for purposes well outside its original mission. The regular discovery of domestic surveillance targeted at American civilians for reasons of “unpopular” political affiliation or for no probable cause at all in violation of the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the Constitution – are consistently impeded by very elaborate and complex legal arguments and privilege claims by the intelligence agencies and the US government. The guardians and caretakers of our liberties, our duly elected political representatives, give scarce attention to these activities, let alone the abuses that occur under their watch. Among the activities that the ECHELON targets are:

Political spying: Since the close of World War II, the US intelligence agencies have developed a consistent record of trampling the rights and liberties of the American people. Even after the investigations into the domestic and political surveillance activities of the agencies that followed in the wake of the Watergate fiasco, the NSA continues to target the political activity of “unpopular” political groups and our duly elected representatives. One whistleblower charged in a 1988 Cleveland Plain Dealer interview that, while she was stationed at the Menwith Hill facility in the 1980s, she heard real-time intercepts of South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond. A former Maryland Congressman, Michael Barnes, claimed in a 1995 Baltimore Sun article that under the Reagan Administration his phone calls were regularly intercepted, which he discovered only after reporters had been passed transcripts of his conversations by the White House. One of the most shocking revelations came to light after several GCHQ officials became concerned about the targeting of peaceful political groups and told the London Observer in 1992 that the ECHELON dictionaries targeted Amnesty International, Greenpeace, and even Christian ministries."

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html



Comment #107: Pissed Off American said on 1/7/06 @ 12:29pm ET...

To embark on "debates" or cross talk with people like POO is a complete waste of time. To answer a post such as the above distraction, only the salient points of the immediate issue need to be offered, and they can be offered without debate or opinion;

The FISA laws ALLOWED a 72 hr wiretap PRIOR to the actual application for warrant. Therefore, Bush's initial claims that FISA warrants "take too long" to get was an obvious LIE, and as such, has not again been offered as an explanation, as they are hoping we will FORGET that Monkey Boy said that.

Secondly, the FISA courts are KNOWN for their rubberstamping of wiretap warrants. If the Bush Administration truly had a resonable cause to suspect that someone was corresponding with Al Qaeda agents, there would have been NO PROBLEM acquiring warrants from the FISA court. Therefore, the only logical conclusion to be arrived at is that the Bush Administration KNEW that they were acting ILLEGALLY in who was TARGETED by these taps. ERGO, the wiretaps had NOTHING TO DO with National Security.

Clinton is irrelevant. Echelon is irrelevant. Whether or not any prior executive administrations committed the same illegal acts is irrelevant. If you catch a man robbing a bank today, do you refuse to indict him because you didn't catch the man that robbed the bank yesterday?

Of course not.



Comment #108: point of order said on 1/7/06 @ 1:53pm ET...

President had legal authority to OK taps

By John Schmidt
Published December 21, 2005

President Bush's post- Sept. 11, 2001, authorization to the National Security Agency to carry out electronic surveillance into private phone calls and e-mails is consistent with court decisions and with the positions of the Justice Department under prior presidents.

The president authorized the NSA program in response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America. An identifiable group, Al Qaeda, was responsible and believed to be planning future attacks in the United States. Electronic surveillance of communications to or from those who might plausibly be members of or in contact with Al Qaeda was probably the only means of obtaining information about what its members were planning next. No one except the president and the few officials with access to the NSA program can know how valuable such surveillance has been in protecting the nation.

In the Supreme Court's 1972 Keith decision holding that the president does not have inherent authority to order wiretapping without warrants to combat domestic threats, the court said explicitly that it was not questioning the president's authority to take such action in response to threats from abroad.

Four federal courts of appeal subsequently faced the issue squarely and held that the president has inherent authority to authorize wiretapping for foreign intelligence purposes without judicial warrant.

In the most recent judicial statement on the issue, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, composed of three federal appellate court judges, said in 2002 that "All the ... courts to have decided the issue held that the president did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence ... We take for granted that the president does have that authority."

The passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978 did not alter the constitutional situation. That law created the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that can authorize surveillance directed at an "agent of a foreign power," which includes a foreign terrorist group. Thus, Congress put its weight behind the constitutionality of such surveillance in compliance with the law's procedures.

But as the 2002 Court of Review noted, if the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches, "FISA could not encroach on the president's constitutional power."

Every president since FISA's passage has asserted that he retained inherent power to go beyond the act's terms. Under President Clinton, deputy Atty. Gen. Jamie Gorelick testified that "the Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes."

FISA contains a provision making it illegal to "engage in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute." The term "electronic surveillance" is defined to exclude interception outside the U.S., as done by the NSA, unless there is interception of a communication "sent by or intended to be received by a particular, known United States person" (a U.S. citizen or permanent resident) and the communication is intercepted by "intentionally targeting that United States person." The cryptic descriptions of the NSA program leave unclear whether it involves targeting of identified U.S. citizens. If the surveillance is based upon other kinds of evidence, it would fall outside what a FISA court could authorize and also outside the act's prohibition on electronic surveillance.

The administration has offered the further defense that FISA's reference to surveillance "authorized by statute" is satisfied by congressional passage of the post-Sept. 11 resolution giving the president authority to "use all necessary and appropriate force" to prevent those responsible for Sept. 11 from carrying out further attacks. The administration argues that obtaining intelligence is a necessary and expected component of any military or other use of force to prevent enemy action.

But even if the NSA activity is "electronic surveillance" and the Sept. 11 resolution is not "statutory authorization" within the meaning of FISA, the act still cannot, in the words of the 2002 Court of Review decision, "encroach upon the president's constitutional power."

FISA does not anticipate a post-Sept. 11 situation. What was needed after Sept. 11, according to the president, was surveillance beyond what could be authorized under that kind of individualized case-by-case judgment. It is hard to imagine the Supreme Court second-guessing that presidential judgment.

Should we be afraid of this inherent presidential power? Of course. If surveillance is used only for the purpose of preventing another Sept. 11 type of attack or a similar threat, the harm of interfering with the privacy of people in this country is minimal and the benefit is immense. The danger is that surveillance will not be used solely for that narrow and extraordinary purpose.

But we cannot eliminate the need for extraordinary action in the kind of unforeseen circumstances presented by Sept.11. I do not believe the Constitution allows Congress to take away from the president the inherent authority to act in response to a foreign attack. That inherent power is reason to be careful about who we elect as president, but it is authority we have needed in the past and, in the light of history, could well need again.

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John Schmidt served under President Clinton from 1994 to 1997 as the associate attorney general of the United States. He is now a partner in the Chicago-based law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw.



Comment #109: koryannder said on 1/7/06 @ 2:58pm ET...

To be completely short and sweet about it; FISA is an absolute rubber-toothed pussycat, but Emperor Bu$h couldn't even be bothered with the boring necessity of asking the agency for permission. In other words, he is acting like the Dictator he wished he was. That's NOT America; it's Hitler's 3d Reich, or Stalin's USSR, or Franco's España, or Mussolini's Italia, or Caligula's Roma. He flatass did NOT have the authority to do what he did, and should definitely be seized by the short hairs over it. Article 2 was similarly abused by Nixon, and he resigned with his hand firmly caught in the cookie jar. Of course, the Constitution has been reduced to "Just a (deleted) piece of paper" by this "President," who swore, remember?, to defend it. isn't being foresworn an impeachable offense?



Comment #110: Pissed Off American said on 1/7/06 @ 3:32pm ET...

"John Schmidt served under President Clinton from 1994 to 1997 as the associate attorney general of the United States. He is now a partner in the Chicago-based law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw."

Poo......

Hah. We should thank POO for bringing Mayer Brown to our attention, as it has made for an interesting journey into the bowels of the internet, via google......

Major Kazakhstan Players (Including Bribes)

Dick Cheney, State Kazakhstan Oil Advisory Board, Halliburton was all over the Caspian, still is.

Amerada Hess (Baker & Botts) (Delta, Saudi), Board member Kean is Chairman of 9-11 Commission = conflict of interest.

BP Amoco (Baker & Botts), Amoco implicated in bribery scandal.

Phillips Petroleum, implicated in bribery scandal.

ChevronTexaco, Texaco implicated in bribery scandal; Baker & Botts represents ChevronTexaco and Mayer Brown represents Kazakhstan .

James H. Giffen indicted for bribery—2003. That nasty matter of bribes in Kazakhstan involving Mr. James H. Giffen did involve Mobil, as well as Texaco, Amoco and Phillips Petroleum.

ExxonMobil, Mobil implicated in bribery scandal.

Schlumberger Oil Services, Jamie Gorelick on board, 9-11 Commission member, conflict of interest. Schlumberger stayed pretty quiet about their Caspian Basin adventures until the 9-11 Commission was wrapping up and handing things over to Congress to slam shut more of our American freedoms instead of addressing 9-11 and who did it, and bring them to justice. (Continued growth in Russia and the Caspian, and strong performance across Asia and the Middle East , were both very encouraging. North America pricing moved up satisfactorily in the quarter.)

Mayer Brown, Rowe & Maw, represents Kazakhstan . Slightly conflicted out on 9-11 Commission.

Major Uzbekistan Players

Mayer Brown, Rowe & Maw, including joint office with ENRON. Directly represented ENRON, Enron executive has pled guilty to California criminal charges, El Paso too, charges against Dynegy trader pending

ENRON—everyone keep an eye out for Prisma Energy International, Cayman Islands, the post-bankruptcy ENRON and this cushy, profitable, colossal oil and gas deal in the Caspian Basin that had to have the pipeline across Afghanistan. Represented by Mayer Brown

ChevronTexaco, Represented by Baker & Botts, Mayer Brown representing Uzbekistan too, (and everybody thought Richard Ben Veniste was going to rip into Condoleezza Rice? Yeah, right!)

Dabhol—Enron, Dabhol, India fiasco that cost U.S. taxpayers over $1 billion in an electrical gas-fired generator that was not feasible without cheap Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan natural gas and not a pipeline one to get that gas to Dabhol to make the project feasible. Represented by Mayer Brown and slightly conflicted out on 9-11 Commission matters.

Halliburton, Schlumberger, Dick gets around! J. Gorelick too!

Uzbekistan Government, Represented by Mayer Brown. General Dostum is Uzbek, controls North part of Afghanistan .

Mayer, Brown, & Platt, Involves US and Israeli interests in Islamic nation and almost immediate surge in "terrorism" or "outrage"; Uzbekneftegaz; See book ﾓShurtan II,ﾔ Israeli Foreign Trade Risk Insurance Group (IFTRIC), Bank Hapaolim of Israel

Major Turkmenistan Players

ChevonTexaco (Baker Botts client), Condoleezza Rice "supertanker" named for her.

BP Amoco (Baker & Botts client); BP involved in California energy pricing scam, fined lightly.

UNOCAL, Delta Petroleum, their Saudi partners (same ones Taliban turned down)

Who is OPIC funding the Trans-Afghan pipeline for? What US oil company stepped forward?

FMC—O&G products. See James R. Thompson, 9-11 Commission conflict

Halliburton (Cheney), Schlumberger (Gorelick), heavily motivated to see Bridas, Taliban gone.

Mayer Brown & Platt, does work for Turkmen government. Note Turkmen government signed with Bridas, reneged and Mayer Brown represented Turkmenneft in lawsuit against Bridas Corporation all the way to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans and U.S. Supreme Court, case 03-1018, Turkmenneft v. Bridas S.A.P.I.C., et al, writ of certiorari denied March 22, 2004.

Major Pakistan Players

PennzEnergy and Ocean Energy, now Devon Energy. Robert Mosbacher, Jr. and other Bush Pioneers on this energy company board of directors.

Devon board, Duke Ligon, former Mayer Brown partner and Robert Mosbacher, Jr. son of GHWB Commerce Secretary Mosbacher.

Illinova (Dynegy sub); Dynegy involved in CA two-way trip accounting scam that fleeced California electrical customers—along with 20 other energy companies including Enron, El Paso, BP.

UNOCAL, Delta Petroleum, their Saudi partners (same ones Taliban turned down). Pakistan talks are matter of record to get the pipeline under Unocal / Delta control.

Mayer Brown, Represented Illinova on this deal, Pakistan natural gas fired electrical generator.

Baker & Botts, Pakistan Energy, Caspian players. Remington Holdings / Western Acquisition - This might be payoff. The WHOLE WORLD should find out who this is. Baker & Botts client - OPIC funded acquisition.

Arnold & Porter, represent Unocal and financial consortium on Pakistan electrical plant deal. 9-11 Commission never bothered to inquire into the Pakistan natural gas fired electrical plants and who those parties were talking to as to supply of natural gas across Afghanistan to those plants.

The pipeline is back in play and not a word of it reported by our major media outlets—or if reported buried the story instead of following the obvious leads and the conclusions those leads arrive at.

If you dig deep enough, you will find that the Bush administration's displeasure with "vote fraud" in the Ukraine, while gloating about their own vote fraud in the United States, is because Puppet President Bush and his Oil Kingdom Puppeteers were counting on having total control of the Ukraine so they could take oil out of the Caspian that way, too.

Dig even deeper and there is George Soros trying to affect the outcome of that election in the same direction as George Bush and Colin Powell are. Hmm, seems George is two-faced when it comes to money and oil.

"The Democratic party's National Democratic Institute, the Republican party's International Republican Institute, the US state department and USAid are the main agencies involved in these grassroots campaigns as well as the Freedom House NGO and billionaire George Soros's open society institute."

It is all about the oil, control and people lining their pockets with a lot of our money. That is why they lie to us and create the "mythology" they want you to believe.

February 2002: Afghanistan 's interim leader Hamid Karzai said he and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had agreed to revive a plan for a trans-Caspian gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan .

December 2002: Central Asia pipeline deal signed; An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan .

February 2003: OPIC agrees to fund the pipeline and Bush has guaranteed to protect it with U.S. troops (without telling the United States citizens). "23-02-03 Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan (TAP) have signed a protocol for trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline Project . . . However, some recent reports had indicated that the United States was willing to police the pipeline infrastructure through permanent stationing of its troops in the region. The US ExIm Bank, the Trade and Development Agency (TDA) and the Overseas Private Insurance Corporation (OPIC) had also shown readiness to finance such a project, if leading American energy giants come forward.

September 2003: Bridas prevails at 5th Circuit , U.S. Court of Appeals after years of being jerked around in Texas courts. $485+ million arbitration award upheld.

March 2004: U.S. Supreme Court denies Writ of Certiorari, upholding 5th Circuit. State Concern Turkmenneft v. Bridas, 03-1018

Have you heard about FBI Translator Sibel D. Edmonds and efforts to silence her?

The White House and Ashcroft have been working overtime to shut her up. Her translations did not expose 9-11 and use of planes. It exposed drug trafficking and money laundering, foreign names and American names—pre-9-11 funding.

Stop and think! What does "How they paid for 9-11" have to do with National Security, other than WHO DID IT?

They had to "get policy" to fit the "desired objective," i.e, $7.34 trillion oil + natural gas and controlled by major Bush Backers and select Liberal Left. How?

September 11, 2001

Please sign the Justicefor9-11.org petition if you too demand the truth and justice regarding September 11, 2001. There is much truth to be found and we have a National Capitol that is full of people that have an aversion to the truth. It is time that we as American Citizens get to the bottom of what they fear so much and why they fear the truth.

It is time for all Americans to wake up.

Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock , AR and is the author of "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out." He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and communications UAV systems. You can email him here.

Part 1: The 9-11 Commission
Part 3: 9-11 served a multitude of purposes
Part 4: More reasons to not investigate 9-11
Part 5: Exploding the myth of the Bushes as an all-American family



Comment #111: Rusty said on 1/23/06 @ 10:51pm ET...

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