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Comment #1: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:19pm ET...
Bush ignores the PDB of August 6, '01 because he really doesn't care if Bin Laden uses blimps to destroy the Twin Towers, it all plays out perfectly in George Bush's plan to unseat Hussein by giving him the lynch pin (If you have gout, blame it on 9-11 or if you get bird flu...right again...9-11). We know the reasons why we just don't know why Congress continues to drag its feet and further delay efforts to impeach the Presidential imposter George Bush. The tragedy here is not only that Bush did what he did, but that he continues to get away with it because his cronies in Congress keep looking the other way for if they unseat George, they will reveal the dark underbelly of the Rethuglican machinery. We're starting to see the tip of the iceberg with Delay and Libby, but there's still Rove and Cheney and the Bush that needs serious trimming.
Comment #2: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:25pm ET...
The electronic shell game that kept Bush in office is finally coming unglued.
“The BRAD BLOG can now report that a Securities Fraud Class Action suit has been filed against Diebold, Inc. (stock symbol: DBD) naming eight top executive officers in the company as co-defendants. The suit has been filed by plaintiff Janice Konkol, alleging securities fraud against the North Canton, Ohio-based manufacturer of Voting Systems and ATM machines on behalf of investors who owned shares of Diebold stock and lost money due to an alleged fraudulent scheme by the company and its executives to deceive shareholders during the "class period" of October 22, 2003 through September 21, 2005.”
EXCLUSIVE: SECURITIES FRAUD LITIGATION FILED AGAINST DIEBOLD, INC!
Comment #3: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:29pm ET...
One thing is for sure...you don't get to be where Karl Rove is in government (that's it Karl, press those lips together and plant another one where George keeps his wallet) by being Mother Theresa...
“A few weeks after he took over the investigation into the leak of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson in early 2004, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald had already become suspicious that Karl Rove and Vice President Cheney’s then-chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby were hindering his investigation.”
Fitzgerald was long suspicious Rove had hidden evidence; Not swayed by last minute testimony, lawyers say
Comment #4: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:32pm ET...
Who was it who said that all the foot dragging by the Rethuglicans provides the Bush boys plenty of time to destroy the evidence...?
"Whether or not Fitzgerald knew in late January or early February 2004 about the existence of the email Rove sent to Hadley remains unknown. The email did not show up during a search ordered by then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales in 2003. Gonzales enjoined all White House staff to turn over any communication about Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vocal critic of the Iraq war who accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar Iraq intelligence. Gonzales’ request came 12 hours after senior White House officials had been told of the pending investigation."
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_seen_to_press_for_Rove_1213.html
Comment #5: Reed31463 said on 12/13/05 @ 9:33pm ET...
The French knew all along that it was just BS. The confidence that they placed in Dgse in the face of foreign pressure, shows just how confident they were in the assessment.
Possessed uranium before in 1999? Now this is alarming info. Seems no one else knew about that.
Comment #6: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:38pm ET...
For Luskin to testify that Karl Rove has a bad memory is like trying to get people to believe that George Bush takes responsibility for his own stupidity...
" Luskin has said that Rove did not intentionally withhold information from Fitzgerald or the grand jury about his conversation with Cooper. Rather, he says Rove had simply forgotten about it, and Luskin’s meeting with Novak had jogged his memory."
Comment #7: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 9:57pm ET...
The treasury's been gutted...
The Iraq conflict\mess rages on..
Congress continues to ignore the plight of Americans everywhere...
which is the modern version of "government by the people and for the people"...that is "by the special interests and for the special interests and America\Americans be damned"...
"April 13, 2003
CONGRESS APPROVES WAR FUNDING BILL
DAN ROBINSON
CAPITOL HILL
Congress passed a wartime spending bill of nearly $80 billion Saturday. The package combats terrorism, shores up defenses at home and provides new aid to airlines. President Bush is expected to sign it into law quickly.
Despite appeals by President Bush against loading the legislation with un-related spending, House and Senate lawmakers did just that.
The bill would provide about 62 billion dollars to the Pentagon to pay initial costs of the war in Iraq."
http://www.iraqcrisisbulletin.com/archives/041303/html/congress_approves_war_funding_.html
"War spending may hit half-trillion mark
Pentagon is in early stages of drafting wartime request for $100b more for Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_go_co/iraq_war_costs
Comment #8: Nolip said on 12/13/05 @ 10:11pm ET...
Somebody wake me when it hits ZERO!
“President Bush’s job approval rating languishes under 40%, despite an upturn in the economy and a public relations onslaught defending the role of the U.S. military in rebuilding Iraq, a new telephone poll by Zogby International shows.”
Released: December 13, 2005
Bush Job Approval at 38%
After edging above 40%, it fades again
Comment #9: Rusty said on 12/14/05 @ 1:03am ET...
Let's send Woodward over to Paris to interview Chouet. He'll get to the bottom of this lickity split.
Geez . . . I have to think of everything around here . . .
Comment #10: scotty d said on 12/14/05 @ 6:49am ET...
isn't there enough evidence to prove that we went war under false pretenses yet? how many more lies do we have to put up with from this administration? how does bill clinton go through impeachment for oral sex and we can't get the current governmnet to look at any of the outright lies, cover-ups, murder, fraud,ect...of the bush administration?
it boggles the mind..........
Comment #11: Citizen J said on 12/14/05 @ 11:02am ET...
Yup, that's right scotty d- one would THINK, wouldn't one? Obviously the adventures of the First Penis were MUCH more important than examining WHY we're spending upwards of $500,000,000,000 in the illegal, immoral occupation of a sovereign country that never attacked us. But, we don't have enough money to rebuild one of our oldest cities and help our fellow displaced citizens rebuild their lives.
Welcome to the wonderful, wacky days of "One Party Rule" where the Rethugs can do any damn thing they like, and apparently NOBODY, especially us, the Great Unwashed, can do one single thing about it!
Comment #12: Bill_o_Carolina said on 12/14/05 @ 11:04am ET...
a little levity...
http://www.frontsteps.com/movies/everybody_hates_saddam/
http://www.thefrown.com/frowners/becomerepublican.swf
Comment #13: Genghis Khan said on 12/14/05 @ 12:56pm ET...
Scotty - the answer to your question is simple: Clinton had a hostile Congress and Bush does not. In fact, most of the ranking Republicans owe their jobs to the same corruption that allows BushCo to ruin this country. They have their own interests invested in not investigating the Bush administration.
Wait until after November, 2006.
Comment #14: Genghis Khan said on 12/14/05 @ 12:57pm ET...
Reed: Iraq had many tons of yellowcake since even before the first Gulf War. However, it was all under IAEA seal and was accounted for according to UN mandate.
Comment #15: Nolip said on 12/14/05 @ 2:12pm ET...
Comment #11
Clinton's BJ - $42 million and change...plus a dry cleaning bill
Bush's War in Iraq - $1 Trillion and counting
If these men were movie producers you can bet the second one would be off the lot faster than you can say Fitzgerald. Besides, the Bush production, while involving a cast of thousands (as opposed to the Clinton "love story") all the extras died in the scenes that Bush cast for them. The immoral of the story is this: somebody in the government accounting office isn't keeping close tabs on the main economic artery that's bleeding buckets...but then of course it's not the Rethuglicans money that Bush is pi**ing away...its ours...so why should he care.
Comment #16: Nolip said on 12/14/05 @ 2:20pm ET...
Comment #15
General Accounting just called...seems I'm off by a 1/2 Trillion...the war is ONLY up to a 1/2 Trillion dollar expense...which reminds me...does anybody know the link to the quote from Donny Rumsfeld or some Pentagoon Panderer who sold Congress on the idea that the most that a War in Iraq would cost (in 2002 dollars) was about 20 Billion...chump change when you consider how Bush has been able to wipe out the National Treasury while increasing the Federal Deficit and bludgeoning any efforts at revenue generation by giving it all away to his rich friends in tax cuts...there's a method to his madness...the madness of King George.
Comment #17: Nolip said on 12/14/05 @ 2:31pm ET...
U.S. Trade Deficit Hits New Record of $68.9 Billion
http://www.nytimes.com/
For some strange reason Congress doesn't seem to get it...this is pretty much like the wife who isn't monitoring the checking account while her husband is out spending the family into bankruptcy because he really needs to be medicated for his issues but is spending the family fortune because nobody is any the wiser that he's looney tunes because, at least in front of folks, he only talks, not acts, like he's got a wire loose somewhere.
Comment #18: Nolip said on 12/14/05 @ 2:39pm ET...
Bush accepts responsibility for decision to go to war based on faulty intelligence
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002683398_webbush14.html
When Bush not only accepts responsibility for selling Congress a war on ginned up intel but also for manufacturing that ginned up intel, can impeachment be far behind Congressman Conyers?
Comment #19: The Forest said on 12/14/05 @ 2:54pm ET...
Am listening to Rep. Regula of OH on C-Span right now, as he re-introduces the Labor, Health, Education et al Spending Bill, by telling Democrats they ought to vote for this REPUBLICAN-negotiated bill. Why? Because if the Democrats don't come along like good little lambs, a Continuing Resolution will be necessary, and oh my, what a dreadful situation that would be... Truly their constituents would be pained to discover what that would mean, claims the REPUBLICAN...
Wow, you Democrats in the House must have some kind of victom syndrome, to put up with this crap.
The Republicans CONTROL THE HOUSE, mercilessly. So WHY GIVE THEM A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC VOTE, if they CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO ALLOW A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC MEMBER TO OFFER INPUT to the legislation? If the bill is so wonderful, the majority Republicans will pass it. Fait accompli. No need for Democrats to GROVEL at their feet for a little reflected "glory."
Far better to stand on legislative principle, and cooperate with your votes ONLY when cooperation is offered in the actual details of writing and negotiating the legislation, where it matters. Instead of just unilaterally handing over your votes, when push comes to shove on the floor for passage of something you were permitted no input on...
On TOP of which, Rep. Obey is now pointing out, this bill shortchanges the country, to boot. Note, however, Democrats, that your principled stand to reject this bill the first time, along with the help of a handful of Republicans, did manage ONE improvement: apparently all earmarks were removed. One baby step at a time. I wonder how much better it might get, if it goes down a second time? After all, that seems to be your ONLY leverage in the rigged House process these days to try to affect all this only-Republicans-need-apply-to-author legislation.
It will take courage to make that happen, though. Judging from the easy passage of the anathema-to-any-Patriot Bill just now, that's a trait sorely lacking in the U.S. House of Representatives. Oh how I wish Members of Congress would be the first guinea pig targets of those National Security letters so that they could taste their own bitter medicine. [Amazingly, there seems to be significantly more PASSION being expressed about the subsequent spending bill, by speakers, than there was about the attack on our liberties by those who addressed the previous bill. Sad.] Sen. Conyers, I just hope the 175 or so No votes make enough difference to impact the process in the Senate that Russ Feingold and Harry Reid have vowed to courageously lead.
Comment #20: Ron said on 12/14/05 @ 3:05pm ET...
#18: Nolip
Bush must be held accountable for his actions.
Alone admitting that the facts were wrong,does not justify going to war anyway! He is,and was using known faulty Intel,to justify his position. He knew he was wrong,but did it anyway, How responsible!
I looked at the Seattle times article,There was a lot of reference to the upcoming elections in Iraq.
Just a thought , I wonder if they are using the same voting machines in Iraq that we use here!
Think about it,This means that the results are already in the bag!
Looks like Democracy won!
Now ,we can bring the troops home!
Comment #21: The Forest said on 12/14/05 @ 3:25pm ET...
That's "Rep." Conyers (sorry), and of course, "victim" not victom..
What I wish I was clearer on, is just how much input Democrats get AT ALL behind the scenes on writing and editing legislation in today's Republican-run House. That could be made much plainer in floor speeches, and should be emphasized at every turn, if it is in fact as little input as various dropped hints about it seem to indicate.
P.S. Blackboxvoting.org and Leon County, FL Elections Supervisor Ion Sancho have proven, by a successful hack, the existence of yet another gaping internal security hole in Diebold Optical Scan voting equipment, with the help of expert Harri Hursti and others. This latest test occurred yesterday, and apparently will result in the removal of all Diebold machines from use in Leon County. Please help get the word out about this groundbreaking test of a Diebold vote-counting product.
Comment #22: Pissed Off American said on 12/14/05 @ 10:31pm ET...
"The French knew all along that it was just BS. The confidence that they placed in Dgse in the face of foreign pressure, shows just how confident they were in the assessment.
Possessed uranium before in 1999? Now this is alarming info. Seems no one else knew about that."
Comment #5: Reed31463
Look Reed, I suggest you do a little homework. There was TONS of yellow cake in Iraq, stored at Tuwaitha and twelve other sites. It was in sealed containers, (drums), and was inventoried, monitored, and secured by the IAEA under the auspices of the UN. However, Monkey Boy's zookeepers failed to protect Tuwaitha after the invasion, and Tuwaitha and probably the twelve other sites were LOOTED, AS OUR SOLDIERS WATCHED. Common Iraqi citizens, whose infrastructure had been destroyed, looted the drums and dumped the yellow cake out, TO STORE WATER IN, TO BATHE, CLEAN AND COOK WITH. They were unaware of the danger posed by the material. The f**king Monkey Boy has allowed the IAEA in for a short chaperoned cursory examination of Tuwaitha, but has IGNORED the IAEA's requests to examinine the twelve other sites to determine exactly what is missing and how much is missing. Soooo, these God damned idiots actually CAUSED the material to dissappear into who knows whose hands, the very event the lying bastards told us they were invading to PREVENT happening. Also, where do you think the CONVENTIONAL explosives came from that are killing our soldiers as we speak? Yep, LOOTED facilities such as Tuwaitha.
And why doesn't the average American know this stuff??? Well, because the God damned COWARDS that CLAIM TO BE representing our interests, and claim to be the "democratic party leadership" lost their BALLS in Ohio in 2004. And those that ARE experiencing intermittent hormonal urges to show some testosterone can't get past the ineffective mewling letter writing stage.
Comment #23: DTW 06 said on 12/15/05 @ 12:07am ET...
Just what does, "I accept responsibility" mean anymore. From this president it sounds like pure hollow rhetoric. This is consistent with the blatant mis-use of the english language by Bush and his Orwelian crew from the beginning.
By the way, three MI republican representatives have done the right (correct) thing. "Reps. Joe Knollenberg and Candice Miller plan to return at least $10,000 in contributions connected to their former Republican House colleague, Randy "Duke" Cunningham ... Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Holland donated $3,000 in contributions. 'I am shocked and greatly disappointed by the dealings of my former colleague. Because of these actions, a serious question of ethical responsibility has been brought to light,' said Knollenberg, of Oakland County's Bloomfield Township."
For some it is business as usual, "Two House Republicans from Michigan who received similar contributions — Reps. Mike Rogers of Brighton and Thaddeus McCotter of Livonia — said they had no plans to return the money or donate it to charity." Tony Trupiano’s Blog Isn't it grand to have such integrity in our own back yard?
QuestionItNow - Voices
Comment #24: Reed31463 said on 12/15/05 @ 1:04am ET...
Yep. I was ignorant of the fact that they had 400 tons of yellow cake. I had heard that there was a small amount of plutonium that was confiscated, which had come from reprocessing of Uranium rods at Al Tuwaitha. I was quite sure that the reactor at Al Tuwaitha was destroyed in 1990 or 1991 as part of the air campaign. Found the answers here: http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/iaea/iraqindex.html
As for not securing the sites, we need to look deeper. You may remember these oldies, but goodies.
Page 1: http://home.comcast.net/~jdlech/Images/Memo_1feb01_1.gif
Page 2: http://home.comcast.net/~jdlech/Images/Memo_1feb01_2.gif
Tab C indicates working inter-agency plans for a post-Saddam Iraq. These memos fit a pattern and self-evidently, corroborate each other. Taken as a whole they fit a larger picture and further backs-up this administrations intent to never leave this region; EVER. The so-called bungled post-war shaping of Iraq is, in fact, not bungled. This was the exact plan. This provided a justification for our continuing presence in Iraq.
Early on, both GEN Zinni and GEN Franks, said original OPLANS for Iraq called for, at minimum, 250,000 troops. Other contingent OPLANS called for even more troops. Rumsfeld told them, point blank, find a way with 180,000.
Quoting CBS news:
"Zinni says Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time - with the wrong strategy. And he was saying it before the U.S. invasion. In the months leading up to the war, while still Middle East envoy, Zinni carried the message to Congress: “This is, in my view, the worst time to take this on. And I don’t feel it needs to be done now.”
But he wasn’t the only former military leader with doubts about the invasion of Iraq. Former General and National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, former Centcom Commander Norman Schwarzkopf, former NATO Commander Wesley Clark, and former Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki all voiced their reservations."
But Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld thought the job could be done with fewer troops and high-tech weapons.
How many troops did Zinni’s plan call for? “We were much in line with Gen. Shinseki's view,” says Zinni. “We were talking about, you know, 300,000, in that neighborhood.”
What difference would it have made if 300,000 troops had been sent in, instead of 180,000?
“I think it's critical in the aftermath, if you're gonna go to resolve a conflict through the use of force, and then to rebuild the country,” says Zinni.
Surely looking at the evidence, they, the WHIG, could not have been so incompetent to think that 180,000 troops was enough to accomplish a successful invasion of Iraq.
This demonstrates to me that the "bungled" post-war plan is actually what was planned for over two years. Henceforth, they knowingly and willfully executed a flawed MILITARY plan and purposely sent in troops into harms way with the knowledge that there would be these kinds of casualties and an extended occupation.
Furthermore, this war is wearing out and destroying the Army and all of its TO&E inventory.
Conveniently, our new future Army is on the way. First unit due on line in 2008; an election year. After all, Rice did say it was a generational commitment.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/fcs.htm
Comment #25: Nolip said on 12/15/05 @ 8:29am ET...
We've entered the looking glass having followed the White Rabbit into the hollow tree and found Bush at the bottom. Really, in my opinion, what we have running the government is merely the mob in Rethuglican clothing. Robbery (the U.S. Treasury continues to hemorrhage), graft (Halliburton), murder (2100 US soldiers and counting not to mention those poor Iraqui citizens caught in the crossfire), etc. all under the watchful eye of a group of criminals who call themselves the Republican controlled Congress. Maybe in '06 we can get out of the looking glass and get back to terra firma. Meanwhile the Mad Hatter (Bush) and the March Hare (Cheney) covort with the Cheshire Cat (Rove) and we're expected to believe that this is all OK because they say so. Yeh, right!
Comment #26: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 10:42am ET...
Robbery (the U.S. Treasury continues to hemorrhage), graft (Halliburton), murder (2100 US soldiers and counting not to mention those poor Iraqui citizens caught in the crossfire), etc. all under the watchful eye of a group of criminals who call themselves the Republican controlled Congress. Maybe in '06 we can get out of the looking glass and get back to terra firma. Meanwhile the Mad Hatter (Bush) and the March Hare (Cheney) covort with the Cheshire Cat (Rove) and we're expected to believe that this is all OK because they say so. Yeh, right!
Comment #25: Nolip
You are forgetting to mention the "watchful eyes" of the God damned cowards that are supposed to comprise the "opposition party". This partisan bullshit has got to STOP. The asshole democratic "leaders" are just as culpable in this mess as the faux conservatives are. The only opposition we see is whispered back door tsk tsks that are ALLOWED to be allocated to the back pages of the nation's compliant rags. People like Conyers need to stop writing these mewling letters, get together in groups, PUBLICALLY, and start raising a God damned furor, LOUDLY. These cowardly sons of bitches are selling us out to the Monkey Boy and the Dick with their politics as usual inaction and mewling subservience.
Comment #27: point of order said on 12/15/05 @ 10:52am ET...
WOW,doesn't anyone wonder how many times POA is going to be allowed to indirectly refer to Rep Conyers as an "ineffective mewling letter writer" before he is responded to by the administrator of Representative Conyers blog. Is the fact that no one here calls him on this because you are afraid of him or because you agree with him? Why was stoufi banned from this site? For being insulting and hateful, wasn't it?
Comment #28: Ron said on 12/15/05 @ 11:38am ET...
Point of Disenfranchisement
Seems like you don't like the truth per se.
Can't you tell the difference between constructive criticism ,and what yourself and Stuffit 1 spew.?
POA says what he knows is right,therefor he is safe here.
Maybe you should grow some balls, and start fighting for your country and quit trying to be a contra .
Or aren't you an American?
Anyone who stands up for the blatant, lying, Bush machine , has a very sick personality.
Do you belong to that group?
Seems so!
I am sure that Rep. Conyers has a very thick skin,and can take a whole lot more, than what goes on, on this blog!
Comment #29: point of order said on 12/15/05 @ 11:48am ET...
Response to Comment #28
I realize that you find my very presense on this blog to be an insult to yourself and others, but that aside, I don't think I have ever offered any critisism construtive or otherwise that was not given with the utmost respect. Sorry, call me loony , but I don't find referring to others as Hitler's, facist's, satans or "whimpering mewling cowards" to be, by any stretch of the imagination, "constructive critisism"
Comment #30: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 11:49am ET...
"WOW,doesn't anyone wonder how many times POA is going to be allowed to indirectly refer to Rep Conyers as an "ineffective mewling letter writer" before he is responded to by the administrator of Representative Conyers blog. Is the fact that no one here calls him on this because you are afraid of him or because you agree with him? Why was stoufi banned from this site? For being insulting and hateful, wasn't it?"
Comment #27: point of order
Stouffi was banned??? Oh damn, you poor thing. Have you asked staff for a replacement yet?
Comment #31: Ron said on 12/15/05 @ 12:06pm ET...
#29: point of order
OK I give up ,Your Looney !
Comment #32: koryannder said on 12/15/05 @ 1:01pm ET...
Oboy. Rep. Conyers is one of the very few Congresspeople who gives a damn about ordinary Americans. I would scarcely call his letters either "mewling" or "ineffective;" indeed, I believe that the current evidence of some of the democratic congresscritters beginning to develop a spine and stop acting like jellyfish is directly due to Rep. Conyers communication with all and sundry. Like any organic growth, however, it is going to take some time for the sitting democrats to stand up. Meanwhile, the ONLY reason that I can see that Bu$h has not already been impeached is simple. In the old New York Yankees, you didn't walk Ruth to get at DiMaggio! If we did, by some miracle, impeach - and remove - the puppet on the throne, lo and behold, Cheney would become President in name as well as in fact, and we'd REALLY be in trouble! I think Bu$h may have a decent impulse from time to time, (when he's not drinking or snorting, anyway), while Cheney, so far as I know, NEVER does! But - if we got rid of Cheney, we'd have Dennis (Gawdelpus!) Hastert, who proudly proclaims that Democrats can have no input into legislation; how do you think he'd handle the Presidensity? Or. if we got rid of Cheney first, as was done with Agnew, who would Bu$h put in as veep? A Dollar to a plugged nickel it'd be Codiliar Rice! Then try and get Bu$h out of there! The Southrons would have a hemmorrhage before they let a black woman be President, for God's sake! (Diebold and ES&S may "Elect" her in 2008, but that's another matter.) Anyhow, don't accuse Rep. Conyers of being ineffective; he's making all the difference he can, given the damn' crooked power structure.
Comment #33: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 1:27pm ET...
"Oboy. Rep. Conyers is one of the very few Congresspeople who gives a damn about ordinary Americans."
I agree, apparently he does "give a damn".
"I would scarcely call his letters either "mewling" or "ineffective;""
Really? Well, the fact that the White House IGNORES THEM doesn't exactly render them "effective", does it? Tell ya what, you go out on the street and talk to the average American. Ask them exactly what letters Conyers has written, and what the White House's response was, then get back to us, ok?
"indeed, I believe that the current evidence of some of the democratic congresscritters beginning to develop a spine and stop acting like jellyfish is directly due to Rep. Conyers communication with all and sundry."
What God damned spine? You see any of these cowards screaming, PUBLICALLY for Roberts to produce Phase Two??? Its only a MONTH LATE, right, after these bastards did their little photo-op of shutting down the Senate. Wheres the follow up??? They got their press, now they're back to hiding under their desks. Wheres the photos of Abu Ghraib, that a United States Court ORDERED be released? You see these mewling synchopants demanding they be released?? What the hell happened to the missing two thousand pages of the Taguba report? You see these asses trying to ENFORCE the promises of Monkey Boy and his cohorts?
"Meanwhile, the ONLY reason that I can see that Bu$h has not already been impeached is simple. In the old New York Yankees, you didn't walk Ruth to get at DiMaggio! If we did, by some miracle, impeach - and remove - the puppet on the throne, lo and behold, Cheney would become President in name as well as in fact, and we'd REALLY be in trouble!"
Thats such an ignorant comment I won't even dignify it with a response except to say that you can't really believe that the only reason Bush hasn't been impeached is because the Dick is VP? Good lord, think before you speak, will ya?
"Anyhow, don't accuse Rep. Conyers of being ineffective; he's making all the difference he can, given the damn' crooked power structure."
BULLSHIT. When I see people like Conyers, EVERDAY, on the front pages of our newspapers DEMANDING accountability from these bastards, loudly, voraciously, and publically, THEN maybe I will concede to the effectiveness of their efforts. But until then, they are just background noise against the growing din of the collapse of our democracy.
Comment #34: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 2:15pm ET...
Sorry POO, but I'm kind of in a POA mood myself.
Comment #35: The Forest said on 12/15/05 @ 2:35pm ET...
With regard to Pissed Off American's concerns about cutting through the spin to reach the average American, and EFFECTIVELY countering the thugs in control of Congress and the Executive Branch:
There is a behind-the-scenes contest for Vice-Chair of the Democratic Caucus in the House now under way, which will be a very important decision, at this stage of the game, for the future direction of the alleged "opposition." I don't know the participants well enough to know who has the guts in the race, and who doesn't. Jan Schakowsky of IL, Joe Crowley of NY, and John Larson of CT are the three contestants. [To replace Bob Menendez of NJ, just elevated to the Senate.] Senators are weighing in, apparently based solely on regional loyalties. But the bottom line, Democrats: YOU NEED A FIGHTER in the Caucus, who WILL OPPOSE the likes of Steny Hoyer, Jim Marshall, Earl Pomeroy, Ellen Tauscher, Rahm Emanuel, and other wanna-be Republicans who crave the pandering attention of corporate sweet-talkers, and Republican validation, above all else.
LISTEN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, before you cast your votes for a new Vice-Chair, Representatives. If NONE of these candidates want to LEAD by example, find someone else who DOES. This is no longer a joke - this is vital. Because if you cannot take a stand in your own Caucus, Democrats, you obviously do not plan, and cannot hope, to do so for the sake of America.
And that would truly put the lie to your claims of being in opposition, and being an alternative, to the political party now calling all the shots in D.C.
And with regard to the war-like occupation of Iraq, on which you seem unable to voice any coherent, united opposition:
I realized that when it comes down to it, none of us can predict the future. Therefore, it is incumbent upon Congress to deal with the FACTS at hand:
OUR U.S. troops in Iraq WILL continue to be killed, as the days go by. FACT.
We DO NOT KNOW whether or not Iraqi civilians will be hurt or helped by the removal of U.S. troops from Iraq, which opinion polls say both Iraqis and Americans sincerely desire. Furthermore, IF the U.S. Congress is so concerned about Iraqi civilians, Members should have properly debated and considered the possible ramifications and unintended consequences of this military invasion of a sovereign country BEFORE THEY AUTHORIZED IT. NOW is not the time for "planning" how to occupy Iraq.
So when considering your oath of office, Members of Congress, be sure to weigh the GUARANTEED further loss of life and limb of members of our American Armed Forces in Iraq, against an UNKNOWN FUTURE for Iraqi civilians, which might actually be ENHANCED by the departure of our forces. If you do so, I think that the logic of IMMEDIATELY planning for the withdrawal and redeployment of the U.S. troop presence from Iraq becomes inescapable. Does it not??
Comment #36: Dr Alan H Levinson said on 12/15/05 @ 3:42pm ET...
Hi Gang!!
Time is limited...must ask a question off-topic.
JC, Does this apparent "torture deal" concluded last night include anything about the US willingness to "render" it's prisoners (combatants) to foreign countries that perform torture. Is this how the US will bypass the law, by willingly asking others to do the torture for us?
Alan
Comment #37: Jay Lechnyr said on 12/15/05 @ 3:48pm ET...
Comment #24: Reed31463
OMG, somebody actually listened.
Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou.
I was beginning to think I was talking on the wind.
Comment #38: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 4:11pm ET...
Comment #36: Dr Alan H Levinson said on 12/15/05 @ 3:42pm ET...
Hi Gang!!
Time is limited...must ask a question off-topic.
JC, Does this apparent "torture deal" concluded last night include anything about the US willingness to "render" it's prisoners (combatants) to foreign countries that perform torture. Is this how the US will bypass the law, by willingly asking others to do the torture for us?
Comment #36: Dr Alan H Levinson
Isn't expecting the Monkey Boy and the Dick to honestly abide by a "deal" a bit naive in light of the events of the last five years?
Anyway, good God, think about it. Congress is having to make "deals" to attempt to coerce the satanistic lying sons of bitches in the White House not to TORTURE human beings? Is this the God damned Twilight Zone?
Comment #39: Reed31463 said on 12/15/05 @ 5:20pm ET...
The GOP has consolidated enough power and money, that they arrogantly ignore the rule of law. They obviously believe that no one can or will hold them accountable.
Cheney has illegally withheld documents from his Energy Task Force, the DoD continues to withhold photos illegally, the DoJ has impeded investigations into election fraud, and the Kean Commission covered-up important leads into the 9/11 investigation. An investigation the WH did not want. Specifically, questions about the five war exercises that were being conducted on 9/11 and the one scheduled in NY on 9/12 with FEMA, which was called TRIPOD II.
The media continues their role in disinformation management. The CIA and law enforcement has been given the green light to detain, render, and torture individuals without due process. This includes American citizens.
The GOP continues to defraud the taxpayers, by appropriating defense funds to shell corporations, such as MZM, The Wilkes Corporation, and their associated divisions. Here is a small list:
www.Acousticalcs.com
www.Adcs.com
www.Akamaiinfotech.com
www.Archerdefense.com
www.Archerlogistics.com
www.Asap-catering.com
www.Aztecclassic.com
www.Aztecgolf.com
www.Bbqranch.com
www.Cdpsa.com
www.Edge-catering.com
www.Electharman.com
www.Groupwadvisors.com
www.Groupwevents.com
www.Groupwholdings.net
www.Groupwmedia.net
www.Groupwoutfitters.com
www.Ict-sa.com
www.Libertydefensetech.com
www.Mailsafeinc.com
www.Mirrorlabs.com
www.Ocdllc.com
www.Perfectwavetech.com
www.Pkmi.com
www.Powaymafia.com
www.Powaysc.com
www.Primevector.com
www.Pureaquatech.com
www.Sandiegoheroes.org
www.Sdheroes.org
www.W-catering.com
www.Wilkesclan.com
www.Wilkescorp.com
www.Wilkesfoundation.com
www.Wilkesfoundation.org
www.Wilkestechnologygroup.com
So, in reference to the Senate Intelligence Committee Phase II report, "Where's the follow up???" It's here:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/Intel_Letter.pdf
To characterize this as "ineffective mewling letter writing" is exactly how the republicans feel about the law and documentation of this sort. They don't care and have no use for it. I suppose the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are "ineffective mewling letter writing" also?! They ignore them too!
We are(were?) a nation that believes in justice and the rule of law. Writing letters and submitting petitions, forms an important chain of documentary evidence. It provides proof of mens rhea and criminal behavior. Without it, arguments for war crimes, fraud, murder, and treason all become hearsay in a court of law. To advocate more drastic action is to advocate anarchy.
Can you imagine where we would be today if the Downing Street Memos, just "more mewling ineffective letters", had not surfaced? A majority of Americans would still be behind the Tyrant in the oval offic, the current fight over the renewal of the Patriot Act would not exist, and the minority voices would be branded as traitors and unpatriotic cowards. The path to fascism would also have been all but assured.
We MUST be patient and we need to ensure that we document and expose all of their criminal behavior. Then, we must ensure that fair and untempered elections occur in 2006. Because, even with all of the exposure and allegations, 2004 taught us that the fix is still on in OH. And, they got away with it!
The short term mission is quite clear; Democrats must establish a majority in the House of Representatives in the 2006 elections.
If this is not accomplished, the United States Of America should be renamed the Republiech de Amerikanna.
Comment #40: Bill_o_Carolina said on 12/15/05 @ 5:33pm ET...
Well Bush said Delay wasn't guilty so I guess they should just drop the investigation now. If only he'd let Fitz know about Rove then he could end his investigation also.
That's our Bush! What a maroon!
Comment #41: Frosted Flake said on 12/15/05 @ 5:39pm ET...
Nice work Congressman, an interesting and timely piece of information. It compares directly with the latest statement out of the Whitehouse (to a canned audience) in which George Bush accepts responsibility for invading Iraq based on FAULTY intelligence. I assume the intelligence he is talking about is yours and mine. The intelligence provided Mr. Bush by the CIA was not faulty, it was rejected, by Mr. Bush, because it did not provide him a reason to invade. It was rejected many times. For the same reason. And when it became apparent that the intelligence was what it was, and not what George wanted, he replaced it, with what he wanted. And then, on the strength of his lies, Goerge conviced our representatives in Congress to send our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, wives and husbands, and some of our childrens parents, and a half a trillion Dollars, to a wretched and godforsaken desert on the other side of the world to fight, kill and die, not to protect our Country, or our People, or our way of life, or our Constitution, but to instead do harm to all of these.
The story you provide us today, Congressman, shows us that the replacement of the real intelligence, with the fraudulent intelligence, was not a spur of the moment decision. It was instead a well thought out plan, executed over a number of months, in a number of Countries, by a number of people, starting BEFORE 9/11. The story you provide us today, Congressman, shows us conspiracy.
Well, that's interesting. (Yawn !!!!!!!)
That last bit is not my comment, it is what I'm hearing, from the right, but also now from the left. It is not unreasonable, for there is a reason for this. Lets go over that briefly.
This is not the first time we have detected this conspiracy. It's like the seventh time this year. How many times would I have to steal to be a thief? How many times would I have to lie to be a liar? How many times would I have to rape to be a rapist? How many times would I have to torture to be a torturer? How many times would I have to kill to be a killer? Goerge admits to killing thirty thousand, on the strength of intelligence which he knew to be faulty when he wrote it. Yet he still wears the title, President of the United States.
You can only see so much of this nonsense before you become jaded. Let us, in the interest of form, spend a moment actually trying to solve this problem. First, let's take a look at what it consists of.
A politicians' job centers on achieving consensus. Without consensus you wind up with bad government, with the marginal benifit of the few being paid for by the neglect of the needs of the many, (if I may say it that softly) kinda like now. When an inconvienient fact gets in the way of achieving consensus, a poloticians impulse is to bury that fact, and save that consensus, in the interest of "progress". The tendancy is to say later, "Yeah, it was messy, but we got 'er done." Pats on the back all around, anybody doesn't cheer, doesn't understand polotics. Most days, this is appropriate. Most of the rest of the days, it's at least dealwithable. But this ain't one of those days, it's this one, and on this day, for this problem, this method, is fatal. You are essentially trying to get your opponants to admit that they are criminal. For what imaginable reason would they do that? Is it because they are nice?
A detectives' job is competly the opposite of that of a polotician. He cares not one whit what the consensus is, nor does he try to change it. His focus is not on the general, but on the unusual, the out of place, the mistake that reveals the shape of that held out of sight. He cares only for the facts, and what those facts will prove in Court. To a panel of registered Voters. When a detective comes upon an inconvienient fact, one which defeats consensus, he does not try to bury it with money, he does not look at it as a problem or an impediment. Quite the opposite. For the detective, the same inconvienient fact that stymies the politicos is the break in the case he is tuned to look for. And trained to place before a jury. For the detective 'Conspiracy Theory' starts before breakfast and continues untill he falls asleep in front of the late, late show. It's his method, it's his business, it's his watchword. For the polotician, 'Conspiracy Theory' is a swearword.
You are going to have to get over this, because this is the (structural) weakness that is being used against us. So long as consensus is sought, it will be denied. Whatever the stakes. The situation requires that be recognized and responded to. The response required is a change of tactics. In a nutshell, the situation requires that you stop trying to get the opposition to admit that facts are facts, and instead show those facts to a Jury.
File civil suit in federal court in Washington D.C. on the strength of the Downing Street Memo and related matirials under the authority provided by section 3 of amendment 14 of the United States Constitution alleging a conspiracy (even though you hate that word) to rebell against the Constitution of the United States.
As for who is President afterwards, I note that last election Mr Kerry gained more electoral votes than any other eligable candidate. I look forward to the day it becomes germane to discuss this, but before then comes the day I write a check to support the suit against BushCo. I'll write that check ($100) the day I hear you filed that suit.
And I'll use my name, which I think you are aware of, I'll not sign it,
Frosted Flake
Comment #42: Ron said on 12/15/05 @ 6:06pm ET...
#39: Reed31463
I learned in my first responder class that pressure must be applied to a hemraging wound, or the patient could bleed out.
Well our country and its resources are bleeding out.
This is due to the wounds that a few egotistical pigs in office have given it.
In order to stop the flow,we need to apply pressure!
This must be direct pressure and it needs to be applied NOW!
The way I interpret the situation is ,enough evidence has been gathered,the situation has been evaluated ,enough blood has flowed.
The longer the inevitable is put off the more suffering our patient will have to endure.
Look at it this way ,if your relative is the one lying there, you would do anything to save them,or not? Well it is your relative that is there dying! What are you personally going to do to save him?
We are all brothers and sisters in our country! Some of us are dying daily. The politicians have had enough time to get their acts together. How much longer must we bleed? How much longer must we sign petitions that are sent into a black hole. How many more demonstrations do we have to go to ,stuck somewhere into a back alley in a cage,out of the eye of main stream America , befor we get some answers?
Comment #43: Frosted Flake said on 12/15/05 @ 6:19pm ET...
Thank You Ron #42. You have restated my point in many fewer words.
I appreciate this forum.
Frosted Flake
Comment #44: Ron said on 12/15/05 @ 6:27pm ET...
Back at ya Frosted Flake!*(;o)
Comment #45: Rusty said on 12/15/05 @ 6:46pm ET...
POA accurately identifies what is wrong with our political culture and media system. He also accurately identifies what we need to do to fix this hideous mess. I agree with him except for one thing.
I have to say that heaping blame on John Conyers because he hasn't been able to save American democracy all by himself is like heaping blame on an NYPD fireman because he couldn't save the World Trade Center towers all by himself.
Great posts, Frosted Flake, Reed, and Jay!
Endlessly Pointless Disorder Incorporated,
Don't you ever get tired of being a self-righteous hypocrite? You have never criticized the Bush Administration or the GOP, who are perpetrating outrages against democracy every day. But you howl like a stuck pig if Admin isn't consistent about enforcing the polite discourse rules on this blog.
Your posts are consistently worthless, other than that you're doing a heckuva job.
Comment #46: point of order said on 12/15/05 @ 7:42pm ET...
response to comment #45
Okay here ya go,
President Bush is soft on Immigration.
President Bush's oratory skills are sorely lacking.
The prescribtion drug benefit is a bloated and confusing program.
President Bush was wrong on the steel tariffs.
Today was a historic day in Iraq, the President has a vision for the future for Iraq and for the stability of the middle East that trumps any negative aspects of his Presidency. For that reason I support his decision to send troops to Iraq and to stay the course until the job is done, according to the wishes of the Iraq Goverment.
Now about your name-calling, which is in clear violation of the rules set up by the administrator of this blog~~~~~~~~~~~~
Comment #47: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 7:52pm ET...
"Now about your name-calling, which is in clear violation of the rules set up by the administrator of this blog"
Stop sniveling, its pathetic. Let the administrator do his job without your self serving kibitzing. It never ceases to amaze me what a bunch of weasels you right wing trolls are.
Comment #48: Neerav Trivedi said on 12/15/05 @ 8:24pm ET...
Comment #47: Pissed Off American said on 12/15/05 @ 7:52pm ET...
"Now about your name-calling, which is in clear violation of the rules set up by the administrator of this blog"
Stop sniveling, its pathetic. Let the administrator do his job without your self serving kibitzing. It never ceases to amaze me what a bunch of weasels you right wing trolls are.
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I agree with you, POA.
Maybe Christmas carols should end like troll-la-la-la-la, in the case of Republican neo-con freepers such as Pointless Disorder.
Stop wasting our time with your useless garbage, Pointless Disorder, and make like a tree and leave from here!
Comment #49: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 8:43pm ET...
POO
"Today was a historic day in Iraq, the President has a vision for the future for Iraq"
You have to be kidding me POO. POO please tell me your joking. Oh yes, God has given King Bush the vision that sober people can't see.
POO, I've got some breaking news for you the tooth fairy isn't real. I hope this information doesn't break you. I hope you are enjoying your other imaginary friends.
Comment #50: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 8:59pm ET...
POO,
When did King George get this vision you speak of (2000, 2001, 2004, 2005). In other words was Bush witholding his vision from the citizens of the United States (hiding pre-war intelligence) or is he flying by the seat of his paints(has this vision come to him just recently). Tell us about the timing of the vision POO. I'm really excited to learn when GOD appeared in Georgie boys dreams.
Comment #51: Genghis Khan said on 12/15/05 @ 9:02pm ET...
Dearest POO-bear:
Dubya didn't invade Iraq because of some altruistic desire to "liberate" the people there. The reasons he initially gave were the WMDs that Saddam Hussein was going to pass to his al-Qaeda buddies in order to perpetrate another 9/11-style attack on America.
We all know now that Dubya had no such credible information.
Therefore, Dubya lied to Congress and to the American People about his case for war. The past two years have proven conclusively that Dubya has no vision for Iraq other than US control over it through perpetual presence of US troops (control and presence which is flatly REJECTED by the Iraqi government and 80+% of the Iraqi people).
It is clear that the reason for the second Gulf War is the same as the first Gulf War. The first Gulf War was fought over oil (against Hussein who was threatening stability of that oil producing region). I agreed with that war. The world community agreed as well.
The second Gulf War was fought to introduce US control over the world's 2nd-largest reserves. I disagree. The global community disagrees as well.
The first Gulf War resulted in increased respect of the US in the Middle East. The second one has eroded our stature to 1970s levels or below. The global community as a whole distrusts the US to a level never seen in history.
Today was a historic day in Iraq. However, it was but one of a number we have seen in the past year.
None of them justified the actions of the Bush White House.
Today is no exception.
Comment #52: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 9:24pm ET...
#51,
I encounter a lot of people like POO every. Unfortunately, they have a lot of imaginary friends and hallucinations. There seems to be a disconnect from reality.
Comment #53: point of order said on 12/15/05 @ 9:33pm ET...
how sad that not one of you can see beyond the noses on your own faces, but it explains much. How sad, how very very sad.
Comment #54: Genghis Khan said on 12/15/05 @ 9:50pm ET...
Poo-bear, it is you who cannot see past your own partisan desires. Truth is revealed to you on a daily basis, and you continue to cherry-pick only the information which provides comfort in your delusionary mental shell.
The maintenance of your shell costs many thousands of others their lives, and countless more their fortunes. Yet you never care.
THAT is what is very, very sad.
Comment #55: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 9:59pm ET...
#53,
I can read your post and I would love to hear your response to #49.
Comment #56: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 10:01pm ET...
POO,
Excuse me I would love to see your response to #48.
Comment #57: trescott said on 12/15/05 @ 10:02pm ET...
#54,
I couldn't agree with you more.
Comment #58: Vyan said on 12/15/05 @ 10:14pm ET...
From SusanG on Dailykos:
Seems like it was just yesterday, Bush was saying:
Some of the most irresponsible comments - about manipulating intelligence - have come from politicians who saw the same intelligence I saw and then voted to authorize the use of force against Saddam Hussein, These charges are pure politics."
Whoops! It was yesterday! Ha ha ha ha ha! What a difference a day makes, eh? Because today from Knight Ridder, we have:
WASHINGTON - President Bush and top administration officials have access to a much broader range of intelligence reports than members of Congress do, a nonpartisan congressional research agency said in a report Thursday, raising questions about recent assertions by the president. ...The Congressional Research Service, by contrast, said: "The president, and a small number of presidentially designated Cabinet-level officials, including the vice president ... have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods." ...The CRS report identified nine key U.S. intelligence "products" that aren't generally shared with Congress. These include the President's Daily Brief, a compilation of analyses that's given only to the president and a handful of top aides, and a daily digest on terrorism-related matters.
Surprisingly, the White House refused to comment on the issue.
We can only hope some fightin' Dems come out tomorrow with plenty to say.
I'm pretty sure they will.
Vyan
Comment #59: Bill_o_Carolina said on 12/16/05 @ 8:05am ET...
#46 point of obfuscation said> "Today was a historic day in Iraq, the President has a vision for the future for Iraq and for the stability of the middle East that trumps any negative aspects of his Presidency. For that reason I support his decision to send troops to Iraq and to stay the course until the job is done, according to the wishes of the Iraq Goverment."
Trumps any negative aspects of his presidency? Are you for real? Nevermind that he knowingly used forged documents, nevermind that he misled congress and the public! Nevermind that he's gutting our nation as long as the Iraqi's have their elusive freedom.
And by the way, this was PNAC's vision not georgies' I guess in your world the end justifies the means?
Again I ask why is poop's posts even acknowledged?
Comment #60: trescott said on 12/16/05 @ 9:25am ET...
#59,
You must have read my mind. By the way we might be getting to POO, I haven't seen him answer #59 or #50.
Comment #61: Citizen J said on 12/16/05 @ 4:20pm ET...
#60- No, poo just posts crap with no point. Never defends with anything relevant or intelligent, never answers direct, pointed questions because he CAN'T. He's just here to distract us all.
Best to ignore POO, he'll get bored and go away. At least he doesn't *usually* post outright LIES like stoufi, but just delusionary opinions and bullsh*t that shows how relentlessly clueless he is.
Comment #62: tahoebasha1 said on 12/16/05 @ 5:42pm ET...
FOX News:
". . . . The high voter turnout was due, in part, to large numbers of Sunni Arabs showing up at some of the country's 33,000 polling stations; many Sunnis boycotted elections earlier this year. . . . " The SPIN is on! Voting Extended in Historic Iraq Elections
(We need to go on a "FOX hunt.")
Inasmuch as the Sunnis have been considered to be a large part of the insurgency in Iraq, I think the following is interesting:
U.S. Talks With Iraqi Insurgents Confirmed
U.S. Seeks Sunni Support Against Iraq Insurgents
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5031523 Google for more!
High voter turnout among Sunnis? Hmmmmm!
Comment #63: koryannder said on 12/17/05 @ 6:10am ET...
POA didn't care for my earlier post. Tough. "You do what you can with what you've got." And if you can't understand that, maybe "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegsr." The point POA can't seem to understand is that we don't have very may DEMOCRATS in either House. They are elected using the same pool of corrupt multinational Corp. money that the Rethuglicans are. Naturally they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
FYI: The correct spelling is PUBLICLY. It grates to see an otherwise intelligent, coherent post, regardless of the fact that it is emotion-driven and a trifle overstated, marred by an obvious sixth-grade error. A suggestion: if you aren't sure of something, LOOK IT UP!
BTW: did POA ever hear of irony? I don't think so. I believe POA is entirely too straightforward to recognize an aphorism if it bit him. Look, fellow straight-shooter, we are all in this leaky boat together, and it's not fair for you to bail water INTO the boat. Your anger is refreshing at times, but too much and you'll get as thoroughly tuned out as STUFFIT was, and as POO is about to be. That would not be good, because you do occasionally make some good points. Lighten up; you'll get read more. As I said, AND MEANT, Rep. Conyers is one of the few congresspeople who gives a damn about the people. If you can't accept that, you're posting to the wrong blog.
Comment #64: Pissed Off American said on 12/17/05 @ 1:46pm ET...
POA didn't care for my earlier post. Tough. "You do what you can with what you've got." And if you can't understand that, maybe "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegsr."
Comment #63: koryannder
How much "honey" has the Bush camp baited us with? Who has caught the most "flies"?
You use your methods, I'll use mine. Eventually, you'll be using mine too. Thats where we are headed. I only hope my anger is contagious, because it is only a united and ANGRY citizenry that is going to turn this around.
And thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm not a speechwriter, or a literary whiz. I'm a furniture and cabinet maker. Period. Tell ya what, be sure to keep me posted when I misspell something, I always welcome outside help when it comes to picking my nits.
Comment #65: point of order said on 12/18/05 @ 7:39am ET...
To: National Desk
Contact: Jennifer Crider of the Office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, 202-226-7616; Web: http://democraticleader.house.gov
WASHINTON, Dec. 17 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on President Bush's December 17, 2005, radio address during which he disclosed that he had provided authority to the National Security Agency to conduct unspecified activities. The President also disclosed that leaders of Congress had been briefed on his action.
"We all agree that the President must have the best possible intelligence to protect the American people, but that intelligence must be produced in a manner consistent with the United States Constitution and our laws. The President's statement today raises serious questions as to what the activities were and whether the activities were lawful.
"I was advised of President Bush's decision to provide authority to the National Security Agency to conduct unspecified activities shortly after he made it and have been provided with updates on several occasions.
"The Bush Administration considered these briefings to be notification, not a request for approval. As is my practice whenever I am notified about such intelligence activities, I expressed my strong concerns during these briefings."
http://www.usnewswire.com/
Comment #66: point of order said on 12/18/05 @ 7:44am ET...
response to comment # 62
WASHINGTON (AP) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told President Bush Friday that he was pleased with the vote in Iraq as they discussed ways in which the international community could provide help in Iraq, the White House said.
Annan told Bush that violence in Iraq was low, voter turnout was high and that the Iraqi people had cleared another hurdle "on the road to democracy,'' said Federick Jones, spokesman for the National Security Council.
Jones, who spoke to reporters late Friday, provided no further details on how the international community might become more involved in Iraq. Critics of the war have complained that there is too little international involvement in the rebuilding effort.
Annan and Bush also discussed the status of the investigation into the murder of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, as well as ways to help end ongoing violence in the Sudan's war torn Darfur region.
Jones said Annan placed the call to Bush, who was at the White House.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5787795.html
Comment #67: Rusty said on 12/18/05 @ 6:02pm ET...
#65
More pointless, fascist smoke-and-mirrors gibberish from Pointless Disorder, Inc.
So . . . if Hitler had notified Moshe Hershowitz that he had given the SS authority to slaughter six million Jews, and provided updates to Moshe on how the Holocaust was coming along, that would have made the Holocaust legal. Furthermore, because Moshe had received prior notice of the Holocaust and helpful updates, he was as much to blame for it as Hitler and the SS.
#66
The Iraqi people have cleared another hurdle on the road to civil war and an alliance with the extremist, terrorist state of Iran.
Thank you for vomiting your fascist bile all over the blog again, Pointless Disorder.
Comment #68: point of order said on 12/18/05 @ 6:58pm ET...
response to comment #67
Post # 65 is a press release from Rep Nancy Pelosi. Post # 66 is an article in the Star Tribune
Comment #69: Rusty said on 12/18/05 @ 7:40pm ET...
Why did you post them here? Explain what point you were trying to make!
Comment #70: point of order said on 12/18/05 @ 8:17pm ET...
response to comment # 68
They were relevant to the posts they were intended to respond to.
Comment #71: Rusty said on 12/20/05 @ 5:57am ET...
Do you call that pathetic mumbling you posted in #70 a response? Do your country and the world a favor, don't ever leave your home, don't attempt to communicate with any form of sentient beings. In fact, just stay in bed the rest of your life and lie there until your heart stops.
