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Comment #1: Nolip said on 10/9/05 @ 8:15pm ET...

Rove lied to Bush about Wilson the same way Bush lied to Congress about Iraq. Send them both to jail, do not let them pass "Go" or collect $200.

Comment #2: DrLaniac said on 10/9/05 @ 8:17pm ET...

Reach: Please stop with the crazy conspiracy crap. [Admin: The post referred to has been deleted] Tom Flocco is SO not a reliable source for anything. If he said the weather in my area was sunny and warm, I'd look out the window to check before I took his word for it. Knowing that you buy into that stuff means I will treat you the same way.

And day after day you pollute Representative Conyers' blog with the same crap. Day in, day out. I'm sick of it. Go find somewhere else to repeat this tripe. Like maybe TomFlocco.com or someother right-wing conspiracy site.

Comment #3: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/9/05 @ 8:39pm ET...

I would actually appreciate it if we keep the discussions on topic nad related to the threads that Mr. Conyers posts on this forum.

We are here to discuss issues of government corrpution, Plamegate, the Iraq War (and DSM), and oher items that Mr. Conyers posts here almost every day about.

I do not really see the relevance of AIPAC, Zionist conspiracyies of Israel or the illumnatis, etc... to any of the current or former threads here on Conyers Blog.

I DO want to talk about Plamegate Rove and the evils of the corrupt and loathsome Bush Administration and their equally repulsice Repoublican cronies in Congress.

I DO want to talk about the Iraq War and the "Downing Street Minutes" (DSM).

I DO want to talk about other examples of the corrpution of the Bush Administration and the Republkoicans "friends" on all levels of government, state, local.

But PLEASE, let's keep the discussion on topic with the topic of the thread that Mr. Conyers posts here on Conyers Blog. Thanks.

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #4: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/9/05 @ 8:54pm ET...

I am not trying to stifle free speech like OhioDem1 tried to do in the last thread. I just want to keep everything on topic to the threads, as it is makes for a MUCH better discussion of the issues at hand for everyone that Mr. Conyers bring to our attention, not just for us.

Again, I am not trying to stifle free speech or the free exchange of ideas in the search for truth (against President Bush, the Bush Administration and his cronies in Congress), just trying to help keep the thread on topic and interesting to discuss. Thanks!

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #5: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/9/05 @ 9:34pm ET...

Hey everyone!

Join the Yahoo! Groups forum for Conyers Blog, which I created for you, on which we can talk about stuff that we can't here on Conyers Blog, plus stuff also related to what was talked about here on Conyers Blog.

I also posted a direct link to this "official" Conyers Blog forum, so we can keep discussing stuff here on John Conyer's blog, as he needs as much help as we can give him!!!

I "DO" want you to still post your ideas and thoughts here on the "official" blog for Mr. John Conyers, as you have been doing for some time now. I will still post here as well, and I expect all of you to still come on this blog, read the posts and post comments, as you have been doing.

BY NO MEANS do I want you to abandon the official blog for Mr. Conyers for my Yahoo! Groups forum related to Conyers Blog. If you can post both here and in my Yahoo! forum, I would appreciate it greatly.

You may have to sign up a Yahoo! account, which should take you no time to do. You can find the link here to my Conyers Blog forum on Yahoo! Groups, as seen below:

Conyers Blog

And no neo-con/pro-Bush freepers allowed!!!

I will also see if I can get Mr. Conyers himself to join our Yahoo! Groups forum for Conyers Blog as our honorary member, as the Yahoo! Groups forum is wholly dedicated to Conyers Blog, and to the man behind that blog.......Mr. John Conyers!

Thanks, and I will see all of you there!!!

- Neerav B. Trivedi,
Administrator, Conyers Blog Yahoo! Forum

Comment #6: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/9/05 @ 9:39pm ET...

Sorry about that folks, I posted a bad link in my last post to my Yahoo! Groups forum that is dedicated to both Mr. Conyers and to Conyers Blog.

Here is the actual link, which I am refering to:

Conyers Blog

See you there!!!

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #7: UL said on 10/9/05 @ 11:48pm ET...

Good evening Congressman Conyers,

Thank you, once again, for your leadership.

Couple of links you may find of interest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5018412

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5007975

Peace,
UL

Comment #8: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 12:01am ET...

#3 Goodluck trying to keep people on topic.

Comment #9: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 12:10am ET...

Thanks to the admin for finally cracking down on all the bull here. Now the adults can have a serious conversation!!!!

Comment #10: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 12:18am ET...

Wow, good stuff here... Did Miller commit perjury?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/patrick-fitzgeralds-mous_b_8569.html

Comment #11: romunov said on 10/10/05 @ 1:09am ET...

And let us not forget the real scandal behind this. She was ousted to protect the forged documents which (among other "evidence") took your country to an illegal war and ruined your good reputation. The admin. will be voted out, filthy rich and laymen will (again) be paying the price (body count vise and monetarely).

Luckily, there are better news as well. Con. Conyers has been very vigelant regarding the American democracy. You have our support and hope that you press the Administration on all the lies, when the day comes.

There may be more and more people joining him, although some might be just driftwood from the Republican party who wishes to wash their hands over the bad presidency of George W. Bush.

Comment #12: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 6:28am ET...

No problem, Number6! LOL! :)

I am starting to get very annoyed (and disgusted, as I have Jewish friends) by all this Zionist/illiminati/AIPAC/Israel stuff, and question the relevance of all of this to the topics/subjects that Mr. Conyers posts here on Conyers Blog for us to discuss.

Not to mention the fact that the e-mail discussions that I get are the same and are spamming my e-mail inbox!!! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment #13: GreyHawk121 said on 10/10/05 @ 7:34am ET...

Congressman -

As you are well aware, nobody in this Administration will take any real measure of accountability. That is, unfortunately, for the few real representatives in Congress to impose, along with a segment of the (increasingly aware) public.

On a side note, please check out this dailyKos diary by Stirling Newberry for a quick "unspun terminology" reference.

I found a few more words to add to that list in this diary by Miri:

Get ready for all the buzz words; "criminalization of politics", "overzealous prosecutors", "politics of personal destruction", "why would anybody go into politics with all these investigations", "witchnunts"...........

Yes folks these are the same people who were screaming "rule of law" during the blowjobgate. Now with treasongate on the horizon they want to "change the tone" and a "kinder and gentler" political climate. How convenient.

Comment #14: LeslieB said on 10/10/05 @ 10:50am ET...

Editor & Publisher have a couple good articles on their website concerning Plamegate, which raise a lot of good questions. [For example: "The Case of the Missing Notebook and "Was Libby's Waiver Voluntary?"]

Some of the questions raised:
Why is the NY Times always a step or two behind the competition in reporting on its own reporter in Plamegate? Did Miller lie to the grand jury about the fact that she had an earlier conversation with Libby in June 2003, before Novak had written his article outing Plame and before Wilson had published his oped? Did Libby lie? If Libby and Miller discussed Wilson in June 2003, as Miller's recently discovered notes indicate, then was Libby the original source for the information leaking Plame? Was Miller a carrier for the leak information to the media? Did Libby's letter to Miller about the "aspens turning" instruct Miller on what was safe to disclose to the grand jury, i.e., any conversations that occurred after June?

Comment #15: Ohiodem1 said on 10/10/05 @ 10:54am ET...

Neerav #4 - One quick comment. My comments in the last thread did not support a stifling of free speech. I recommended a banning if a specific individual mentioned could not follow the rules. That individual has posted in this thread, and appears to be following the rules of the blog.

Free speech is a right I defended with my service, and I take it VERY seriously. This is a forum with rules, and it works best when they are followed. We owe that much to Rep. Conyers.

Opposing views, with a respectful give and take sharpens our focus and helps us articulate our positions, and has the power to pursuade others to our side. It makes us think, which is beneficial. OD1

Comment #16: LeslieB said on 10/10/05 @ 10:56am ET...

Another underlying question in Plamegate is who forged the Niger documents?

Comment #17: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 10:59am ET...

Did anyone notice that in Fitzgerald's subpeona of Miller he not only asked for documents concerning PLame/Wilson but also, "concerning Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium." Check out Kos post for, as usual, a indepth analysis...

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/10/9/192555/974

If Fitzgerald is really going after the forgeries, this is going to be HUGE.

Comment #18: LeslieB said on 10/10/05 @ 11:36am ET...

Number 6, comment #17, your link is no good. It leads to a blank page.

I wonder why Fitzgerald hasn't requested information about conversations Miller had with Libby going back to March 2003? When Wilson alleged there was a high-level Cheney staff meeting about him. There were also meetings in January, February and March 2002, when Vince Cannistraro, former CIA head of operations, testified at a Democratic Policy Committee hearing that Libby and Cheney met with CIA analysts about the CIA's not backing the Bush administration's theory about Iraq and WMDs. See Talk Left.

Believe the closest anyone has come to figuring out who was behind the forged Niger documents has been Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo, but I don't have the links to his Niger posts.

Comment #19: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 12:02pm ET...

Sorry, try this one...

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/

Comment #20: Jo said on 10/10/05 @ 12:03pm ET...

MSNBC.com connected coast to coast has a plamegate question in their online poll. Here's your chance to add to the spin machine :o)

Comment #21: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 12:10pm ET...

The attacks on Fitzgerald begin...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1115661,00.html

Note the last name of one of the authors.... Sound familiar?

Comment #22: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 2:09pm ET...

OhioDem!:

I forgot to apologize for that to you. I actually agree with you (100%) that none of this BS on illuminatis, Zionism, Iseral, etc....is related to ANYTHING discussed on the topics posted by Mr. Conyers on this blog.

I have been questioning the relevance to it for some time with regards to the topics issued, OhioDem1, but was afriad to voice my opinion against it. Whether Isreal is involved or not or whether Zionists are trying to take over the world, or some junk about illuminatis (who the heck are they) is NOT related to why we went into Iraq in the first place, why the elections in 2000 and 2004 were stolen, why a CIA agent was outed, etc...

Yeah, sorry about that, OhioDem1 but I agree with you, but forgot to apologize for that.

Oh yeah, I "only" agree with Number6 that we should focus on the topic of the threads posted by Mr. Conyers, anything else not related to that SHOULD NOT be posted here. Other than that, Number6 is a freeper that will be dealt with like a neo-con freeper.

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #23: Ohiodem1 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:28pm ET...

Neerav - Apology accepted. I have had online conversations with Number6, and believe that he is a progressive trying to survive in Cincinnati, the reddest part of Ohio. Number6 seems to have the same agenda that we do, clean elections and stopping the crimes against America by the Bush admin.

I urge that you withhold judgment for a while. OD1

Comment #24: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:31pm ET...

#22 What the hell are you talking about?!?! Do you have any reading or comprehension skills?!?! Please show me how I am a freeper. Show me one post where I defended the Bush Admin!

To the Admin, I am sick of this slander against me.

Comment #25: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:33pm ET...

Thank you to Ohiodem for the defense. You obviously have both reading and comprehension skills. [admin: sentence deleted]

Comment #26: ljm said on 10/10/05 @ 2:43pm ET...

Bush talked to Ftiz when he wasn't under oath. I wouldn't believe in a million that Rove lied to him. They've known each other since they were college age. Rove would lie to Poppy, but not to W.

Comment #27: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:44pm ET...

#25 my post. To the admin, thank you for deleting that sentence. I apologize to the admin, but not to Nareev.

Comment #28: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:46pm ET...

#26 Yeah, I don't think Rove lied to Bush because Bush already knew Rove was in on it. They are just trying to cover Bush's butt, think of Reagan and Iran Contra... Ollie and those guys protected Reagan. If Bush is not there he cannot pardon Rove, so Rove has to do what he can to protect Bush.

Comment #29: Nolip said on 10/10/05 @ 3:34pm ET...

Mark Kleiman: Patrick Fitzgerald's Mousetrap

Mark Kleiman
Sun Oct 9,12:03 PM ET


Just back from the LA Blogger Bash, where Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake patiently explained to me her theory, and that of emptywheel of The Next Hurrah, of how it came to pass that Judith Miller suddenly discovered some notes about her meetings with "Scooter" Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, after her grand jury testimony.

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If it's not -- as I suspect it is -- a brilliant and plausible inference that accurately ties together disparate facts, it's one of the best pieces of legal fiction ever penned. You should read both of the linked items in full, but here's the idea as I understand it:

1. The revelation of Plame's identity to Cooper and Novak (among others) was part of an attack on Joseph Wilson's credibility that started before, and not after, his NYT op-ed of July 6, 2003. Wilson had already been the unnamed source of press reports casting doubt on the uranium-from-Niger story, and the White House Iraq Group was out to get him, for self-protection and retaliation.

2. Miller planned to write a story about Wilson, prompted by Libby and members of the W.H.I.G.; those plans were pre-empted by his op-ed. (Or perhaps when he learned that his role as a source for Kristof was going to be revealed anyway, he decided to tell the story himself.)

3. Libby had told the grand jury about his conversations with Miller in July, but not about conversations in June relating to the story that Miller planned to write but never wrote. Those conversations would have been hard to reconcile with the story Libby and his friends were trying to peddle: that their attacks on Wilson were purely defensive responses to his op-ed.

4. Unbeknownst to Libby and Miller, Fitzgerald had learned of those June conversations, either from Wilson or from someone at the Times.

5. As Fitzgerald expected, Miller in her testimony did not mention the June conversations with Libby. (Libby's letter to Miller contains language that might be read as signaling to her that she should confine her testimony to the July conversations.) Fitzgerald asked her leading questions which, without tipping her off about how much Fitzgerald knew, put her in the position of having to testify falsely in order to avoid mentioning those conversations.

6. Once Miller's testimony was over, Fitzgerald called her lawyer and said, "Why didn't your client mention the June conversations when she was asked about them?" It was that phone call that triggered Miller's sudden discovery of the June notes.

7. Having caught Miller committing perjury, Fitzgerald is now in a position to, in effect, renege on his agreement to ask her only about her conversations with Libby. Under the terms of that agreement, Fitzgerald can't compel her to testify about conversations with other people, but she can of course do so voluntarily. And Fitzgerald can tell her lawyer that if she fails to volunteer, she may be looking at substantially more than 85 days behind bars on charges of perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice, being an accessory to Libby's violations of the Espionage Act, or being a co-conspirator with him and others in those violations. (This is perfectly acceptable prosecutorial conduct, not even close to any ethical line.)

Instead of a mere percipient witness, Miller is now a potential defendant, and Fitzgerald can try to "flip" her against all of her sources, not just Libby.

Jane concludes:

Note to self: do not EVER play poker with Patrick Fitzgerald.
Well, right. And I would add: do not enter a spy-novel-writing contest against Jane Hamsher or emptywheel. I don't often encounter anyone with a mind more devious than my own, but in this case I bow to either superior penetration or superior invention. Whether this is Fitzgerald's plot or Jane's, its author has a wickedly brilliant intellect.

Update Tom Maguire notes that Fitzgerald's subpoena to Miller covered only documents after July 6. So why, Tom asks, is Ms. Miller suddenly so talkative? Count that as another puzzling phenomenon that the Hamsher theory explains nicely.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20051009/cm_huffpost/008569;_ylt=A86.I2OTR0lDK94AuQ79wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Comment #30: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 6:53pm ET...

OhioDem1:

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I apologize to Number6, if he is one of us.

Sorry about that Number6.......didn't mean to shoot you, my aim is bad!!!

I am glad Number6 is joining our cause to bring Bush and his cronies down!!!

Welcome to the team, Number6!!!

Now, it is up to the three of us to keep all of the posts on this blog ON TOPIC, so are the two of you up to it? We got a lot of work to do on Conyers Blog to help Mr. Conyers, so I need ideas on what we can do.

OhioDem1 - you lead the charge......Number6 and I will follow suit. Again, let's try to keep the posts on this blog, and not the Zionist, Israel/illiminati/New World Order garbage that has no relevance to any of the thread topics on Conyers Blog.

Now Number6, what was that about the attacks on Fitzgerald? Can you give me more links to follow up on. I think this is expected with the indictments coming soon.

Wait, but there is a Zionist conspiracy from Israel for a One World Order.....oh wait, the losers who posted that garbage got banned by the Admin, THANK YOU ADMIN!!!

Note the sarcasm there.......and yes, Number6, you can make fun of me for it!!! :)

Alright you two, let's hop to it!!!

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #31: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 6:57pm ET...

Comment #28: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 2:46pm ET...

#26 Yeah, I don't think Rove lied to Bush because Bush already knew Rove was in on it. They are just trying to cover Bush's butt, think of Reagan and Iran Contra... Ollie and those guys protected Reagan. If Bush is not there he cannot pardon Rove, so Rove has to do what he can to protect Bush.

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Agreed. And now that is is all in the open, Rove will have to "unfortunately" tell the truth to Bush. Do you know how when a dog gets yelled at, it lets its ears droop and its tail between the legs? That is what Rove will look like telling the truth about Plamegate to his boss Bush. LOL!!!

Hey Number6, got any popcorn? I want to watch Bush dropkick Rove right in the kisser!

As soon as this comes up, and as soon as the Iraq Constitution fails, look for a nice 4 - 6 poin drop in his polls.

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #32: Citizen J said on 10/10/05 @ 7:39pm ET...

Neerav, your unbridled glee at the banning of others is pretty unbecoming. People come here to exchange ideas, let's not forget that premise. One man's "garbage" is another man's treasure. Just because YOU think it's "garbage" doesn't mean that it *all* is, and that everyone thinks as you do.

Personally, I try to accumulate "things that make me go 'hmmmmmm'...." and put all those in a mental file. Once I have enough "hmmm's" in that file, I start to research. For me, there's enough to the "Zionist, Israel/illiminati/New World Order garbage" to warrant further examination and consideration, as it relates to the bigger picture.

I do agree, as I've stated several times, that we're better served to stay focused on things that we CAN prove, right now.

Not trying to pick a fight with you, just making a point.

Comment #33: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 7:48pm ET...

Citizen J:

Sorry to burst you bubble, but loking at the posts on this threadm they all seem to want to focus on the topic at hand.

Plus, I have Number6, Jo, OhioDem1, Nolip and DrLaniac, who I all agree with and would agree with me that this while Zionist/illuminati/One World Oder, Israel conspiracy to take over the world is grabage and is not at all related to anhything that Mr. Conyers posts here on Conyers Blog.

Therefore, those who TRULY want to stay focused and on topic and help Mr. Conyer's cause outnumber you, who seems to want to continue that line of discussion despite the fact that oh say 5 or 6 people got banned for it.

You can continue to do research on this subject, just don't post it here where the rest of us will hate you for it.

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Comment #34: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/10/05 @ 7:52pm ET...

OhioDem1, Number6, Jo, Dr.Laniac:

Do you all agree with what I posted in response to Citzen J on post #33?

Comment #35: Citizen J said on 10/10/05 @ 7:57pm ET...

You missed my point completely. All I'm saying is that people have different ideas about what's important, and YOU don't get to say what's important to everyone. I'm not saying that *everything* should be allowed, especially here. Go back and read my posts before you flame me.

I don't need your or anyone ELSE'S permission to continue to research, thanks very much. Don't be a condescending jerk, dude.

Comment #36: Marilyn Conner said on 10/10/05 @ 8:39pm ET...

Neerav Trivedi,
Hate is a strong and destructive word and I do not agree with the post you made to Citizen J.
Maybe everyone could just skip over what they feel doesn't apply to them or they have no use for.
Seems like an easier way to get along.
Others who find the information useful and interesting.

Comment #37: Marilyn Conner said on 10/10/05 @ 8:46pm ET...

I forgot to post what I came here for.
Video at this link on the CIA leak.
http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/hardballroveplameoct10052.wmv

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/hardballinemanmoorewolffoct1005.wmv

http://www.canofun.com/blog/default.asp

Comment #38: Citizen J said on 10/10/05 @ 8:49pm ET...

Thanks Marilyn, that's all I was saying.

Again, I RECOGNIZE that there are problems with posting that info here- I REALIZE that many people think that stuff is WAY out there and will use it against the Congressman, thus the need to get rid of it to avoid any complications in the future. The reality of this makes me sad, however, as I do think that knowledge is power and I enjoy the free-flow of ideas here.

Comment #39: Marilyn Conner said on 10/10/05 @ 9:01pm ET...

I quite agree with enjoying a free-flow of ideas. Most definitely I feel it promotes learning and thinking out of the box.

Anyone that missed Hardball tonight should check out the links above it is worth watching.

Countdown with Keith Olbermann is interesting tonight as well.
CanOfun will probably have those links up in a while.
If not crooksandliars may.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/

Comment #40: Ohiodem1 said on 10/10/05 @ 9:38pm ET...

Let's all kiss and make up, and put the fight behind us. We should all read the posts maybe a little more carefully so minunderstandings about what is being said will happen less frequently.

We need to keep the next war from starting while the American people are cleaning house. Focus.

Comment #41: Marilyn Conner said on 10/10/05 @ 9:38pm ET...

Congressman Conyers,
I don't think this White House will ever take responsibility for anything they have done however, I do think they will eat each other alive.
Marilyn

Interesting diary at kos.
Rove has many enemies even inside the White House.

Rove vs. Card: Divided Camps in the White House?
by Marisa McNee
On the 5pm edition of Hardball, Howard Fineman just reported something I hadn't heard before: there is a real divide between Andy Card and Karl Rove in the White House.

snip--
That among the potential for being indicted, the other thing Rove now has to worry about is that there are now people within the White House that want him gone. People, according to Fineman, that may not have ever liked Rove to begin with.
snip--
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/10/18258/805

Some older articles on Karl Rove.
JANUARY 1, 2003
Why Are These Men Laughing?
ESQUIRE, JANUARY 2003.http://www.ronsuskind.com/newsite/articles/archives/000032.html

The Atlantic Monthly November 2004

KARL ROVE IN A CORNER

Karl Rove is at his most formidable when running close races, and his skills would be notable even if he used no extreme methods. But he does use them. His campaign history shows his willingness, when challenged, to employ savage tactics
BY JOSHUA GREEN
.....
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green

Comment #42: Marilyn Conner said on 10/10/05 @ 9:53pm ET...

Ohiodem1 and everyone here,
I agree kiss and make up sounds wonderful because we need each other and we are all important to a democracy that we are fighting for.

New diary about Fitzgerald at kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/10/212019/76

I will apologize in advance because this is off topic but it worries me so and we can not forget New Orleans for a second.
Rove is probably very busy with Luskin and Fitzgerald however the Neo-Cons may all have the same plans as Rove. I just wanted everyone to see the article.
When will all of our fellow Americans have their lives back?

Article published Oct 10, 2005
Jackson taking evacuees back to New Orleans

By CHERYL WITTENAUER
Associated Press Writer

The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Monday accused the Bush administration of using Hurricane Katrina to reconstruct Louisiana politics, saying the U.S. had no plan to return displaced residents.

Jackson also criticized the government's awarding no-bid contracts to outside contractors importing out-of-state and foreign workers to rebuild New Orleans, while thousands of displaced former city residents are "languishing in 40 states" looking for work.

"There is no plan for massive rescue, relocation or return of residents," Jackson said in St. Louis, one stop along a route that a bus caravan of Katrina evacuees is taking to New Orleans to claim those jobs. The evacuees, escorted by Jackson's Chicago-based Operation PUSH, are due to arrive in New Orleans on Tuesday.

He said the able-bodied workers who survived Katrina have a right to return home and rebuild their city, but that they are "last on the list."

Jackson said President Bush's chief political strategist, Karl Rove, is overseeing reconstruction of the Gulf Coast, and that he and others in the White House are using Katrina to push their political agenda. He said black, Democratic-leaning voters have been radically dislocated and are being kept in "permanent exile."

"Karl Rove is a political reconstructionist" who wants to "change the character" of Louisiana politics from the mayor's office to its congressional representation.

White House spokesman Allen Abney said Bush, working with Cabinet members, and not Rove, is leading the Gulf Coast reconstruction effort.
snip--http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051010/APN/510101076&cachetime=3&template=dateline

Comment #43: JG said on 10/10/05 @ 10:35pm ET...

Did you all get a chance to read the article nolip cited (#29) It's speculative, but seems plausible given the return trips to the grand jury scheduled for both Miller and Rove.

Comment #44: number6 said on 10/10/05 @ 11:45pm ET...

Just back from work and have been catching up on the blog...

First, to Nareev, cool, no sweat, sorry I got so mad. Sorry I told you to go to a place I don't believe exists!!! :> I take back my other comments in #27 also.

1) Attacks on Fitz: First check out Time magazine. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1115661,00.html Again, note the name of one of he authors. Everything moves in circles. Then check out this video... http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Connected-Randy-Burkman-Rove-points.wmv

2) On comment #41. I'm willing to loan them a knife and fork if it will speed up the digestive process!!!

3) #43, Yeah I read that the other day... It's a speculative, but really good analysis. Personally if you put it together with DailyKos' speculation...Wow. I'm beginning to think Fitzgerald's real goal is the Niger Forgeries. Wow. They all fall down.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/9/192555/974

Comment #45: Rusty said on 10/11/05 @ 12:42am ET...

I think I have this whole CIA leak thing figured out. Bear with me, this is kind of complicated . . .

Bush and the GOP desperately tried to keep Teri Schiavo alive last winter because God told Pat Robertson to tell James Dobson that God wanted Robert Novak to ask Karl Rove to call Judith Miller and have her interview Schiavo. This sequence of contacts took place because Bill Frist heard Schiavo say, "The Iraqi WMD is buried under a tool shed in Ramadi," when he was diagnosing her by videotape.

Frist reported this to Scooter Libby, who called Dick Cheney, who called Judith Miller and told her to be sure to protect Schiavo's identity as her source. Miller readily agreed because brain dead or not, Schiavo knew as much about national security as any other source she'd ever had in her entire career at the New York Times.

Tragically, just before Miller arrived at the Florida hospice, Schiavo died. Suspecting foul play, Miller engaged in some investigative journalism by calling the RNC and discovered that activist liberal judges had been sent to Florida by Valerie Plame to kill Schiavo before she could elaborate on what she knew.

In the aftermath of this heinous judicial murder, which was prophesied in Isaiah 2:14, Michael Brown heard George W. Bush tell Karl Rove, "destroy that evil harlot Valerie Plame, and make sure every Republican in the White House, State Department, Pentagon, Congress, the United Nations, Focus on the Family, TRMPAC, Halliburton, the corporate media, Diebold, the NRA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, and the mayor's office in Crawford knows that I want Plame's identity as an extremely covert CIA operative intentionally exposed."

Brownie's kept his mouth shut so far, but he's a man in serious need of guaranteed job security and he was really annoyed when Bush nominated John Roberts and Harriet Miers for lifetime jobs on the Supreme Court instead of him.

Brownie, Kitzgerald's phone number is 1-437-780-8642. Don't just make that call for your country, think of the book and movie deals you could get out of it. Think about it: "Brownie Saves America" in bookstores everywhere, and then the movie, "America's Superhero" in theaters nationwide, starring Tom Cruise.

I know you read this blog every day, Brownie, not only because you have a lot of time on your hands, but because we know a lot more about disaster management than you do. So heed my advice and call Fitzgerald, not only because it's the right thing to do, but because I know all about that unfortunate vacation incident involving you, those three London girls, and that chainsaw.

OK, one of them is happily married to Paul McCartney now, but the other two are still kind of bitter about you sawing off their legs in a drunken rage after your photo op for the Arabian Horse Dealers Association didn't go well. To make a long story short, their people called my people, and . . . well, I think you see what I'm getting at here.

Brownie, my patience with you is wearing thin. Just call Fitz and he'll take it from there.

Comment #46: Neerav Trivedi said on 10/11/05 @ 8:34am ET...

Citizen J, Jo, Marilyn Conner, OhioDem1, Number6:

I have been reading what you wrote about Fitzgereald since my last post, and I find it troubling. Espcecially what Rusty posted on #43.

Ok, so Judith Miller is testifying again. Anyone want to speculate what she might any and how it will affect Karl Rove and Scooter Libby's future in the White House?

What else have you heard about the Plamegate scandal and its relation to the illegal war in Iraq?

Comment #47: Marilyn Conner said on 10/11/05 @ 3:26pm ET...

In reference to #29 http://tinyurl.com/7j84o

Neerav,
I will speculate on Rove and Scooter's future by saying it is almost over for them both.The Niger forgeries are the key to entire kingdom of Bush company..Everything and everyone of them are notoriously incestuous.

Judy, Judy, Judy Redux
Ah, Judy. Queen of the NY Social Scene. Martyr of journalistic integrity and principle. Writer of truths and well-researched factual tomes.
Cough. WMDs. Cough. Curveball. Cough.
Well, and except for that pesky notebook found in the Washington bureau of the NY Times full of notes or something indicating that she was meeting with Scooter Libby well before his testimony had said (and possibly her testimony). Ooops!

We've all been batting alternate history theories around of what really happened with Judy's testimony and notes.
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http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_firedoglake_archive.html#112895241980966212

As far as Plamegate and the illegal Iraqi War, it is one and the same. Niger documents !
Bolton and the other neo-cons are trying to accomplish as much of their sick agenda as possible and hoping they won't loose power.
Fitzgerald is amazing from everything we have read about him and his style. I think it has a huge ripple effect that spreads far and wide hopefully taking them down.
Marilyn

"Bolton’s office was responsible for the placement of the Niger uranium claims in the State Department’s December 2002 “fact sheet” on Iraq’s WMD program; claims that have since been exposed as baseless."



The reason is straightforward. According to reports from MSNBC, John Bolton has testified to the grand jury investigating the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Not only is it possible that Bolton may have lied about this testimony in a questionnaire he filled out for his confirmation hearing, but the linkage to the Plame affair places Bolton, yet again, into a scenario in which intelligence was doctored for the sake of political gain. In fact, according to an investigation by the State Department Inspector General, Bolton’s office was responsible for the placement of the Niger uranium claims in the State Department’s December 2002 “fact sheet” on Iraq’s WMD program; claims that have since been exposed as baseless.



From Bolton's Abscess Appointment by Don Kraus and Sam Stein

July 29, 2005
Link:http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050729/boltons_abscess_appointment.php
Shifting Blame for the Iraq WMD Fiasco
by
Timothy Naftali
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/timothy-naftali/shifting-blame-for-the-ir_4846.html

Investigator of CIA leak seen as relentless
By Judy Keen, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — When defense attorney Ron Safer heard that Patrick Fitzgerald would lead an inquiry into the leak of a CIA operative's name, his first thought was that, from the Bush administration's perspective, "they could not have picked a worse person."
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-10-fitzgerald_x.htm
October 10, 2005

The Plame/CIA leak case is getting what all good scandals need: props.

We now have the "missing notebook" and the "missing email." The "missing notebook," as several news reports noted at the end of last week, belongs to New York Times reporter Judith Miller and reportedly contains notes of a conversation regarding former Ambassador Joseph Wilson that she had with Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on June 25, 2003. The date is intriguing, for this is weeks before Wilson published his now famous New York Times op-ed piece (in which he revealed that after traveling to Niger for the CIA he had concluded that the allegation that Iraq had been uranium shopping there was dubious). And, of course, this was weeks before Robert Novak wrote a column outing Wilson's wife as an undercover CIA officer. So why were the two discussing Wilson at that point? Why did this notebook go missing within the paper's Washington bureau? Who found it? Miller or someone else? Why won't the Times explain to its readers how it came to be discovered? What do the notes in this notebook say?

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More:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=28125

Comment #48: Marilyn Conner said on 10/11/05 @ 5:14pm ET...

Scooter Libby.....

WHITE HOUSE
Libby Did Not Tell Grand Jury About Key Conversation
By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2005

In two appearances before the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a covert CIA operative's name, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Cheney, did not disclose a crucial conversation that he had with New York Times reporter Judith Miller in June 2003 about the operative, Valerie Plame, according to sources with firsthand knowledge of his sworn testimony.

The new revelations regarding Libby come as Fitzgerald has indicated that he is wrapping up his investigation and making final decisions as to whether criminal charges will be brought in the case.

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Much more at the link:
http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1011nj1.htm#

Who is Scooter Libby?

The Guy Behind the Guy Behind the Guy

by John Lyman
July 8, 2004

When historians finally lift the curtain on the Bush administration, they will discover that Irv Lewis "Scooter" Libby was one of the most important men pulling the levers. Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, has been center stage for every one of the administration's national security scandals – the Iraq intelligence debacle, secret meetings about Halliburton contracts in Iraq, and the leaking of a CIA's agent's identity to the press – and doubtless others we have not heard of yet.

Such a role is not unusual for Libby, who has more titles in the Bush White House than can fit on a business card. Essentially Libby is Dick Cheney's Dick Cheney – an odd combination of H.R Haldeman and Harry Hopkins, seemingly managing every detail of the vice president's professional life.

For the past three years, that has meant scooting from scandal to scandal.

It was Libby – along with Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and a handful of other top aides at the Pentagon and White House – who convinced the President that we should go to war in Iraq. It was Libby who pushed Cheney to publicly argue that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda and 9/11.

It was also Libby who pleaded and prodded for Secretary of State Colin Powell to include specious reports about an alleged meeting between 9/11 terrorist Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence official in his February 2003 speech to the United Nations. Libby and his staff reportedly badgered Powell's speechwriters for weeks, culminating in a meeting where Libby presented information that, according to those who were there, was over the top and too aggressive.

The so-called evidence unraveled when intelligence analysts examined it later. As one official told the Washington Post, "After one day of hearing screams about who put this together. . . we essentially threw it out." Undeterred, Libby continued to try to press his agenda – going so far as calling and demanding Powell's staff include new information late in the evening the night before the secretary was scheduled to give his speech.

A junior member of "The Vulcans" – the name Bush's core national security team of Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz et al. have come up with for themselves – Libby is an aging star and an ideological soulmate of the group.
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MORE:
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=109719

Comment #49: Genghis Khan said on 10/11/05 @ 8:39pm ET...

Number6:

Please do me a favor and read this carefully.

;<;a href="http://yourURLgoeshere";>;textofyourlink;<;/a;>;

Remove the semicolons (";") and you have a properly crafted HTML hyperlink.

Happy to help.
(ps: "be seeing you!")

Comment #50: number6 said on 10/11/05 @ 10:25pm ET...

#49 Thank you!
I been having a h@ll of a time with HTML!!!

Be seeing you!

Comment #51: noguns said on 10/16/05 @ 3:49pm ET...

the bannings are a sad statement of where things are going as a few you banned have been good teachers and present more that is vital info than that is all that offensive ...

but then again ... i am an old rainbow gathering woman, and we tend to "cover the full spectrum of ideas at all times" ....

so though the info is now shrinking at least Rep. Conyers is "trying" and we can see what ways he is moving next.
noguns sheehan