Thank you, once again, from the bottom of my heart. I'll be at the hearing with you in spirit.
I echo the above sentiments. We love you, Rep. Conyers!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. Conyers. I am awed by your courage and tenacity. You make me proud to be American. My family and I support you 100%.
Please watch the "9/11 Omission Hearings" chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney.
They will make you cry, but they will remind you what this is all about.
The 9/11 Omission Hearings
Amazing. Thank you for your unbelievable efforts Representive!
Good luck tomorrow, by the end of the day we will all be more enlightened.
It is easier to find a score of men wise enough to discover the truth than to find one intrepid enough, in the face of opposition, to stand up for it. --A.A. Hodge
Mr. Conyer's you truly kick ass.
Congrats Mr. Conyers
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Mr. Conyers...
I want to say thank you for what you're doing tomorrow.
For too long have we had to deal with the grief, the sorrow, the hopelessness, and the anger. Oh, the anger...
I can only speak for myself, but it is VERY frustrating to see what's going on, and not have the power to do anything about it.
I wish you the best of luck tomorrow. What you're doing is for our families, our friends, and our futures.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Gold
Conyers! Keep giving the enemies of America more hope that you are on their side!
You are a aged old rust bucket that should have retired years ago!
Tomorrow you will have cost more Americans their lives. Congrats.
Hank... Tim... can you tell me why we're in Iraq?
You always hear people use the excuse, "What can I do, I'm just one person." You are a prime example of what one person can do. Good Luck!!!
Hank... why are we in Iraq?
Rep. Conyers,
Thank you so much for bringing this important memo to the attention of the American people. Truth is our greatest weapon against tyranny.
Mr. Conyers,
We all thank you for your sustained efforts and un-waivering integrity. Tomorrow will be a historic day for which YOU and at least 500,000 other people should be proud. I know that I'm proud to be a signature on that list (even if they do put me on a 'no-fly' list).
Yeah... it is pretty cool to be apart of that list...
Dear Mr. Conyers,
You make me proud to be an American. Good luck tomorrow, and thank you for reminding the rest of the pols what democracy is about. You're my hero!!!
Love,
Rachel
Thank you Mr. Conyers. As the niece of a former P.O.W, Sister of 2 vietnam vets, aunt of a recently returned Iraq war veteran, wife of a severly disabled veteran and mother of a teen aged son who longs for the day he too can serve his country as his uncles and father have, I have to say: YOU ROCK!!!! I also wonder what Hank and Tim are doing on this blog. Their country needs them in Iraq.
Dear Rep. Conyers,
Our humble thanks for speaking for the VOICELESS and forgotten. We at clubkiss2000.com will be broadcasting this historic event live on the net.
We have faith in you, Sir!
Sincerely
JD
Clubkiss2000.com
It's 9:00 PM Eastern 6/16/05.
Now what????????????
You just shot your wad on a BITCH session populated with some of the biggest America haters, whiners, and blamers we have each taking their 10 minutes to rant and rave about how terrible America is.
What do you think America will think of it on the morning of the 17th?
I think we know don't we? You are confirmed LUNATICS!
Rep. Conyers, the depth to which you are an awesome patriot is only matched by the degree of Hank's idiocy.
I am extremely proud to be part of this - and know it is just the beginning.
THANK YOU.
Wow, sorry. I forgot to take my meds earlier. I've taken them now. Good job Conyers.
It's 9:00 PM Eastern 6/16/05.
Now what????????????
You just shot your wad on a BITCH session populated with some of the biggest America haters, whiners, and blamers we have each taking their 10 minutes to rant and rave about how terrible America is.
What do you think America will think of it on the morning of the 17th?
I think we know don't we? You are confirmed LUNATICS!
Dear Mr. Conyers,
How many signatures are on the list? Reps and citizens. Also, thanks!!!
Slow down, Hank. You're gonna get an ulcer !
After all, you really are expending a lot of energy over something so inconsequential ...
What are you SO worried about ?
btw, you're performance is sagging. You barely made the top 10 this time. What will you say to your bosses ?
Hank ... outta gas already ?
"Cut & Paste" Hank strikes again !
Thank you Rep. Conyers!! I'm with you 100%.
Yo, jimmo, so much for this going away last week. I told you it had legs. Once again, goodnight to you!
Thank You! Mr. Conyers. You have to be doing something right, to make some of these people as mad as they are. I appreciate the opportunity to play a small part in this.
Don't you doofuses do anything but sit on here and worship conyers? Get a life.
God bless you Congressman Conyers. I can't wait till tomorrow! Thank you again for all your hard work and being the best! XOXO!
Hank - just how are you going to "rip into" we the people who signed the petition ?
Could you specify the nature of your threat ?
people don't feed these trolls. They are shaking in their boots and have been showing up here with the express purpose of distrupting the momentum.
We all know they are much too yellow to be over in Iraq.
Chickenshit, war groupies every last one of them.
Hank, are you so lonely that your best option is attempting to communicate at the 9-year old level with people who have long ago decided you are irrelevant and infantile ?
Talk about get a life !
I have another question. I read somewhere that Conyers staff are checking to make sure that the list doesn't have fake names, double posts, people who don't want to be on there, etc. I read that they are checking e-mail addresses, names, IP addresses, etc. Anyone have any info on that?
You've posted more today than I have. Don't be smart with me.
But hank... we were told the reasons we're going in was because of connections to 9/11, connections to Al-Qaeda, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.
That is what we were told...
So if those three things are in fact not true...
Then why are we in Iraq?
Because Saddam:
Violated the terms of his 1991 Surrender.
Did you know that the original Gulf War was based on lies as well? Did you know that the U.S. ok'ed his invasion into Kuwait and then turned their backs on him? Did you know that the Kuwait Ambassador's daughter was trained professionally to tell the nation in tears that "babies were being thrown from incubators... I believe 500 incubators was the amount. 500 incubators for 3million people. Los Angeles County has 14million people, and they only have 50 incubators. Does Iraq specialize in premature babies?
Do say that he violated the terms of his surrender when all of that violence could have been avoided to begin with by just telling Saddam NO is absolutely absurd.
Broke 17 UN resolutions with impunity.
What are those 17 UN resolutions?
Was trying to kill our Air Force pilots every single day as they attempted to enforce UN resolutions and protect the Kurds and others that Saddam was intent on murdering.
Did you know that we increased our military bombardments to entice Saddam into engaging prior to the war? So that he would be seen as the aggressor, and not us? Is that the protection you're referring to?
According to the Darfur report, was intent on breaking the sanctions and rebuilding his WMD programs.
Ok, but he didn't have any.
Was paying bombers in Palestine to kill Israelis.
And what have the Israelis done lately? You know that they had some involvement in 9/11, right? I'm Jewish, so for me to say that is pertinent. Remember, Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. We don't agree with the actions of our Government, and I'm sure that the Israelis don't like the actions of theirs.
Was supporting terrorists groups in Northern Iraq by allowing them refuge.
Saddam couldn't control the people in those territories. If he could, he would have a LONG time ago.
Was intent on eliminating the Kurds as a people.
We're intent on eliminating the Muslims as a people.
Even after his 1991 loss was unwilling to declare that Iraq had no rights to Kuwait and refused to return Kuwaitis he had kidnapped and goods he had stolen in his 1991 invasion.
You want to talk about people being kidnapped, and goods being stolen by the people in the White House?
Need MORE MORON!!!
No, I've made my point.
Hank is just a brainwashed idiot. His idolatry worship of Faux news bears witness to this. He probably believes that he gets "facts" from them.
Why are we in Iraq Hank? Your previous answer was pathetic in the least.
Idiot Hank, did you see what one of your idols that you worship said abut Hussain in the 80's?
Your demi-god limbaugh was incensed about the "liberal hate speech" which occured in protest against your Reich wing party leader supplying chemical weaponry to Hussain. His words: "So he ALLEGEDLY gassed a few kurds.."
You are an extremly evil man Hank. You have the blood of thousands of innocent people on your hands because you ALLOWED yourself to worship these propagandists as Gods. I bet you pretend to be a pious Christian as well. You aren't fit to wipe the butt of a real Christian.
Every one of your reasons for war are not valid. So we must invade every country that breaks a UN resolution? I thought you reich worshippers hated the UN.. Oh I forgot, its just propaganda..
Hank, you are a true traitor.
Word up Xman.
Sorry if you think I'm engaging too much, but I think you'll find that the record shows that when he is countered he fades quicker than when he is ignored.
I also think that the right-wing needs to be learn that we're willing to stand up.
I believe that JC does, too.
Out with this thought: WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SO SCARED OF ?
Hank is a low-life loser who has nothing better to do then come to a left-wing blog and post his crap instead of doing something productive. Sad really.
Even some of the right wing shills are saying that Hannity gets his propaganda material from the reich wing talking points.
Wow...Hank #31 tried to answer the question of why we're in Iraq. Unfortunately, none of the reasons he gave match the "reason" that Bush provided to Congress...all of the reasons that Hank provided do not constitute a legal basis for war - hence the need for Bush to mislead Congress...(I wonder if his advisors informed him that it is a federal crime to mislead Congress)
but that's how the Repugs work - when one lie doesn't work anymore they shift to the next...
My wife could kick your rear end in.
In post #38, Hank, you threatened petition signers with retribution.
Would you care to be specific as to the nature of that threat ?
No, Hank, I don't want you to go to Iraq to "save" me.
I am under no personal threat from the predictable civil war / local + foreign suicide bombers over there.
Which kind of gets to the point, don't you think ?
Your propaganda idols are wrong again. The signatures are real.
#55, Mike the record doesn't show that. The record shows the discussion goes completely off topic.I mean look at the board.
You are dealing with two deeply pathetic crack pots. Why even give them the time of day? You don't come off to well arguing with people like this.
Mine is very real.
What is the nature of your threat against petition signers ?
What is that YOU are going to do, specifically ?
these are the words of g.w. bush. our president :
"they(dems)stand for nothing, and follow the agenda of the road block".
"Their leadership perfers to block the ideas of others"
"we hear NO to making tax relief permanent"
"we hear NO to social security reform"
"we hear NO to confirming judges"
"we hear NO to a highly qualified U.N. ambassador"
"on issue after issue, they stand for nothing except obstruction and this is NOT leadership. it is the philosophy of the stop sign, the agenda of the roadblock"
These are the real words spoken by the leader of the free world.!
As if we the people, have no REASON or right to object to his "cultish" ideas.
To the U.N. and in front of the world itself, this administration argued for war because of two reasons.
1. weapons of mass destruction
2. connection to al-keida
NO WEAPONS!
NO CONNECTION!
OUR CHILDREN DIE! NOT THEIRS!
ENOUGH ALREADY! IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!
HE WON'T EVEN ANSWER QUESTIONS!
LET THE TRUTH BE HEARD THROUGH RIGOROUS QUESTIONING (and demanding CLEAR answers) UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH.,FEEL THE TRUTH AND KNOW THE TRUTH TOGETHER AS ONE NATION.
MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT TO YOU SENATOR CONYERS. THANK YOU
Hank has been hanging around the blogs since election day and long before that. Will he ever learn?
Conyers, it's good to see some Democrats really take charge and be genuinely excited about standing up to the gang in the Whitehouse. Good luck sir.
OK Xman - I'm outta here.
Bye Hank !
ME CONYERS YOU HAVE MY TOTAL SUPPORT IN THIS. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TRUTH TO THIS ADMINSTRATION AND FOR STANDING UP FOR JUSTICE IN AMERICA. YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT AND AN INSPIRATION.
Roger, that is the point EXACTLY. What right wing organization EVER has tolerated opposition? right wing is dead set against democracy.
Glad you two are republicans,running scared are ya?*JOHN CONYERS*stands for truth and hard work,something the two of you don'thave a clue about.Now get off your lazy asses and sign up for your mans WAR!!!
Great work, Rep. Conyers!! The media finally wakes up! And I hear some Republicans are anxious to get the truth out also!! I hope you get some rest, and can't wait to hear what the important news is.
I feel so sad that it took this long, and so many deaths, to begin to get the truth out.
Thank you for all you do!
Yeah we're real scared. Pffft. You guy's are cowards. If you weren't you'd be in Iraq. Why should I be running scared from cowards?
Why would anyone go to Iraq for? To murder Muslims Hank, no thanks we let you traitors to America do that. Murder for oil? No thanks. We leave that up to traitors like you Hank.
Let's see. First, you PROMISED Enron would cause his impeachment, then Haliburton, then the War in Afghanistan, then the War in Iraq, then Abu Gharab, then the election, then Jeff Gannon, then Downing Street.......etc. etc. Who's in the White House? BUSH
Anyone who thinks like Hank does, has no ability to think rationally.
Which part of IRAQ WAS NO THREAT do you not get Hank? You traitor.
Or was the murder for oil the real reason. I believe it was to create the threat that Right Wingers like Hank NEED.
#78, Jackie, Thanks for listing your president's shining achievements, I'm sure your proud.
The war in Afghanistan was justified. THe was in Iraq was just the murder of innocent people. But I guess that is what the reich wing wants.
As long as they have their threat. That is all that matters.
Traitors to all that America stands for. Jackie, Tim and Hank.
The troops are following orders. The Troops are also made up with Dems as well as republicans.
The Uber leader is the murderer as well as the shill supporters such as you.
Jackie, get your traitorous murderous ass out of here. Its your reich that are the murderers. We want our troops to RETURN, and not stay there to do the Reich's bidding.
Rep. Conyers, You make me proud everyday. Thank You for what you are doing for this country. I am so proud that you are my rep. Just keep going like you have been. You have shown that there are still some representatives that care and are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. You have brought back the feeling that there is still hope that our government can get back on the right track. Thank You!
Oh Jackie, that might just be because of the facts over 100,000 Iraqis were killed? Over 2000 troops, and Iraqi children in an illegal war?
I don't know...How about the fact it was illegal, and under every circumstance lied before the congress?
How about the fact there was nothing moral about it. That could be just one little eency, teency reason they're talking....
Doug
Who spends money and time justifying Iraq is a murderer and a traitor to America.
Home ALIVE. The right wing doesn't care.
Congratulations, Mr. Conyers!
Tomorrow is going to be a great day.
The panicking voice of the opposition that is evidenced right here on your blog should be nothing more than motivation for you.
When President Bush dodges the questions you have posed *this time* at least there will be a public record of his avoidance.
Remember, in his own words, "You can run, but you cannot hide."
Well, hide no longer, Mr. Bush, We the People have demanded that you answer us.
How long will it take you?
Go on and smoke 'em out, Congressman!
Yeeeeeeeeeeee haw!!
Mr. Conyers,
Thank you for standing up for what America was supposed to be, rather than what it has become. Few of our elected officials have the integrity to stand up and support the constitution, though they take an oath that they will, and they take the paychecks we give them to do so.
You say that you hope Thursday makes us very proud. I'm already proud. This is a fine moment...the finest I can think of in a long number of years. (It's also a moment that is politically charged enough that we'll have to be watching for backlash. These people have shown, time after time, that they have no compunction about hurting those who threaten them or put a kink in their agenda.)
The truth has been obvious for years; thank you for making it obvious to ever more folks. Without that truth, or as much of it as we can drag out of the public record, we're all lost.
Best to you,
jeff white
Tom DeLay/Fake Hank, maybe you should take a look at this if you think that the troops were doing their patriotic duty.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8234762/site/newsweek/
The fact is they were following orders, following orders and lies from an illegal superpower.
One that's been doing this for some time called and referred to as "PNAC"....
" March 8, 2002, secret "options" paper prepared by Prime Minister Tony Blair's top national-security aides also stated that intelligence on Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was "poor." While noting that Saddam had used such weapons in the past and could do so again "if his regime were threatened," the options paper concluded "there is no greater threat now than in recent years that Saddam will use WMD."
The options paper was written just one month before Blair met with President Bush in Crawford, Texas. According to another leaked internal memo, Blair agreed at the meeting to support a U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam’s regime provided that “certain conditions” were met. Those conditions, according to the newly leaked memo, were that efforts be made to “construct a coalition” and “shape” public opinion; that the Israeli-Palestinian crisis was “quiescent,” and that attempts to eliminate Iraqi WMD through the return of United Nations weapons inspectors be exhausted.
The British documents are becoming something of a cause celebre among Capitol Hill Democrats and other critics of the Iraq war who see them as evidence that the Bush administration had privately committed to an invasion far earlier than it has publicly acknowledged—and then “fixed” the intelligence about Iraq to justify the policy."
There's no more ruse here Tommy, the time's coming down to the end of the wire. No more smokes. Only the truth. The truth will prevail, and the lies will fall for good.
Doug E.
Hello Mr. Conyers,
I wanted to thank you for your courage in the face of such blatant abuse of power. I know that telling the truth isn't exactly thought highly of in this society we have created, but we need it anyway.
So many people are willing to twist and sway with every lie given by this administration, that we have seriously jeopardized our republic. I thank you and hope that the rest of us may have the courage and wisdom to persue the truth as you have.
We were lied to and manipulated into war. Anyone who does not open their eyes and see the atrocities commited by this administration is no friend to freedom or democracy.
THank you again, Mr. Conyers. May all of our fellow Americans stand together to demand that this administration tell us the truth!
I very much want to pray for Cindy Sheehan, Mom of fallen soldier, and let her know that even if she does not say a word tomorrow , she is a tower of strength for going to the Hearing heard 'round the world on June 16th, 2005. God bless all the Families of their Beloved Fallen Soldiers.
A sincere thanks to the Gentleman from Michigan.
Rally the troops...we've got ourselves a pResident to Impeach.
Some of you might look a bit more credible and a little less immature if you would wait until all the facts are in and all the questions are answered before you actually call for impeachment. You look like you're on a witch hunt.
And what of the other memos surfacing after the President commits to this version of reality?
There are more momos. The bloggers will be relentless.
More memos . . . more memos . . . they will not stop.
Who in DoD will cut a deal first with the special counsel? Will you be last in your work center to have a defense? Will you get caught holding the bag?
More memos . . . how closely are you connected to them in OSD and the E-ring . . . ?
More memos . . . wave, after wave, never ending. Can you in the B-ring keep up with what they're doing before they change the combinations to your office?
Comment #101: Christine said on 6/15/05 @ 9:32pm ET...
Sen. Conyers, Thank you from my heart for looking out for the country that I love so dearly. My prayers will be with you. Thank you for representing the people. Some day Hank and Tim will get it. I'll pray for them too :)
Comment #102: Kathy said on 6/15/05 @ 9:33pm ET...
Representatative Conyers--
I'm going to be hanging on every word tomorrow. Thank you for leading this fight for the truth.
I was so angry when I heard about the new meeting room "policy" yesterday I called my senator and my representative from Minnesota and I wrote Sensenbrenner and I copied many news editors.
This abuse of power must be stopped.
Thanks for your courageous stand on behalf of all of us. We're all in this together and we will be there for as long as it takes.
You're all going to do great tomorrow!
Comment #103: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:33pm ET...
mike
I told you JC would not bring people actually at the "dsm" meeting to testify. What a hack this JC is. There is no interest in truth involved with these hearings. Do you even want the truth JC? If you did, Mr. Deerlove and Mr. Rycroft might have something relevent to say about the fixing facts quote you are all in a tissy about. Instead, we get a bush hating liar, a "renowned" lawyer, a distraught mother, and a guy who briefed Reagan. Wow. JC is going to find the truth somehow, just you watch. What an ass.
Comment #104: Witch hunt said on 6/15/05 @ 9:33pm ET...
Gina, no one is on a witch hunt. We want the president to answer the questions. If everything is above board, then the right-wingers have nothing to worry about have they? If the right wing continues the traditional right wing approach of not allowing opposition or democracy to run its course, then there is obviously a smoking gun.
All we want is a hearing and the questions truthfully answered.
Comment #105: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 9:35pm ET...
I hope that's true Witch Hunt, but some of the above comments don't reflect that sentiment in the least.
Comment #106: mavericksHMB said on 6/15/05 @ 9:35pm ET...
Congressman Conyers, THANK YOU for your patriotism, bravery, and speaking truth to power. For those of us who cannot be in DC tomorrow, know that we are with you in spirit. I'm proud to be among the over 500,000 signatories!
Comment #107: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 9:36pm ET...
WHy are you reich wingers do afraid then?
Comment #108: To Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 9:37pm ET...
Gina
I think people are just REALLY angry. They have just cause to be so. Let them let off steam. Its harmless in a blog forum.
Comment #109: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 9:38pm ET...
I suppose. I'll be glad when this is settled, yet I fear it may never be no matter the outcome.
Comment #110: To Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 9:41pm ET...
At least we won't be giving the usual right wing follower response of "well, we didn't really know..."
Comment #111: Another Doug said on 6/15/05 @ 9:42pm ET...
TO: All the Hanks
RE: Fake Names on the petition
You wanna talk about fake lists?
What about the scam Katherine Harris and DBT pulled off with bouncing 58,000 names from the state voter rolls?
What about later on independant, verification of the list found it to be 95% inaccurate?
And as for Rep. Conyers' petition, it shouldn't even be neccesary in the first place. The president should be willing the answer to congress when 90+ Congressmen ask for for one.
Let's not forget that Clinton's refusal to answer questions of the then minority Republican side of Congress led to his eventual impeachment by the House.
The questions must be answered. I signed the petition, and I am a Proud and Patriotic American Citizen. Along with 540,000 others, I demand access and answers, _ONE_ person is all it SHOULD take to get these questions answered
I would suggest that it's not the questions you fear, Hank, but the answers.
Also, can't help but notice you didnt answer Dr. Gold's questions.... afraid of the questions, or the answers there?
-Doug
Comment #112: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 9:42pm ET...
I have two questions:
1) Is Conyers talking about DSM when he states that he has some very exciting news?
2) Is anyone getting tired of Larry King Live? It seems like the most worthless show ever televised. He kisses every ones butt and there is no substance at all. And I never see a mention of DSM on CNN.
Comment #113: Christine said on 6/15/05 @ 9:42pm ET...
It's not a witch hunt Gina....we are waiting on an impeachment...that's what happens when a president lies about reasons for taking our country to war, when he lies and we lose 1,700 troops and tens of thousands of Iraq's who did not have WMD's or welcome us with flowers...the facts are already out. Haven't you read them?
Comment #114: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:43pm ET...
I am not afraid. I want a real hearing without bush-haters as witnesses. What is JC afraid of? Why ask liar Joe to testify and not Richard Deerlove and Mathew Rycroft? The only logical answer is that JC does not care about really getting to the bottom of the "dsm" Why else would he not ask the only people who could speak authoritively about the minutes as they are the ones who spoke and wrote the words?
Comment #115: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 9:44pm ET...
And of course to navm and his reich-wing...
How about a former CIA informant, and members who were actually a part of writing it?
How about real officials who sat by while this happened?
And how about the officials from the highest level of britain, being called to authenticate, answer....Yes, those "officials"..
I guess you soon forgot all of that inconvenient truth on account of your obstruction. Doesn't surprise me. But don't wag the dog then.
Doug E.
Comment #116: Doug Again said on 6/15/05 @ 9:45pm ET...
Oops, sorry... thought I saw a Dr. on your name... guess it's just Meeester Gold.
Comment #117: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 9:45pm ET...
Sorry Nvanm.
We support democracy on this blog. If you don't, then go back to your propaganda. We aren't interested.
Comment #118: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 9:45pm ET...
Another Doug: On the previous blog entry there was a person, I think it was Mary Beth, she was inquiring about nearly 50 names added to Mr. Conyers' letter that were added without the permission of the people and wanted them removed. I hope the signatures are being verified so that the intent of the letter is kept intact.
Comment #119: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:45pm ET...
I think doug's been drinking? What the hell are you talking about?
Comment #120: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 9:46pm ET...
Hey republicans why did we go to Iraq? Was Iraq capable of splitting the atom and using that power as a weapon?
Comment #121: Constant said on 6/15/05 @ 9:46pm ET...
DSM: The Senate speaks out about the President's consolidation of power.
What will the Senate learn tomorrow?
Will the outrage unite the Congress against the Tyrant?
The House has already refused to give him the Patriot Act. Does Bush have a chance to avoid being tried for war crimes . . . ?
. . . or is there yet another wave of memos on the way . . .
We will be relentless . . .
Comment #122: Connie said on 6/15/05 @ 9:46pm ET...
Mr. Conyers, you ROCK sir and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Comment #123: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:48pm ET...
Call ne nazi all you want. JC is still a hack with no interest in truth. Call real witnesses JC. What are you afraid of?
Comment #124: Fair and balanced said on 6/15/05 @ 9:49pm ET...
I wonder how many real republicans enjoy being bullied by these Christianity-by-force thugs?
Comment #125: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 9:49pm ET...
nvanm,
Ofcourse you are afraid. Why else would you be talking on the forum of a liberal politicians website?
Good luck nvanm. I challenge you to a debate on substance anytime.
Comment #126: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:50pm ET...
Allright dave i will start. Why is JC not asking the actual persons present at the meeting to testify?
Comment #127: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 9:53pm ET...
nvanm. Which part of this did you not get: "This site is for supporters of democracy". Please go to one of the blogs of your propaganda gods. Your opinion is worth nothing here. All you guys want is totalitarian rule with no opposition. Your "I am right because you are wrong" attitude doesn't cut it. You have to at least have some intellectual capacity to be taken seriously. You have none or at least have exhibited none so far. If you can contribute to real debate, please stay and do so, if not, your repeats of what your propaganda shills say is just plain stupid.
Comment #128: ANGIE BOUGHTON said on 6/15/05 @ 9:53pm ET...
Thank you Congressman, you are a God send in the mist of all this insanity.
Americans can never repay you for all you've done for us.
Thank you and God Bless you.
Comment #129: Another Doug said on 6/15/05 @ 9:54pm ET...
Nvanm:
You want a REAL hearing? SO DO WE...
Why don't you write to your Congressional leaders and ask them for one. The dems all want it, the reps dont...
WHY NOT?
Why Won't the republicans give us a Bi-Partisan hearing?
I can only think of 3 reasons
1- Shear incompetence
2- Fear of what might come of those hearings.
3- Systemic corruption
Can you offer an alternative?
Why can't we have a _REAL_ and _VALID_ i.e. ON THE RECORD hearing about the contents of the DSM?
Why can't we have a hearing that has supeona power?
Why not call witnesses from both sides?
Why not give "President" Bush the opportunity to speak for himself?
The dems are 100% willing, and lacking _ANY_ support from the republican side have taken then inititive to defend Democracy and hold their own hearings.
You're welcome to attend.
-Doug
Comment #130: LOL nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:55pm ET...
Do you think Blair and Bush will testify? LOLLLLLLLL. Try again. I heard that crap on the Rush Limbaugh show. Try to be original
Comment #131: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 9:55pm ET...
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Since when does democracy mean that i cannot express my opinion or ask questions of JC in a public forum?
Comment #132: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 9:56pm ET...
Because that isn't YOUR opinion. You are just repeating your shills.
Comment #133: Jack D Wood said on 6/15/05 @ 9:56pm ET...
Please do us people on the West Coast a favor and when you publish the time for a hearing that you include Pacific Time. Or, if you insist at least put Eastern time on the notices. Out here we don't assume that everything revolves around Eastern Time. Thanks.
And good luck tomorrow. I'll certainly be watching.
Comment #134: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 9:57pm ET...
Why do you want to stop the investigation? Why not just listen and see what happens tomorrow?
Comment #135: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 10:00pm ET...
nvanm,
Is that a fact? If this is a fact I'm not sure I care, I want to debate the substance of the DSM issue. Answer this opening question: Was Iraq capable of splitting the atom and using that power as a weapon?
Comment #136: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:02pm ET...
Who cares what room you are using? Invite Mr. Deerlove and Mr. Rycroft to testify. Ask them these simple questions:
1. Did Mr Deerlove say "fixing the facts"
2. If not, why did Mr. Rycroft write those words?
3. If he did, what did he mean by "fixing the facts"
4. What Bush officials gave you the impression that they were fixing facts?
5. Did Bush officials say they were fixing facts?
This is not that hard. The room doesnt matter but witnesses and tesitmony do. Inviting liar joe instead of the men mentioned shows JC to have no interest in truth.
Comment #137: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:03pm ET...
I will answer your question when you answer mine dave.
Comment #138: Tommymac said on 6/15/05 @ 10:03pm ET...
Thank You Mr Conyers.
"Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."
Thomas Paine
US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
Godspeed tomorrow.
Comment #139: ANGIE BOUGHTON said on 6/15/05 @ 10:04pm ET...
I think old Hanks a riot. I bet he's on the FBI and Secret Service watch list.
I wonder if he's related to the Phelps family in Kansas. He has that street corner mentality.
Comment #140: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 10:05pm ET...
Which Limbaugh show did you get that from?
Why not talk after the hearing? This one is not going away nvanm. Your press tried to keep it quiet. Too bad Murdoch doesn't own the internet or you reich wings would have squashed all opposition. Sieg Heil nvanm
Comment #141: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:06pm ET...
6/15/05 results:
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,722,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 2,016,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,864,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,563,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,277,000
CNN AARON BROWN 751,000
CNN ZAHN 718,000
CNN COOPER 618,000
CNNHN NANCY GRACE 583,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 459,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 330,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 325,000
MSNBC TUCKER CARLSON** 231,000
So much for your liberal lies CONyers!
Comment #142: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 10:06pm ET...
Joe Liar? WHich shill coined that phrase for you nvanm?
I guess the earth is still flat too.
Comment #143: hank the traitor said on 6/15/05 @ 10:07pm ET...
LOL!!!!
Hank. RIGHT off the faux news press!
Comment #144: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:08pm ET...
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Liar joe is just to easy considering he was proven by the US senate to be a liar.
Instead of bringing your obsession with rush into this, why not try to answer the question?
Comment #145: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 10:09pm ET...
Now you don't even know how to respond to Doug when he buries your head in the ground. Apparently, you can't address who you're speaking to since there's more than one doug.
But just to remind him, these are the facts I'm speaking from according to the Witness list:
"In this streaming video clip adapted from the documentary
"Hijacking Catastrophe," Pentagon whistleblower Lt. Col.
Karen Kwiatkowski and Daniel Ellsberg reveal the conditions
that produced the Downing Street memo:
http://hijackingcatastrophe.org/downingstreet
Joe Wilson, Former Ambassador and WMD Expert;
Ray McGovern, 27-year CIA analyst who prepared regular Presidential briefings during the Reagan administration;
Cindy Sheehan, mother of fallen American soldier;
John Bonifaz, renowned constitutional lawyer and co-founder of AfterDowningStreet.org.
Among those speaking at the rally will be:
Congressman John Conyers (schedule permitting);
Congresswoman Barbara Lee (schedule permitting);
Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey (schedule permitting);
Congressman Maurice Hinchey (schedule permitting);
Cindy Sheehan, Co-Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace;
John Bonifaz, Co-Founder of AfterDowningStreet.org;
Medea Benjamin, Co-Founder of Global Exchange;
Stephen Cleghorn, Member of Military Families Speak Out;
Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Board Member of Progressive Democrats of America;
Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst;
Reg Keys, Member of Military Families Against the War, challenger to Tony Blair in last election (flying in from UK);
William Rivers Pitt, Reporter for Progressive Democrats of America;
Leslie Cagan, National Coordinator of United for Peace and Justice;
Kevin Zeese, Director of Democracy Rising "
Yes, these people surely don't know how to address the questions of the meetings--Even though they were involved several of them...
Accountability is coming, and someone's taking it away from topic.
Doug E.
Comment #146: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 10:09pm ET...
nvanm,
I don't know the answer to your question. I also don't know if this is a fact. But I will assume this is a fact. I also don't know where you are going with your question. Go ahead and give me your take, but make an honest assessment (no BS).
Comment #147: hank the traitor said on 6/15/05 @ 10:09pm ET...
Something like your Limbaugh being outraged at the "liberal hate speech" for not going along with supplying Saddam with chemical weaponry Hank?
You are a murderer Hank.
Comment #148: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:14pm ET...
BY JAMES TARANTO
Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:11 p.m. EDT
Durbin Supports the Troops ? ?
Sen. Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, took the Senate floor yesterday and likened American servicemen to Nazis (link in PDF):
"hen you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here [at Guantanamo Bay]--I almost hesitate to put them in the [Congressional] Record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:
On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. . . . On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
YOU MORONIC ENEMY ENABLERS LIKE CONYERS AND ALL:
We are fighting an enemy that murdered 3,000 innocent people on American soil 3 1/2 years ago and would murder millions more if given the chance--and according to Dick Durbin, our soldiers are the Nazis.
Comment #149: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:16pm ET...
It's 9:00 PM Eastern 6/16/05.
Now what????????????
You just shot your wad on a BITCH session populated with some of the biggest America haters, whiners, and blamers we have each taking their 10 minutes to rant and rave about how terrible America is.
What do you think America will think of it on the morning of the 17th?
I think we know don't we? You are confirmed LUNATICS!
Comment #150: Ron said on 6/15/05 @ 10:17pm ET...
Remember "follow the money". The story was that Saddam was allowed to survive Desert Storm because certain administration folks would have taken a financial bath if he had been taken. Check to see if a deal was struck between Saddam and Halliburton and its affiliates. Check to see if Halliburton, et al, was doublecrossed by Saddam. Did we not have to avenge that doublecross? The rumor is the Russians were also doublecrossed by Saddam. That could explain why they stood by on the sidelines. This all sounds too far out, doesn't it? Maybe Hank knows the answers.
Comment #151: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:17pm ET...
Read JC's post there dave. He lists his witnesses. I am assuming you have read the dsm. None of the people listed by JC as witnesses or even as attendees were in england meeting with the british the day the meeting took place as evidenced by their names not being listed in the minutes.
The only logical reason for bringing witnesses who could have no possible idea what went on in that meeting and what facts were fixed is that JC wants a show for JC. In a court of law, there is something known as relevent testimony. The current witnesses cannot have relevent testimony as they were not there. No court would allow testimony concerning what happened at any meeting from persons not present at the meeting nor should they. Why is JC doing this?
Comment #152: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 10:17pm ET...
nvanm: I doubt Mr. Conyers will respond to you as he is most likely getting beauty sleep at this hour. He is scheduled for an early morning live call-in show tomorrow though on C-Span at 7am. Maybe give him a call there and ask your questions? Good luck.
Comment #153: CNN Reported on DSM Earlier Today said on 6/15/05 @ 10:17pm ET...
Here is the transcript from Lou Dobbs Tonite that aired earlier today includes interview with our own Mr. Conyers!!!... Go Johnny Go Go Go!!!!!
Coming up, debating the Downing Street Memo. The U.S. and Britain says it's not significant, but the question of whether the U.S. misled the world on Iraq will be front and center in Congress tomorrow. We'll have a preview of that debate.
Plus, uncertain times in the housing market are making for desperate homeowners. Bill Tucker reports on a real life housing soap opera.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PILGRIM: Did President Bush mislead Congress about our reasons for invading Iraq? Well, a document known as the Downing Street Memo is raising that theory again on Capitol Hill, and raising new questions among lawmakers about why we went to war.
Bill Schneider reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST (voice-over): Six weeks ago, the "London Sunday Times" published leaked minutes of a July, 2002 meeting in the Downing Street offices of British prime minister Tony Blair eight months before the war in Iraq.
According to the notes, a high-ranking British intelligence official who had just returned from Washington reported "Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
The implication? The Bush administration had already decided to go to war before asking for a vote of Congress, before going to the United Nations.
At their June 7 press conference, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair addressed the issues raised by the memo.
TONY BLAIR, PRIME MINISTER OF BRITAIN: But the facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Somebody said, well, you know, we had made up our mind to go -- to use military force to deal with Saddam. There's nothing farther from the truth.
SCHNEIDER: End of debate? Not if Democratic Congressman John Conyers can help it. He's holding a forum Thursday to look into the allegations. What does Conyers hope to prove?
REP. JOHN CONYERS, (D) MICHIGAN: It may turn out that we got into a secret war that had already been planned and now that we're in it, we can't get out of it.
SCHNEIDER: There were a lot of reports during the summer of 2002 that the Bush administration was I be tent on going to war. What's so sensational about the allegations of the British documents?
CONYERS: Ironically, there are those now writing that we knew he was going to go to war all the time. But if we -- those who claimed that they knew that, he wasn't telling the Congress that. And it's in this crucible that we get the question of deception. Did he deceive us into a war? Were we tricked in a war?
SCHNEIDER: The difference is, the mood of the country. In June, 2002, 61 percent of Americans favored sending U.S. troops to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Now only 42 percent say it was worth going to war in Iraq. That's why questions about how the U.S. got into the war are being raised now. More than they were then.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCHNEIDER: Representative Conyers is planning to present the White House with a petition signed by more than 500,000 Americans. And 104 members of Congress asking President Bush to address the issues raised by the Downing Street Memo. This issue is heating up -- Kitty.
PILGRIM: All right. Thanks very much. Bill Schneider.
Comment #154: Hank the lazy said on 6/15/05 @ 10:18pm ET...
Hank, that is an extremist, much like your Santorum who threatened to have the government create laws to "control our desires for us, seeing as we cannot control them ourselves".
YOu are a traitor Hank. Through and through. Iraq was NO threat. We are not fighting an enemy who killed 3000 Americans. Iraqis did not. Per your argument, killing thousands and thousands of innocent iraqis makes you feel better about 911. You are a sick murderous bastard Hank.
Comment #155: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 10:19pm ET...
Tom DeLay/Fake Hank brought back the resolution yet again.
That he is indeed correct, and actually looks more sane for pointing out the fact those troops and their captains are Nazis.
No decent human would be subjecting anyone, to those kind of tortures, even if they had committed tortures. No one, except war criminals who absolve to make everything as "safe" as the laws of the governed.
What was seen there was absolutely horrendous, and Duncan and other republicans spoke out against it. There is no exscuse for illegal behavior.
Comment #156: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:20pm ET...
Among those speaking at the rally will be:
Congressman John Conyers Congresswoman Barbara Lee
Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey Congressman Maurice Hinchey
Cindy Sheehan
john Bonifaz
Medea Benjamin
Stephen Cleghorn
Rev. Lennox Yearwood
Ray McGovern
William Rivers Pitt
Leslie Cagan
Kevin Zeese
NOTICE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE IS A LEFT WING SOCIALIST AMERICAN HATING MILITARY HATING LUNATIC. YOU EXPECT AN OUNCE OF CREDIBILITY WITH THIS AMERICA HATING GROUP?
YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE SANE PERSON SPEAKING TOMORROW! THE MEDIA IS GOING TO BE LAUGHING ITS HEAD OFF!
THE CONYERS HEARINGS ARE NOTHIG BUT A BITCH SESSION FOR A HANDFULL OF ATTENTION SEEKING ENEMY ENABLING AMERICA HATING LUNATICS!
Comment #157: HANKS LITTLE BROTHER said on 6/15/05 @ 10:21pm ET...
Among those speaking at the rally will be:
Congressman John Conyers Congresswoman Barbara Lee
Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey Congressman Maurice Hinchey
Cindy Sheehan
john Bonifaz
Medea Benjamin
Stephen Cleghorn
Rev. Lennox Yearwood
Ray McGovern
William Rivers Pitt
Leslie Cagan
Kevin Zeese
NOTICE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE IS A LEFT WING SOCIALIST AMERICAN HATING MILITARY HATING LUNATIC. YOU EXPECT AN OUNCE OF CREDIBILITY WITH THIS AMERICA HATING GROUP?
YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE SANE PERSON SPEAKING TOMORROW! THE MEDIA IS GOING TO BE LAUGHING ITS HEAD OFF!
THE CONYERS HEARINGS ARE NOTHING BUT A BITCH SESSION FOR A HANDFULL OF ATTENTION SEEKING ENEMY ENABLING AMERICA HATING LUNATICS!
Comment #158: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:22pm ET...
doug e
"oh no. not genie in a bottle again. please get the girls away from me. hey you touched by koran. evil infidel. "
Official transcripts of terrorists being "tortured" by christina's screaching and girls touching them, not to mention muzzled dogs.
Comment #159: Hank the traitor said on 6/15/05 @ 10:23pm ET...
Hank YOU are the real America hater. Since when did America stand for attacking innocent people? Since when did America stand for deliberately creating a 'threat' designed to keep a reich wing govt in power?
Again, you evade. WHAT THREAT WAS IRAQ TO US??? you murderous traitor.
THe right wing is intent on leading this country into a civil war again.
You are a T R A I T O R Hank. Or you are just extremely stupid.
Comment #160: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:23pm ET...
WHERE IS SENATOR KERRY WITH HIS SENATORS THAT YOU SAID HE WAS ROUNDING UP?
OH, HE LIED TO YOU ALSO?
AHHAAHAHAHA
Comment #161: Hank , Santorum and nvanm are secret lovers said on 6/15/05 @ 10:25pm ET...
Which of the 100000 Iraqis were aiming nukes at you? Which of the 3000 victims (victims of the reich wing refusing to acknowledge Bin Laden as a credible threat) were killed by the Iraqis? MORONS
Comment #162: Come on now said on 6/15/05 @ 10:25pm ET...
Give it a rest, #158. Get some sleep, you're becoming incoherent. There's always tomorrow . . .
Comment #163: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:25pm ET...
Among those speaking at the rally will be:
Congressman John Conyers
Congresswoman Barbara Lee
Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey
Congressman Maurice Hinchey
Cindy Sheehan
john Bonifaz
Medea Benjamin
Stephen Cleghorn
Rev. Lennox Yearwood
Ray McGovern
William Wivers Pitt THE 14TH
Leslie Cagan
Kevin Zeese
NOTICE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE IS A LEFT WING SOCIALIST AMERICAN HATING MILITARY HATING LUNATIC. YOU EXPECT AN OUNCE OF CREDIBILITY WITH THIS AMERICA HATING GROUP?
YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE SANE PERSON SPEAKING TOMORROW! THE MEDIA IS GOING TO BE LAUGHING ITS HEAD OFF!
THE CONYERS HEARINGS ARE NOTHING BUT A BITCH SESSION FOR A HANDFULL OF ATTENTION SEEKING ENEMY ENABLING AMERICA HATING LUNATICS!
Comment #164: littlelark said on 6/15/05 @ 10:26pm ET...
Congressman Conyers, you are a TRUE American Patriot! Thank you soo much for not letting this TREASON perpetrated by the POTUS get 'disappeared"!!
PS - Ignore 'Hank' sounds like he needs another fix of Meth.
Comment #165: HANK said on 6/15/05 @ 10:26pm ET...
Because Saddam:
Violated the terms of his 1991 Surrender.
Broke 17 UN resolutions with impunity.
Was trying to kill our Air Force pilots every single day as they attempted to enforce UN resolutions and protect the Kurds and others that Saddam was intent on murdering.
According to the Darfur report, was intent on breaking the sanctions and rebuilding his WMD programs.
Was paying bombers in Palestine to kill Israelis.
Was supporting terrorists groups in Northern Iraq by allowing them refuge.
Was intent on eliminating the Kurds as a people.
Even after his 1991 loss was unwilling to declare that Iraq had no rights to Kuwait and refused to return Kuwaitis he had kidnapped and goods he had stolen in his 1991 invasion.
Need MORE MORONS!!!
Comment #166: Dave said on 6/15/05 @ 10:26pm ET...
nvanm,
I gave you an honest answer. "I don't know". I am not a lawyer. I want to discuss substance not law. There is a difference between justice and the law. So lets argue about the justice part. Maybe you are right but now it is your turn to start the substance debate by answering my first question? Or you can explain the substance of your first question. DSM is a meeting between Tony Blair and a top UK intelligence officer. The debate included this quote "The facts were being fixed around the policy". Tony Blair did not deny or confirm the authenticity of the memo. Let me know if any of this is wron nvanm.
Comment #167: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 10:26pm ET...
And of course fake hank and nvanm skip over and do not address the real fact: Those prisoners pulled their hair out, were forced to stay on extremely cold floors (less than 30 degrees in fact) and forced to defacate themselves, not eat properly, and be "humanely" beaten as well as sexually mollested.
Of course, none of that matters to someone following fascists. And of course lets not forget Ray McGovern and his officers are some of the longest running members of the CIA.
They are hundreds times more credible than anyone working in "the administration". And now they are also going to address questions to British officials, and get a straight answer.
Doug E.
Comment #168: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:27pm ET...
100000? Or do you mean somewhere between 100000 and 10000 Lay off the kool-aid there 161, it is seriously affecting your judgement.
Comment #169: Batty said on 6/15/05 @ 10:27pm ET...
Mr. Conyers,
I would LOVE it if you opened the hearing by saying something like this:
"Thank you all for coming. Before we get started, please allow me to apologize for squeezing you all into this small room, but the Majority Party would not allow us to use any of the rooms that are paid for by hard-working, tax-paying Americans."
Sir, whatever happens tomorrow ...
THANK YOU!!! YOU ARE A TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT AND I AM SO GRATEFUL TO YOU!!!
Comment #170: Colin said on 6/15/05 @ 10:28pm ET...
Thanks Mr Conyers can you please ensure that C-span records the event for replay for those of us outside the country and in the wrong time zone. Thanks and good luck I hope this is the start to the end of this madness
Comment #171: Hank the traitor said on 6/15/05 @ 10:28pm ET...
Hank are you senile? You said you were retired. It shows you know.
Comment #172: Mike said on 6/15/05 @ 10:29pm ET...
Americans are dying and losing limbs every single day in Iraq. I respect Mr. Conyers for doing this but in reality he is just doing his job. Since so many in congress and the media are lazy or afraid he looks like a hero by comparison.
So bravo for doing your job Mr. Conyers and shame on the members who think their allegiance is to a party or ideology and not the young people DYING in iraq. It makes me so angry that it is difficult to remain civil.
Comment #173: Colin said on 6/15/05 @ 10:30pm ET...
Thanks Mr Conyers can you please ensure that C-span records the event for replay for those of us outside the country and in the wrong time zone. Thanks and good luck I hope this is the start to the end of this madness
Comment #174: Come on now said on 6/15/05 @ 10:30pm ET...
You too, #165. We know you're tired when you do the cut-and-paste routine. You are getting sleeeepy . . .
Comment #175: Mike said on 6/15/05 @ 10:32pm ET...
Hank, I go away for hours, I come back, and you're pasting the same BS (post #165) you were when I left !
Maybe you really are retired.
Bored, uninspired, blind - but definitely not busy ... don't you have anything original to say?
C'mon - just for the fun of it - have an original sentiment that isn't a talking point.
Just for kicks ...
Comment #176: Mike said on 6/15/05 @ 10:35pm ET...
Rep. Conyers, HAVE A GREAT MEETING TOMORROW !
You are awesome, and the truth-seekers are 100 % in support mode.
Please post a downloadable transcript and movie file for us.
Many, many thanks.
Comment #177: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 10:35pm ET...
Pay attention Nvanm. Your reich likes to ignore the deaths in the bombings.
You don't have any judgement nvanm, or you wouldn;t be trying to stop a hearing. If an investigation shows your leaders to be as clean as whistles, wouldn't you welcome it?
You guys wasted 87 million of our dollars to hound Clinton over Monica.
However, you won't allow a hearing on an important issue?
Oh yes, I forgot. The republican party is the party of "we need to control what you do in the bedroom" party.
The bedroom police force. Now THAT would be an appropriate use of our tax dollars.
We are ENTITLED to a hearing. Whether or not you right wingers like it. WE PAY OUR TAXES. yes, all $200 billion of it. We send our sons to war. Is anyone in YOUR family there ?
Comment #178: Santorum said on 6/15/05 @ 10:37pm ET...
Hank Again:
WHICH OF THE IRAQIS YOU MURDERED ORGANIZED AND EXECUTED 911? WHAT THREAT DID THEY POSE?
You are indeed a murderous traitor.
Comment #179: Patriot - aka Mary said on 6/15/05 @ 10:38pm ET...
Here ya go, Hank. Served up on a platter:
The Decline of Dubya
Comment #180: Fair and balanced said on 6/15/05 @ 10:40pm ET...
Bush Democracy:
Boys come first: Hungry Afghan girls wait for the boys to finish before they are permitted to have lunch at the Aschiana Center for street children in Kabul.h
Comment #181: Marilyn Conner said on 6/15/05 @ 10:42pm ET...
Congressman Conyers,
Thank you very much. The piece on CNN was great today and DemocracyNow! was outstanding. Must say you have a great way with words ! All of my family and I are so proud of your efforts for the truth to be exposed. We stand with you and we are looking forward to tomorrow and to a future again.
Please eat well and try to rest.
Comment #182: Vicki T. said on 6/15/05 @ 10:47pm ET...
Dearest Mr. Conyers,
It was an honor to help you in the defence of our Democracy! It was amazing how fast it took off when it had some push. Thanks for all the encouragement at the beginning, it helped to carry on the campaign.
You are an incredible human being and a true American Patriot!
Salute!!!
Comment #183: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:49pm ET...
Dave
“I don’t know.” I am shocked by the lack of interest you seem to show about the relevance or truthfulness of testimony to come from JC's sham tomorrow. It does not matter what tony blair says, or even what GWB has to say, about the memo. The only two people whose words matter here are Deerlove and Rycroft. The point being, JC is asking the wrong people, the wrong questions. How does one investigate something? Do you ask people who can only make educated guesses to prove the case, or, do you ask witnesses present when “the crime” was committed to prove your case? Now why would JC not do this? Again the only logical answer is JC wants publicity for JC. Sham hearings with fake witnesses will not bring you the impeachment you so desire.
To answer your earlier question, no it does not appear to be true that Iraq was nuclear capable at the time of the US invasion.
Question 2.
The following action would have been better than invading Iraq:
1. Let inspectors finish inspecting, even though they were being impeded by saddam in their investigations, no wmd found, stop all sanctions and allow saddam to run his whole country again (what do we do when he starts killing his citizens again?)
2. Drop inspection demands; let saddam run Iraq (again what do we do when he starts killing his citizens again?)
3. Please feel free to add an option if you want. Remember, anything that allows saddam to remain in power is sentencing the citizens of Iraq to perpetual and brutal oppression. Please do not tell me saddam had nothing to do with the planning or helping the terrorists plan 9/11, as I am already aware of that fact.
Comment #184: Pat said on 6/15/05 @ 10:50pm ET...
Thank You very much Congressman Conyers. Keep on fighting for truth and justice. I won't be at the hearings or the rally, but i'll be there with you in spirit and my signature will be among those you deliver the the White House.
Comment #185: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 10:52pm ET...
And you're wrong yet again nvanm, unsurprisingly. Conyers will be asking britain intelligence directly and also Karen. The resolution of inquiry is just that, the first hearings.
Doug
Comment #186: Kevin said on 6/15/05 @ 10:52pm ET...
Thank you Mr. Conyers! You are a true American. We are all proud of you for really upholding the Constitution.
Comment #187: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 10:53pm ET...
LOLLLL... nvanm. Which part of the THERE WERE NO WMD's IN IRAQ did you not get?
Your reich is almost on a par with Saddam in killing iraqis.
Your reich wing supplies the chems that Saddam used to gas the Kurds.
Oh, I guess the iraqi families that lost family members to Bush's war will just LOVE Americans.
Nvanm, you and your ilk are responsible for the next attack on this country. You have created MILLIONS of potential terrorists.
Comment #188: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:54pm ET...
177
I am not trying to stop any hearing. I want JC to get real answers not listen to testimony from liar joe or others who cannot have anything to say that is relevant to the dsm. Why are you intent on holding hearings that will get no answers?
Comment #189: Mike said on 6/15/05 @ 10:55pm ET...
Hey, wait - I apologize - Hank did say something original:
"THE MEDIA IS GOING TO BE LAUGHING ITS HEAD OFF!" (Post #163)
Tomorrow I'll publish the Top 10 Most Utterly Hilarious and/or Preposterous Things that Hank has said. It's going to be tough deciding, for sure, but the above will rank pretty highly.
I'm sure Faux News will find some way to belittle it, but Hank - I got news for you:
It was Shrub and his cronies (inlcuding you) who were laughing a few weeks ago.
Now you are reduced to chuckling when Sensenbrenner says we can't have his playpen.
Har - de - har - har.
We'll see you down the road a bit, Hank. We'll see you down the road ...
Comment #190: Rose said on 6/15/05 @ 10:56pm ET...
Sir, thank you! You are a true hero to me. I just read about the planned oil pipeline from northern Iraq across Jordan and finally to Iseral. I can imagine the outrage throughout this region if this happens - withstanding the unstability in the region. We do have to stop this administration from its grand plans or we won't have a nation. Surely, you have taken the first steps to "taking our country back." It is heartening to know that more than 500,000 people signed your petition. God bless you, sir and may tomorrow be remembered as a day of true freedom for all of us.
Rose
Comment #191: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 10:56pm ET...
Did anyone here say they love Saddam? I think not. You are just making that up. We are saying that we HATE this WAR that was based on a lie.
SO are we going after Mugabe next? He is murdering his citizens. So why not?
Comment #192: Pfc Chickenhank said on 6/15/05 @ 10:56pm ET...
#76 (hank) SAID:
Yeah we're real scared. Pffft. You guy's are cowards. If you weren't you'd be in Iraq. Why should I be running scared from cowards?
FRIGHTENED REPLY:
Please do not hurt me, sir hank sir. I can send you the whole list of people who've signed the petition. Just tell me where to send it.
Sir, hank, sir, your user name is printed in red, like every brave person who gives an email address, but when I clicked it to send you the list of names, it had been desecrated by some coward who put nonsense letters instead of your legit email address.
I cower before you, sir, hank, sir. Please be my steady leader in times of change, and tell me your legit email address.
Comment #193: To chickenhank said on 6/15/05 @ 10:59pm ET...
Hank is senile
Comment #194: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 10:59pm ET...
191
Perhaps you could show me where i said anyone here loves saddam? I said no such thing.
Comment #195: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:01pm ET...
nvanm also acknowledged that there were no WMD. Why belittle him for saying there were?
Comment #196: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:02pm ET...
gina
because most (not all) here cannot stand a dissenting opinion among them.
Comment #197: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:03pm ET...
I can understand someone getting frustrated for a disagreement but for crying out loud, at least one should argue what's being said! lol
Comment #198: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 11:03pm ET...
I have a better idea. Let's just create another THREAT. We know the right wing can't survive without a threat.
So when does your reich order the invasion of Iran?
On another note. Why do right wing terrorists not get the same treatment as any other terrorist?
Bomb and kill in Atlanta - Strike a deal with the terrorist.
Send Anthrax to Dems and left wing - Don't bother, just pretend to look for them
Comment #199: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:05pm ET...
nvanm,
Ray McGovern also worked for the Reagan Administration. He's seen everything come and go regarding intelligence, and was literally fired by this one.
I'm pretty sure he as well will know just what he's talking about and where the questions go.
Comment #200: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:05pm ET...
There already is a threat. It's called Islamofascism. But I wouldn't want to threadjack and take away from the all-important DSM, now would I?
Comment #201: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/15/05 @ 11:06pm ET...
Nvanm we WILL have a hearing. so get over it. We don;t need your or your shill's permission. Your reich may have tried to squash all opposition, but we will organize.
Comment #202: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:07pm ET...
doug e
Ray was not in the dsm meeting, therefore, has no clue as to what was said and by whom at the meeting, and could have no relevant testimony as to the dsm quotes. really doug. this is not that hard.
Comment #203: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:08pm ET...
Is that similar to Christian-fascism? A la Santorum, Robertson, et al? Or just like the bomber in atlanta who go away with terrorism. So what you are saying, is that we are entitled to murder all muslims? Do you just hate the religion, or all non-christians
Comment #204: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:09pm ET...
No we aren't entitled to kill "all" of anything. Only those whose stated goal is to kill Americans. Seems like it's in our best interest. :)
Comment #205: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:09pm ET...
Gina
JC and his friends are unaware of the Islamofacist threat and what it wants to do to the western world.
Comment #206: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:09pm ET...
Wasn't it O' REALLY who coined the islamofascism phrase? Wow, what a surprise you get your "facts" from the shills
Comment #207: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:11pm ET...
"Was not even there" nav? You show your blissful ignorance for history.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backstory_Confirming_the_Downing_Street_0614.html
The man was basically there when they were even discussing it in Washington!! He didn't have to be in Britain, given that he was working with Pentagon officials who were taking "out" saddom.
Please, and also they are going to question british officials as well. Just because they don't fly out from around the world, doesn't mean they aren't going to call in and do serious questioning.
Comment #208: lisa said on 6/15/05 @ 11:12pm ET...
Rise like lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number! Shake your chains to earth, like dew. Which in sleep had fallen on you- Ye are many; they are few! -Shelly
Thank you for being our voices!
Comment #209: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:12pm ET...
idiot rw
I am struggling to recall when Senator Santorum suggested flying planes into buildings in order to make a political point/start a war, could you offer a source for that assertion? and pat robertson is an ass.
Comment #210: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:13pm ET...
Sorry to burst your bubble Idiot (right winger) but I don't have cable tv so I don't watch goofy Bill O. I read Osama's "Open Letter" from the Guardian online where he makes it quite clear why he wants to kill the people of the United States.
Comment #211: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:13pm ET...
Sorry Nvanm
We refuse to kill all muslims, just because you say so.
So which of the Iraqis fell into that category?
LOL, so you think non right wingers are impressed with your threat propaganda. here is a quote from your hero Goring:
Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.
* Hermann Göring, Reich Marshal, at the Nuremberg Trials
Oh dear, I guess that's JC.
Comment #212: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:14pm ET...
Doug you're pretty dense aren't you. The dsm meeting was in britain, the fixing facts quote came from a british intel figure, are you really this stupid?
Comment #213: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:16pm ET...
Idiot (right winger) please read what's being said and try to follow along would you?
Comment #214: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:16pm ET...
I didnt say JC had no patriotism. I did however accuse him of being a media whore and will stand by that until he holds hearings with relevant witnesses rather than shams with liar joe.
Comment #215: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:17pm ET...
No seriously, are you this inept? The meetings took place in britain, but all the staged conferences were in "washington" were they not?
Who was first to find out about this interesting turn of events? Paul O'Neil.
Who in the CIA was there when the whole WMD fallout, possible bogus intel event happened? George Tenet.
Who was with them? Oh thats right, Ray McGovern before he was relieved from duty. Right before all of them were purged.
Comment #216: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:17pm ET...
SO the Guardian said Osama was hiding in Iraq? Is THAT why we attacked them?
Sorry Gina, you too are just brainwashed.
Santorum is the one who wants the government to institute sex police. He is also the one who wants to ban the birth control pill, Santorum is totally against democracy you brainwashed fool. Go and look up what he stands for and who he is.
I guess you agree that we should put all gays and lesbians to death.
Oh I guess then that Christofascism is ok.
Comment #217: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:19pm ET...
No Idiot (right winger) that's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Guardian had an "Open Letter" from Osama in which he stated his case for why he wants to kill the people of the United States. Sheesh. Kudos JC for finding the dim bulbs.
Comment #218: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:19pm ET...
Amazing how the red states looks just like the slave states.
Nvanm, I agree with you on that point. However, what politician from either party isn't a media whore?
Comment #219: Steve said on 6/15/05 @ 11:20pm ET...
Congressman Conyers,
You are a great American. Thank you!
Comment #220: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:21pm ET...
Gee Idiot (right winger). I'm in Michigan. I sure wish we were a red state. :)
Comment #221: Gwyneth said on 6/15/05 @ 11:22pm ET...
Thanks again Rep.Conyers for all your hard work. We will be with you in spirit tomorrow. Gwyneth
Comment #222: Hank the Republican Shill said on 6/15/05 @ 11:23pm ET...
Most Americans are on to Bush's scam Hank. Your disinformation campaign to disseminate Republican talking points is fooling no one.
The Bush family are a bunch of ghoulish war profiteers, going all the way back to Nazi financier and banker Prescott Bush.
Comment #223: Colin said on 6/15/05 @ 11:23pm ET...
Hey 165 next time you count the number of resolutions do a count on that other terrorist country and occupier of other peoples land Your good friend Israel Take a look at the record.
Israel
UN Resolutions violated, ignored: 68
Countries attacked, invaded, violated: Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia
Countries occupied for years: Egypt, Lebanon, Syria
Countries currently occupying: Syria
Territory illegally annexed: Golan Heights, Jerusalem, Palestinian Territories
Wars started: 1956, 1967, 1982
Possesses weapons of mass destruction: Yes
Possesses nuclear weapons: Yes
Most notable atrocity against civilians: 17,500 Lebanese civilians killed in 1982 invasion of Lebanon
Currently under a regime of UN sanctions: No
IRAQ
UN Resolutions violated, ignored: 16
Countries attacked, invaded, violated: Iran, Kuwait
Countries occupied for years: NONE
Countries currently occupying: NONE
Territory illegally annexed: NONE
Wars started: 1980, 1990
Possesses weapons of mass destruction: To be determined
Possesses nuclear weapons: No
Most notable atrocity against civilians: 5,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in the village of Halabja, March 1988
Currently under a regime of UN sanctions: Yes
Comment #224: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:24pm ET...
Talking about dim bulbs. Gina what exactly is your point? That it is OK to kill Iraqis because they are muslim or because Osama was there? You are missing the point completely. So Osama writes a letter. Therefore no hearing on why Bush lied to create a war/threat.
Talking of Osama. Just what are the successes of your reich on catching him? He is still marshalling and creating terrorists. Still no lead on the Anthrax terrorist. The Atlanta Bomber gets a deal from the Reich wing (what a surprise).
The are more terror attacks world wide than EVER before. So what exactly have you Reich wingers done other than actually CREATE terrorists?
Comment #225: Markus said on 6/15/05 @ 11:25pm ET...
Comment #136: nvanm
Your questions are A) obvious, B) repetitive and C) were already dodged when Blair and Bush held that "press conference."
Since you haven't been paying attention, the purpose of this petition is to urge President Bush to answer questions that Mr. Conyers posed to him back in May. Not only hasn't President Bush answered them, but, as has been proven time and time again, he and his people are doing everything they can to silence the Democratic minority on the Hill. The purpose of this hearing is to shed light on any continuity irregularities between the description of events according to these weakly challenged memos, and what Mr. Bush told the American public.
Are you so hungry for war that this is an unreasonable inquiry for you and your partisan friends?
These are the questions at hand:
1) Do you or anyone in your administration dispute the accuracy of the leaked document?
2) Were arrangements being made, including the recruitment of allies, before you sought Congressional authorization to go to war? Did you or anyone in your Administration obtain Britain's commitment to invade prior to this time?
3) Was there an effort to create an ultimatum about weapons inspectors in order to help with the justification for the war as the minutes indicate?
4) At what point in time did you and Prime Minister Blair first agree it was necessary to invade Iraq?
5) Was there a coordinated effort with the U.S. intelligence community and/or British officials to "fix" the intelligence and facts around the policy as the leaked document states?
Since President Bush won't answer them, why don't any of you who are in opposition to these proceedings give it a whack?
While you're at it, why don't you answer this one, too: since no one on either side of the pond has denied that the Downing Street Minutes are genuine, and since neither man has anything to hide, why haven't Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush come forward on their own to address the concerns of the public?
They have had ample opportunity to do so.
And, when backed into a corner at the press conference, they behaved in a deflective manner.
Let's not forget how much crap you good folks gave Clinton for doing the same thing.
The only difference is that Democrats didn't apologize for Clinton, we wanted him held responsible, too.
So, there you have it.
Answer Mr. Conyers' questions since Mr. Bush is above acknowledging the people he's supposed to be working with.
You know who's making this a big deal issue?
Mr. Bush, and Mr. Blair because of their avoidance of it.
Don't be foolish.
Comment #226: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:25pm ET...
doug e
Paul O'neil? Come on doug, you can do better than a guy who was fired by the President for inability to perform his job. (his job by the way, was to implement admin policy, not run to cnn because someone was mean to him)
You can hang on to ray as your saviour of you want. If dsm and other memos are really the issue here, calling people who did not write them and were not present at the meetings they cover, is not the way to find truth. It is for liar joe and JC to show off to cameras and hopefully get a sound bite. Is this really how you people plan to run an investigation? No wonder it took deep throat and not the democrats to bring down Nixon.
Comment #227: Good Colin said on 6/15/05 @ 11:26pm ET...
Lets attack Israel next!!! Perhaps that will bring on the rapture!!!
Comment #228: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:26pm ET...
Idiot (right winger) my point is that you are unable to follow a conversation.
Comment #229: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:28pm ET...
Rep. Walter Jones prepares co-sponsored legislation calling for the truth about the meeting that got the U.S.A. involved in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050615/ids_photos_ts/r1798248179.jpg/print
Mr. Conyers,
Have you seen to inviting Jones for the hearing?
We can do with more voices.
Comment #230: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:29pm ET...
No Gina
You are unable to convince anyone that your point is valid. This discussion is about the DSM hearings.
What does an Osama letter have to do with your not wanting a hearing or trying to block a hearing.
I think you have a very low IQ.
Comment #231: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:31pm ET...
Idiot (rw) you brought up that right wingers need a threat in order to survive and I merely stated that there already is one. You challenged that and I proved there is one. Whether or not you accept that is your perrogative. Everything else you said was a bunch of baloney and false statements about what myself or nvanm said. Go back to talking about hank, he seems more your type. :)
Comment #232: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:32pm ET...
markus
it is the responsibility of those bringing charges to show their evidence. JC should ask these questions because no one will pay attention untill you have someone saying under oath that bush was fixing facts. Liar joe is not going to do it for you. Tony and George also have nothing to do with this. If JC asks relevant questions of Mr. Deerlove and Mr. Rycroft, do you not think the "investigation" might move to a point where Tony and George are forced to answer those questions? Again, liar joe's testimony is not going to get this done. Why is JC afraid of relevant witnesses?
Comment #233: ljm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:32pm ET...
I'm proud of the work you are doing Mr. Conyers. I'm also proud of the republican congressman co-sponsoring a request to get the truth on the DSM.
Comment #234: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:32pm ET...
Typical of Right Wing Propaganda. Deflect the facts and try to twist and steer the attention away.
They always make these really strange linkages.
No one here is a fan of ANY religious fascism, whether it is Christian or Muslim.
So why is Osama still free? And why are there more terror attacks than ever before?
Comment #235: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:34pm ET...
Maybe if all of America was on the same side it would help a bit.
Comment #236: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:35pm ET...
nvanm,
You summarily underestimate the importance of having a carefully trodded investigation.
Paul O'Neil isn't some moonbat, he's a conservative who was fired for doing his job. For doing his JOB, and has since proven that he was not incompetent.
There are lots of questions about that. Ray McGovern knows the answers because he was at the Hill. He knows many things about this ordeal.
A resolution of inquiry is just that, to first inquire and find out the exact policies. Conyers and so on can inquire into any policy, by Dearlove, or any British official after they get answers directly from these persons. Then that is when the case is declared.
Doug
Comment #237: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:35pm ET...
Nvanm
So we should not have a hearing? Is that the real reason for your 'visit' here? There has to be an initial hearing. Bush has already refused to answer.
Why not have this conversation later, once the hearings have taken place? What are you so afraid of (or rather your shills are afraid of)
Comment #238: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:37pm ET...
That is a revolutionary concept to most of the left Gina. Don't forget, America is the worst place on earth if you are a leftist. Free speach that you dont agree with. Patriotism. Some of those evil Americans even believe in G-d.
Comment #239: Kitty Gambler said on 6/15/05 @ 11:38pm ET...
#198 -
It's a mystery why Mr. Christian Family Values has never declared war on internet porn. I wonder how many of his radical evangelical supporters like internet porn just the way it is, including the gay male escort ads with Jeff Gannon.
Comment #240: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:38pm ET...
I know nvanm, it's a sad state of affairs. It seems like we have a long way to go before we find peace in this country.
Comment #241: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:39pm ET...
Sorry Gina
Many if us are not just war-mongers for the sake of Christian fascism
Comment #242: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:40pm ET...
Idiot right-winger,
You're not helping on matters. Cool down the rhetoric. There is no reason to talk about Osama Bin Laden, that's a distraction.
Remember the focus is all on the DSM, DSM, DSM....Everything that happened, was allowed to pass, came to be.
Comment #243: Markus said on 6/15/05 @ 11:40pm ET...
Comment #232: nvanm
Mr. Conyers is not formally bringing charges, that is the purpose of the hearing: to see if an inquiry is warranted.
As to the authors of the memo, the memo wouldn't even be relevant if the US hadn't involved the UK in the first place, therefore it is upon the US to answer for the allegations and actions described in the Downing Minutes.
Why is Mr. Bush afraid of answering these questions posed to him back in May?
Comment #244: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:40pm ET...
Idiot (rw) please don't make any assumptions about me. You don't know me and your "talking points" only prove to me that this country is as divided as ever.
Comment #245: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:40pm ET...
Proving that IRW cant read, i did not say there should be no hearing. I said that the hearing should be relevant, with relevant witnesses to the meetings in question. Have this conversation now before JC makes it immpossible to hold hearings later due to the moonbat factor that will be applied to these hearings because of liar joe's presence.
Comment #246: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:43pm ET...
Cindy Sheenan too, God bless her. She has no business at this meeting as a speaker. If this is supposed to be about legality of war all her presence will do is muddy the waters.
Comment #247: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:44pm ET...
"Liar Joe" is a right-wing meme. Joe Wilson has worked in Washington and was actually part of the "policies", when they were deciding the evidence on Iraq.
Joe is also a somewhere to the left conservative like Paul O'Neil, and he did not agree with the administration. He was fired not for being crazy, but for actually doing his job.
Right-wingers have failed to catch on to that point yet since they followed right-wing rag Washington Times.
Comment #248: Markus said on 6/15/05 @ 11:45pm ET...
Comment #246: Gina
Cindy Sheenan too, God bless her. She has no business at this meeting as a speaker.
That I agree with, although I suspect she could be holding some sort of bombshell.
Comment #249: Idiot Right winger said on 6/15/05 @ 11:46pm ET...
Bullshit Nvanm
Don't question our patriotism because we dare not to agree with extreme right wing politics. Scroll back and read the Goring quote.
This kind of accusation may go down well in right wing talk radio shows. It is just downright hideous slander. Americans have the right to believe in and to not believe in God.
America is not the worst place on earth. Only your talk radio drums that into your head. We love our country. We do not and will not allow you right wingers to totally destroy this country!
America stood for greatness and the greater good of mankind. You guys have abused that. You guys are the real traitors.
Your radio shills are sending this country into a civil war. Do NOT believe that half of America will always idly sit by while you pretend to be such patriots. You are disgusting. You are twisting America to support war mongering.
And yes, most left wingers are Christians. Just not fascist Christians
Comment #250: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:46pm ET...
markus
I do not know what charges you are refering to.
I am not George Bush, nor do I have a direct line to ask him questions. JC has provided me a place to do so here. Your response about the authors of these memos makes no sense. They are the only people relevant at this time. After they testify, if they give evidence against GWB, he will be compelled to answer. Untill then, all you have is a moonbat session with liar joe.
Comment #251: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:47pm ET...
Like talking to a wall...
Comment #252: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:48pm ET...
Cindy should absolutely be allowed to speak for the Gold Star Families, to get the testimony of the atrocities in Iraq in record. All of the families have lost their children and seen the horrors of the lies.
It would be the first time that anyone on the Hill gets this kind of first hand experience testimony, about the thousands of deaths it has cost. I applaud her.
Comment #253: To idiot Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:49pm ET...
Please do not blaspheme with your hate speech. God does not exclusively support right wing politics. Do NOT use God bless to uphold hate speech and war justification. That is truly disgusting.
Comment #254: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:49pm ET...
Doug "horrors of the lies"? No lies have been proven is the problem with your theory about Cindy.
Comment #255: Traitor Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:50pm ET...
The only wall is you Gina. Your mind is so brainwashed you cannot even think straight.
You are a true traitor to this country and the principals it once stood for.
Comment #256: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:51pm ET...
Mike shoosh.
Comment #257: Markus said on 6/15/05 @ 11:52pm ET...
Comment #250: nvanm
Your response about the authors of these memos makes no sense.
I respectfully disagree. If a full scale investigation is launched, then, yes, I am certain these men will become involved. This hearing, again, is about wether an inquiry should be launched. This petition is to get Mr. Bush to formally answer Mr. Conyers' questions posed to the President back in May.
What is so difficult to understand about this?
The authors of the DSM are irrelevant until formal charges are brought forth, and, I expect, that is what is making people nervous about this inquiry.
Comment #258: Traitor Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:53pm ET...
So what we should do then is hide Cindy away. Terrible to show these warmongers the truth of war isn't it? Lets hide ALL aspects of the war from the public.
GIna, wake up. Bush LIED. We went to war. YOur reich has created MILIONS of terrorists
Comment #259: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:53pm ET...
f-off winger.
Read some of the leftist heroes(lunatics) such as Chomsky. The core of the left wing is as anti-US as it gets. You show your ass when you write about nazis. If Bush was a nazi, and his supporters all were nazis, you would not be here. Off to the camps with you. Oh wait, you have not been dragged off and beaten by the gestapo? No gas chambers? No? I have never met someone so anxious to quote nazis as you are. Is there something we should know about you?
Comment #260: Markus said on 6/15/05 @ 11:53pm ET...
And as to "what charges" ... have you read the DSM? There are very serious allegations there that contradict everything Mr. Bush told us about getting into it with Iraq.
Comment #261: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:54pm ET...
Mike, if you prove that President Bush lied then by all means, make him pay and have every mother who lost her son call him every name in the book. Until then, you are not a judge nor a jury.
Comment #262: Traitor Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:55pm ET...
Markus
The point is that ALL opposition must be silenced. This is what these guys want.
Comment #263: Doug Eldritch said on 6/15/05 @ 11:55pm ET...
No lies?
"Regime change was illegal, and we were set to illegal"
They said that in 2002- Long before they said that war would be a last resort. The lies are right there in plain sight.
"Perjury" is different than lies. Anyone can commit to tell lies, and be on record in those lies later to contradict. Perjury on the other hand can only be done when proven, that someone had lied directly under oath about such policies.
In fact, it is right in line that Sheehan speaks here. Her representation shows those who are cold and callous, what the war has cost us. What it cost actual people living right here.
And finally, there is great precedence for making Bush address the questions first. If he goes on record, in public or not, and openly SAYS something that directly contradicts the facts--He could be held in perjury again. But he has to answer them first, before the next inquiry takes place by asking Britain.
America answers first and then comes Act 2. Conyers has even stated it repeatedly. America should always have to answer first, since they are who conducted this war. They are responsible.
Comment #264: nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:57pm ET...
Your petition of less than 1% of the citizens of the US is really impressive. No really.
Comment #265: Gina said on 6/15/05 @ 11:58pm ET...
Mike if you could read you would be able to comprehend that I am all for the hearings. What I am against is wasting time with things that may be perceived as "theories". Mr. Conyers is obviously free to conduct things how he sees fit.
Comment #266: Tratior Nvanm said on 6/15/05 @ 11:59pm ET...
Gow up nvanm. Your radio talk shows quot the most extreme of idiots and try to apss them off as main stream left wing. It doesn't wash here.
Bush is a nazi, as are you. Your reich is based on 'sound nazi' threat propaganda. If you don't know enough about the nazis to remember them, then you do not know your history and are even more stupid than you appear.
The analogies are DIRECT.
Comment #267: nvanm the brainwashed said on 6/16/05 @ 12:00am ET...
Oh Brilliant!!! Nvanm is a GENIUS!!!
WE need to stop this inquiry at VUNCE!!! SIEG HEIL!!!
Comment #268: Traitor Nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:01am ET...
500 000+ is not a trivial number for a petition.
Comment #269: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:02am ET...
There are no charges made in the dsm. The dsm are minutes of a British intel meeting. I would think you would know this. Charges come after investigations and prior to prosecutions there Markus. To get there, JC will need more than liar joe.
Comment #270: Gill said on 6/16/05 @ 12:03am ET...
Go mr. Conyers!!! Bring the troops HOME NOW!!!
Comment #271: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:03am ET...
This is Phase One nvanm. Mr. Conyers will need another 50 cents to play Phase Two. I think I smell another fund raiser!
Comment #272: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 12:04am ET...
And you Idiot-right winger you are acting as out of control as the right-wingers that are dispised.
You need to stop thinking everyone who does not agree is a fascist. It forwards nothing. There will always be obstructionist fascists, like false hank/Tom DeLay.
None of that matters with those who disagree with you. Everyone wants answers, so stay on topic and those answers will come. The far far left is as crazed as the far off right, and the fighting goes nowhere.
One more point, before anyone asks an official british officer it makes sense to ask the americans first since they've been screaming about it for some time. Just because it wasn't heard on the news, doesn't mean they haven't been raising the roof on the issue the WMD was not there. Those members have inside knowledge of utmost importance.
Inquiry, it starts then investigation and assignment of special counsel. I'm referring to the legal code of laws.
Comment #273: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:04am ET...
Excuse me, but nvanm is correct. Spewing baseless accusations about Nazism is irresponsible. We must try to keep our heads and deal with the issues at hand, please. I don't deny that the Right is power mad right now, but economic bounty is their agenda, not genocide.
Thank you.
Comment #274: Avon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:04am ET...
Thanks mr Conyers!!!! We will be listening!
Comment #275: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:06am ET...
Show me the money/cameras Gina. We all know that is what JC is all about.
Comment #276: Brian R said on 6/16/05 @ 12:06am ET...
Mr Conyers. At last someone with Cahoonies!!! Keep at it! Momentum is growing.
Comment #277: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:07am ET...
I'm in Michigan. This is embarassing to say the very least.
Comment #278: SharontheDem said on 6/16/05 @ 12:08am ET...
It's about time. Thanks mr Conyers. Don't listen to the detractors. It's time someone asked questions.
Comment #279: Jesus was the anti-Bush said on 6/16/05 @ 12:09am ET...
Sure the Bush administration did all they could to avoid war... F-in lying fascist
Group: Cheney Task Force Eyed on Iraq Oil
By H. Josef Hebert
Associated Press
July 18, 2003
Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force appeared to have some interest in early 2001 in Iraq's oil industry, including which foreign companies were pursuing business there, according to documents released Friday by a private watchdog group.
Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, obtained a batch of task force-related Commerce Department papers that included a detailed map of Iraq's oil fields, terminals and pipelines as well as a list entitled "Foreign Suitors of Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."
The papers also included a detailed map of oil fields and pipelines in Saudi Arabia and in the United Arab Emirates and a list of oil and gas development projects in those two countries.
The papers were dated early March 2001, about two months before the Cheney energy task force completed and announced its report on the administration's energy needs and future energy agenda.
Judicial Watch obtained the papers as part of a lawsuit by it and the Sierra Club to open to the public information used by the task force in developing President Bush's energy plan.
Tom Fitton, the group's president, said he had no way to guess what interest the task force had in the information, but "it shows why it is important that we learn what was going on in the task force."
"Opponents of the war are going to point to the documents as evidence that oil was on the minds of the Bush administration in the run-up to the war in Iraq," said Fitton. "Supporters will say they were only evaluating oil reserves in the Mideast, and the likelihood of future oil production."
The task force report was released in May 2001. In it, a chapter titled "Strengthening Global Alliances" calls the Middle East "central to world oil security" and urges support for initiatives by the region's oil producers to open their energy sectors to foreign investment. The chapter does not mention Iraq, which has the world's second largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia.
Commerce Department spokesman Trevor Francis said: "It is the responsibility of the Commerce Department to serve as a commercial liaison for U.S. companies doing business around the world, including those that develop and utilize energy resources. The Energy Task Force evaluated regions of the world that are vital to global energy supply. The final report, released in May of 2001, contains maps of key energy-producing regions in the world, including Russia, North America, the Middle East and the Caspian region."
A spokeswoman for the vice president did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment Friday. A two-page document obtained with the map and released by Judicial Watch lists, as of March 2001, companies in 30 countries that had an interest in contracts to help then-President Saddam Hussein develop Iraq's oil wealth.
The involvement of Russia and France has been documented. Also on the list were companies from Canada, Australia, China, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, India and Mexico. Even Vietnam had interest in a service contract and, according to the paper, was close to signing an agreement in October 1999.
So far nearly 40,000 pages of internal documents from various departments and agencies have been made public related to the Cheney task force's work under the Judicial Watch-Sierra Club lawsuit. The task force itself has refused to turn over any of its own papers.
Comment #280: Ohiodem1 said on 6/16/05 @ 12:09am ET...
I got a little bored by this thread. This one is under a full troll attack.
The 500,000+ signers (probably 600,000+ signers by now)can now see how pathetic the political base for the right wing is, they keep proving it again and again in this forum.
We will not be silenced. If you want to see the names on the list, the President will be fully capable of releasing them after the letter is presented to him. Go ahead, demand that the President release it.
My name is on it.
Comment #281: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:09am ET...
Fine then, if you want to nitpick my language, then the allegations that the US had begun "spikes of activity" long before even approaching the UN, that the UK was complicit in arranging a presentation to the public of both countries for an excuse to go to war, and that Bush had allegedly made up his mind no matter what the UK decided to do is what the DSM presents, and this inquiry is an attempt to get to the bottom of some of this.
Formal charges will be brought, I am almost positive.
Comment #282: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 12:09am ET...
And one more time, nobody is required to donate to anything. Unlike the "republicans" donations are optional and come from public support.
Rarely if ever (except in washington) will you find secret lobbyists, corporations and wheelings and dealings with front aisle democrats. Those like Howard Dean, and so on do not ask for your donations. They ask if you want to make a difference and help by donating, that is the correct answer.
Almost 1 million people written on the presented questions and the letter, that's more than 1 in each 500 americans. That's a whole lot, and it's representing almost 10 million to boot with it. Now, that's a question that demands answers.
Comment #283: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:10am ET...
Hey Nvanm, Bush is a pathological LIAR. Cheney is a pathological LIAR. John Conyers is just trying to have a public hearing to sort out which lies Bush/Cheney told first, and which lies they told next to cover up the first lies. He is a patriot and a heroic American. You are a whining apologist for the traitorous right wingers in this country who are betraying everything America stands for. You make me sick.
Comment #284: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:11am ET...
anti-Bush using your logic why don't we invade Canada? After all they have about as much oil as Saudi Arabia and no military to speak of.. sure would have been cheaper! Closer too!
Comment #285: Mariette said on 6/16/05 @ 12:12am ET...
Thanks JC!! You have my support. And YES, I will donate voluntarily. Well put Doug Eldritch
Comment #286: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:13am ET...
Joe Wilson, proven liar, does not have inside knowledge of anything as the US senate proved him to be a liar regarding wmd. Ms. Sheehan, G-d bless her, has no knowledge about wmd. The "renown" lawyer has no knowledge of wmd. Ray could be relevant, but not until you know what Mr. Deerlove and Mr. Rycroft have to say about the minutes.
Comment #287: Mariette said on 6/16/05 @ 12:14am ET...
Also, pay no attention to the right wing trolls here.
Comment #288: Rob said on 6/16/05 @ 12:15am ET...
Thank you for ALL of your efforts, Congressman Conyers! You make me proud to be from the state of Michigan.
Comment #289: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:15am ET...
Ah yes, ignored dissent only matters when it happens to a Democrat, right?
Comment #290: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:15am ET...
The spikes of activity you mention were okay with minority leader Gephardt and with Joe Biden at the time they were taking place. This is not news.
Comment #291: Fair and balanced said on 6/16/05 @ 12:17am ET...
LOLLL the trolls are getting upset!!!
Comment #292: Gareth M said on 6/16/05 @ 12:18am ET...
Thanks mr Conyers! You do us PROUD.
Comment #293: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:19am ET...
Wow. Mike is busy tonight.
Comment #294: BueIsland in a Red state said on 6/16/05 @ 12:19am ET...
Thanks Mr Conyers, from Atlanta!
Comment #295: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:19am ET...
Gina,
Have the "Christians" in Western Michigan stopped burning witches yet?
Comment #296: BlueIsland said on 6/16/05 @ 12:20am ET...
Thanks for the Blog too
Comment #297: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:20am ET...
Rusty what kind of retarded question is that?
Comment #298: Seth Cowen said on 6/16/05 @ 12:21am ET...
Well I sure hope Mr. Conyers does not let us down. I personaly would not be surprised if he is a part of the Dark Side and his job is simply to lead a losing effort (like John Forbes Kerry fraternity brother of GHWB and GWB). I still remember Mr. COnyers was the one in the Farhenheit 911 trailor saying" Sit down my son, we don't read most of the bills we vote on" or something like that. Also he voted for the Patriot Act and so did alot of Democratic Party Politicians. I sure hope Mr. Conyers is not just a beacon of false hope.
Seth
P.S. I read a post that said that comparing the "Right" to the German Nazis is "baseless". Who ever believes that %@#$ is a Notsee.
Comment #299: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:21am ET...
(The Downing Street Memo mentions “spikes of activity,” which probably refers to the program of covert operations begun against Iraq in the spring of 2002. This program was revealed the following June. Covert action against Iraq was hardly controversial. On June 16, 2002, on ABC’s This Week, House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt said that congressional leaders had been briefed on the secret directive by the White House, and stated that “It is an appropriate action to take. I hope it succeeds in its quest." Senator Joseph Biden, then chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on Face the Nation, "If the covert action doesn't work, we better be prepared to move forward with another action, an overt action, and it seems to me that we can't afford to miss.")http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200506060801.asp
Comment #300: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:21am ET...
Oh ... now, really. Come on. That's just more deflection, N. There was no public notification of "spikes of activity" until the formal declaration of war. The DSM says that we'd begun bombing, unprovoked, in Iraq almost a year before Bush announced we were going in. That is so news.
As to Dearlove and Rycroft, what more do we need to know from them then that their words are represented on this (and other) documents? They have not denied it.
Comment #301: BlueIsland said on 6/16/05 @ 12:22am ET...
There is some funny stuff here tonight! What's with the trolls?
Comment #302: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 12:23am ET...
Joe was and has never been a real "liar" I'm sure if he was put under the lie test, he would be proven to be lying about lying.
What that means is when he was in the administration he had to lie, he was coerced and manipulated to lie on behalf of his masters.
When he was fired and went on radio, he expressed the truth about this and what "really" happened. There was no WMD or collin powell pictures (which Collin doctored) but, he had to still pretend there was under orders.
He could not continue to propagate the propaganda, so the cartel removed him and slandered him forever. He is a credible witness, and was recently even on DemocracyNow, Liberty Radio, and the Bradshow.
Comment #303: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:24am ET...
Sorry, National Review is not credible. What is important is what the public knew opposed to what the President did, and they are, apparently, in conflict.
Comment #304: Jami said on 6/16/05 @ 12:25am ET...
Thank you Senator Conyers, from Los Angeles.
Comment #305: Emily said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26am ET...
To number 83. The war in Afghainstan isn't totally justified either. Watch the documentary "Loose Change". You can get it at http://www.mininova.org in the documentary section. There's no solid proof about Afghainstan so check out that documentary.
Comment #306: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26am ET...
Markus
Why do you need to be notified when the US begins bombing something. Do you have some legal authority that I am unaware of? Given that Sen. Biden and Rep. Gephardt talked about it happening in June of 2002 on national televisino, it's not like the "spikes of activity" were a state secret anyway.
Comment #307: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26am ET...
If you are embarrassed in Michigan, Gina, you must be embbarrassed about the 17th century Puritans who dominate western Michigan.
Comment #308: ChristineM said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26am ET...
Good for you mr Conyers!! THANK YOU!
Comment #309: jami said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26am ET...
whoops, rep. conyers.
Comment #310: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:28am ET...
No Rusty, I'm embarassed by what Rep Conyers is doing. The Christians are fine, but thanks for your concern.
Comment #311: Avon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:29am ET...
Rusty, its pointless arguing with trolls. Just ignore
Comment #312: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:30am ET...
Pardon me, Seth, but don't you dare go waving your finger at me.
Genocide and greed are entirely different issues.
If there are comparissons to be made with the Nazis it is with their extreme desire for power, but this administration is not killing people for any other reason than collateral damage for the achievment of their economic agenda.
It's sick, no doubt, but it's not genocide.
All power-hungry men have similar traits, but the Bush administration are fools trying to conquer the world's economy, not trying to create a "master race."
That is a severe difference.
Besides, radical rhetoric from either side achieves nothing.
Comment #313: Emily said on 6/16/05 @ 12:31am ET...
If you're not afraid nvanm why are you even at this blog? You surely must be worried about something to come and spy on us. Oh and what did you think of the porn star at the republican gala last night? Here's a video in real player format: http://www.edwardsdavid.com/media/olbermann/olbermann_republicans_party_porn_stars_050615-01.ram
and here is one in window's media player format: http://www.edwardsdavid.com/media/olbermann/olbermann_republicans_party_porn_stars_050615-01.wmv
Comment #314: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:32am ET...
Nvanm,
Bombing is an act of war. It is paid for by American taxpayers. Bush has no legal or moral right to bomb someone just because he feels like it. Bush and most Republicans have this attitude that the laws and the Consitution don't apply to them. They are in for a rude awakening.
Comment #315: Gina, dont get mad about a free and honest inquiry said on 6/16/05 @ 12:32am ET...
relax, homegirl. what's the problem
Comment #316: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:32am ET...
Better watch out markus, the herd does not tolerate dissent.
National Review is not credible but DemocracyNow is?
Comment #317: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:35am ET...
Emily
Had you read any of my previous posts, you would know why I am here. I have a few questions about the witness list. Do you have a problem with that? Sorry but free country and all, I will ask away.
Comment #318: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:36am ET...
I don't really think we have much to worry about nvanm :)
Comment #319: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:37am ET...
Gina,
Too many Christians are NOT fine. Too many of them have lost their minds. Conyers is the most conscientious Christian in all of Michigan. You should be respecting him for standing up for the poor and the voiceless. Instead, you are defending LIARS and HYPOCRITES.
Comment #320: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:37am ET...
Emily cont...
Is being a porn star against the law? Shoud she be shunned because you do not approve of her chosen profession?
Comment #321: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:38am ET...
I'm sorry, N. but you lost me there.
You're just constantly deflecting the points I'm making.
Referring to your article, Clinton's "Iraq Regime Change" policy was completely about supporting a revolution from within, it had no other weight than that, and the Right Wing media constantly tries to paint it as such.
And there is no doubt in my mind that the same "faulty intelligence" that was put out to the public was the same weak excuse that the administration gave to the Senate and to Congress in order to initiate their agenda back in June 2k2.
And, yes, I believe it is the right of the people to know when their government makes a decision to invade another country.
I'm sorry, but your talking points are showing, and I need to get to bed.
Comment #322: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:39am ET...
The problem with you, Gina, is that you have the critical thinking skills of a tree stump. Congratulations.
Comment #323: Judy said on 6/16/05 @ 12:40am ET...
Dear John,
I just love you! If you didn't have a wonderful wife and family, I would be knocking at your door! All your friends that will be at the hearing tomorrow, are my best friends, too, even though I have never met them personally! You and they speak for me! Thank you so very much for all that you have done for us! You and Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones and the Black Caucus, who, after all, were the only ones who had the courage on 1/6/01, and 2004, to ask the hard questions; Howard Dean, Senators Leahy, Kennedy, Feingold, Byrd, Sarbanes, Mulkulski, Corzine, Lautenberg, etc.; Congressmen and Congresswomen Cucinich (sp?), and McKinney, Lee, Jones, Nadler, Markey, Frank, Rangel, Sherrod Brown, Eleanor Holmes Norton--so many others) are our heros and heroines! I just donated to your compaign! We need 10,000 more like you! Please, please, continue to save our country from the christofascists that are now in control! And get rid of those f** machines that are stealing and counting our votes! Paper ballots, hand counted! Nothing more, nothing less! Not vapor ballots! I'm counting on you, John, as well as your best friends!
Comment #324: Avon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:41am ET...
lol! Nvanm. I thought you were such moralists?
Comment #325: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
You can use the whole article if you want. My intent was to show that there was no secret bombing, that congress was notified, and as the quotes demonstrate, that it was discussed while it was happening on national television by at least two prominent democrats. The argument that this whole thing happened in secret is just plain false.
Comment #326: Michelle and Jon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
Thanks from the bottom of our hearts, Rep. Conyers--I have sincere hope that what you and the others at the hearings are doing will reveal the truth about the war in Iraq and the litany of lies surrounding it. We need more John Conyerses to stand up for the American people and sanity. :)
Comment #327: Avon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
Tree Stump!! LOL!! I agree with that.
Comment #328: A few reasons Gina... said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
1. What believable lies could have Bush told to get the American public rallied for war with their peaceful neighbor of the north?
2. Being closer is a liabilty in this case. It's a little stupid to think that America would support a war in Canada especially when many Americans have families, friends, and business associates in Canada. It is much easier to drum up support when the people are brown-skinned, Muslim, and halfway across the world.
3. The more Bush spends in the war, the richer he and his cronies get while driving the U.S. deeper into debt. The real knee-slapper here is Bush and his cronies make more money the deeper the U.S. goes in debt... People like Bush hold quite a bit of money in treasury notes (Greater than $4.95 million in W's case and who knows how much the Bush Crime family as a whole has) Treasury notes become more valuable the deeper in debt we go.
Comment #329: crabapple said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
The Repugs will not investigate anything, so the Dems are left no choice but to do it themselves. By doing so, without the Repugs, the Dems do not have Subpoena powers.
For those bitching about the witnesses, get your lawless Repugs to join Rep. Conyers and the Dems so we can have a full committee hearing with subpoena powers.
Until then, you have no grounds to bitch about half a loaf when it's your half that is AWOL.
Comment #330: Markus said on 6/16/05 @ 12:42am ET...
Actually, I am a big fan of dissent, and I don't walk a party line for either side.
Nighty night, folks.
Keep it civilized.
Comment #331: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:44am ET...
avon
You shouldn't think so hard. Your low IQ makes it dangerous. At what time did I say anything about morality as it relates to your question on this website?
Comment #332: Erik said on 6/16/05 @ 12:44am ET...
Thanks Mr Conyers! Keep up the good work of representing us! I signed your letter!
Erik M
Comment #333: AngeloForDemocracy said on 6/16/05 @ 12:46am ET...
At last someone is taking this war in Iraq seriously! I am tired of the "groping justification". Lets find out the truth!
Comment #334: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 12:47am ET...
Why can't anyone simply just for once, drop the crazy back & forth digging mudslings?
What does Osama Bin Laden, whether Biden Lied, or Porn Stars have to do with anything regarding DSM?
You show your support for irrelevancy if you continue to disrupt, that goes for the far right and far left.
Lets go back to the original topic--Joe Wilson. It is fine that we don't agree, but it is rest assured and backed by evidence that the man is a credible witness.
From the year 2001 in the Pentagon, he was aware of conversations in Washington regarding Iraq. He knows full well what kind of resolutions were being discussed. Even though the meetings were held in Britain during the run up to the war, there was lots of shady meetings right here at home anyway.
Nobody may have, rightfully so, believed him at the time. But it doesn't change the facts, Joe Wilson knew about the incorrect policy. Joe Wilson knew someone was working with George Tenet, mainly Larry Franklin, Pentagon director--And that he was leaking intelligence. Joe Wilson knew for a fact there was not any WMD, Joe's wife is Plame.
Comment #335: Avon said on 6/16/05 @ 12:47am ET...
LOL! Typical Troll. They just revert to name calling.
Comment #336: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:48am ET...
Avon,
You have a good point about not arguing with the trolls, but I've been fed up with self-righteous, right wing idiots for ten years. Arguing with them is usually futile, but ignoring them just leads to a tree stump population explosion.
Comment #337: Gina said on 6/16/05 @ 12:48am ET...
Avon what did the porn star have to do with the DSM?
Comment #338: Seth Cowen said on 6/16/05 @ 12:49am ET...
Well at risk of fueling the Trolls of both political parties, I would like to point out that alot of Americans already think that all Muslims, Moslims, Mullahs, Arabs, etc. are Terrorists who want to destroy America. Hmmmm! Sounds like the precursor to genocide to me. I see that there are religious Fanatics of Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and whatever other religion. But in America and around the World Christians, and Jews ( in particular) are actually thinking that All Muslims are to blame for Terrorist Activity,
Next we will be Putting the Muslims in Camps and Exterminating them. To preserve the Homeland.
I admit that the German Nazis and the American Notsees are not exactly identical, but very, very simiilar , in many, many ways. Anyone who disagrees should study some History. And just to clarify,, The Republicans who support the Bush/Carlyle Group are Notsees, because they do not undersand that Bush is no Republican. Bush is a Notsee because he chooses to not see the way of Good and right and chooses to do Evil in the name of God as a false Prohpet. Members of the Democratic Party who follow blindly behind Corrupt Politicians who feed from the same troff as the Republicans are Notsees because they do not see the truth.
Comment #339: Sheryl X Myers said on 6/16/05 @ 12:50am ET...
Go for it Rep. Conyers! God bless you!
Comment #340: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:51am ET...
Senate investigations have shown Joe lied about his investigation in Niger and his conclusions according to the senate were the opposite of what he claimed in his NYT op-ed. He lied about how he got the job. He lied about what his investigation showed, once he had the job. He is in fact and by definition, a liar.
Comment #341: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 12:53am ET...
Doug,
It's all connected. The Repugs abandoning the hunt for Bin Laden, Biden's sellout, and a porn star at a Bush fundraiser all EXPOSE the power and hypocrisy of the Repugs. THAT is the problem. Joe Wilson does not exist in a vaccuum, so why do you just want to focus on him?
Comment #342: Interested in Reclaiming Democracy for America said on 6/16/05 @ 12:56am ET...
Thanks Rep Conyers. We will be watching the proceedings tomorrow.
Comment #343: Interested in Reclaiming Democracy for America said on 6/16/05 @ 12:57am ET...
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Comment #344: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 12:58am ET...
Because Joe Wilson did NOT lie, there was yellow cake uranium. And it was not in Iraq. Reviewing the full timeline tells us these pieces clearly.
Joe was told to falsify, he bore false witness and that is what is correct. The yellow cake was *meant* to seem like it was Iraq and whatever else you can dream up. And he knew the entire time that was not true.
Comment #345: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:59am ET...
Lets look at the WaPo for more on joe wilson, liar.
"
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
Comment #346: Seth Cowen said on 6/16/05 @ 12:59am ET...
And Judging by a certain Notsees comments, there are Notsees who don't have a party affiliation. But they are still , a Notsee, internet troll.
Comment #347: Fred from Seattle said on 6/16/05 @ 1:00am ET...
Way to go!! Tomorrow is just the beginning!!!
Comment #348: Erica from Michigan said on 6/16/05 @ 1:02am ET...
Thanks Rep. Conyers you represent us well.
We are proud to call you our own
Comment #349: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 1:04am ET...
Look, it's simply incorrect. This was all debunked ages ago. Wilson willfully obstructed the investigation, because he was ordered to lie.
There WAS the yellow cake uranium, in another country. Why do you think that immediately after *Rove* outed Plame for absolutely no apparent reason?
Because it was a setup. Wilson knew too much about Larry Franklin and, he had told his story officially. He's already told his story officially now in all types of papers and on the air. The whole point about Joe being a untrustworthy liar was a Sean Hannity talking point by the rw, that serves as absolutely no purpose but to destroy his name via Rove.
Now Wilson is woefully discredited in intelligence circles and hated, because they lied again about him when he stopped being their toy.
Comment #350: Emilio Gomez said on 6/16/05 @ 1:05am ET...
As a clear thinking liberal, I thank you Mr. Conyers. You are a patriot and a true American. Good luck tomorrow!
Comment #351: tobes said on 6/16/05 @ 1:06am ET...
to further ratify Seth's excellent points on the Unbearable Likeness of Being between our current US "democracy" and fascism/Nazism (similar documents, different styles & varying content):
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Comment #352: Forrest Gimp said on 6/16/05 @ 1:07am ET...
Don't let the neo-Nazi trolls get you down, Mr. Conyers. You are a patriot ~ they are traitors.
Comment #353: Nancy Aldrich said on 6/16/05 @ 1:09am ET...
Thank you, Mr. Conyers. Just ignore the trolls like Hank. The rest of us do. I admire you for getting the truth out!
IMPEACH BUSH!!!
Comment #354: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 1:12am ET...
Debunked because you or liar joe says so? I don't think so. I know the concept is lost here but maybe you could show some evidence from a reputable source, talkleft and DemocracyNow are not reputable sources any more than hannity or bill'o are.
Comment #355: Dark Knight said on 6/16/05 @ 1:14am ET...
Thank you, Mr. Conyers! I fully support your efforts and I applaud what you are doing to get the truth about the Bush Admin out. You are my hero!
Comment #356: Sister Sylvia said on 6/16/05 @ 1:16am ET...
IMPEACH BUSH!! He lied and soldiers died. Mr. Conyers, I want to thank you for your efforts. Your are a real patriot.
Comment #357: Sister Sylvia said on 6/16/05 @ 1:16am ET...
IMPEACH BUSH!! He lied and soldiers died. Mr. Conyers, I want to thank you for your efforts. Your are a real patriot.
Comment #358: Rogerthat said on 6/16/05 @ 1:18am ET...
As a through and through liberal and patriot who loves this country, please Congressman Conyers, see that George W. Bush is removed from office for the lies he told about Iraq. Thank you for your efforts to protect and defend us.
Comment #359: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 1:19am ET...
349
I missed this earlier. You are saying that Joe has admitted to lying, but only when he worked for Bush. Now of course, he is entirely trustworthy because he would not lie. Oh wait, yes he would. Liars are not trustworthy and it matters not if they are the President, or an analyst, or a former ambassador.
Comment #360: MagnumDB said on 6/16/05 @ 1:20am ET...
All the anti-conyers posts on here sound like they are coming from very nervous individuals. All the capitals, and yelling, and name calling... it seems they are rushing to say what ever they can. So they just yell.
Sometimes they post an article, which I'm sure they did a quick Google search for, and just pasted the first and best one they could find.
But... the hearing will happen, no matter what they think of the number of people attending the hearing. I'm sure a lot more will watch it on TV or hear it on the radio.
I didn't get the chance to read every post (300+ posts is a lot!) but I saw this on AfterDowningStreet.com:
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Watch the trail that JUST MAY lead to the impeachment of our President!!
From AfterDowningStreet.org:
This is our chance to see the truth come out! The Downing Street memo HEARINGS AT 2:30 PM, RALLY AT 5 PM TODAY (THURSDAY, JUNE 16TH)!!!
Get the details and flyers.
Watch on C-Span 3.
Listen on Pacifica
Listen on RadioLeft
Read on PDA Blog
Buy DVD.
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So... go check it out! I am amazed at how early this will begin. I'll have my VCR fired up (no Tivo yet, sorry).
I'll see you all on the other side (which I hope is a more peaceful, more honest, and a lacking of Bush future).
Comment #361: Henry Clay said on 6/16/05 @ 1:22am ET...
Rep. Conyers ~ I applaud and salute you. You are a true patriot and a great American.
Comment #362: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 1:30am ET...
For pete's sake:
"LONDON, England (CNN) -- Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has defended Britain's decision to include in its first Iraqi dossier claims that Saddam Hussein tried to get uranium from Africa.
Straw Saturday acknowledged that the CIA expressed reservations about the use of the claim in the UK government's September dossier on Iraqi weapons -- but insisted it was based on what British officials regarded as "reliable intelligence" which had not been shared with the United States.
U.S. President George W. Bush said Saturday that he remained confident in CIA director George Tenet after Tenet took responsibility for the line in Bush's State of the Union address alleging that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa -- a line now discredited. (Full story)"
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/12/sprj.irq.uk.uranium.straw/index.html
Wilson was not discredited. He was correct in the report that yellow cake was supposed to be found in Africa, what he was NOT correct on was it being connected or sent to Iraq.
It's so simple a third grader could put it together. The administration ordered him to concoct this phony intelligence to justify their going to war, and later when Wilson didn't meet his end of the bargain, they turned on him and discredited him.
So now Wilson's job is compromised. Yes, there really is yellow cake but because it wasn't in the way they wanted it to be--It's no longer relevant.
Seems bizarre yes, but the truth is he was ordered to lie. After lying he also went on Talk Radio and spoke of his story and how he wanted to get these bastards. Joe is one of the best CIA analysts around, who became involved with insane neocons. It can't even hide it. Yellow Cake was in the other country of Nigeria and the news even reported it was moved (Not to Iraq and the rest reported false)
Comment #363: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 1:33am ET...
Palast for Conyers: The OTHER ' Memos' from Downing Street and Pennsylvania Avenue
Greg Palast, unable to attend hearings in Washington Thursday, has submitted the following testimony:
Chairman Conyers,
It's official: The Downing Street memos, a snooty New York Times "News Analysis" informs us, "are not the Dead Sea Scrolls." You are warned, Congressman, to ignore the clear evidence of official mendacity and bald-faced fibbing by our two nations' leaders because the cry for investigation came from the dark and dangerous world of "blogs" and "opponents" of Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush.
On May 5, "blog" site Buzzflash.com carried my story, IMPEACHMENT TIME: "FACTS WERE FIXED," bringing the London Times report of the Downing Street memo to US media which seemed to be suffering at the time from an attack of NADD -- "news attention deficit disorder."
The memo, which contains the ill-making admission that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed" to match the Iraq-crazed fantasies of our President, is sufficient basis for a hearing toward impeachment of the Chief Executive. But to that we must add the other evidence and secret memos and documents still hidden from the American public.
Other foreign-based journalists could doubtless add more, including the disclosure that the key inspector of Iraq's biological weapons, the late Dr. David Kelly, found the Bush-Blair analysis of his intelligence was indeed "fixed," as the Downing Street memo puts it, around the war-hawk policy.
Here is a small timeline of confidential skullduggery dug up and broadcast by my own team for BBC Television and Harper's on the secret plans to seize Iraq's assets and oil.
February 2001 - Only one month after the first Bush-Cheney inauguration, the State Department's Pam Quanrud organizes a secret confab in California to make plans for the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam. US oil industry advisor Falah Aljibury and others are asked to interview would-be replacements for a new US-installed dictator.
On BBC Television's Newsnight, Aljibury himself explained,
"It is an invasion, but it will act like a coup. The original plan was to liberate Iraq from the Saddamists and from the regime."
March 2001 - Vice-President Dick Cheney meets with oil company executives and reviews oil field maps of Iraq. Cheney refuses to release the names of those attending or their purpose. Harper's has since learned their plan and purpose -- see below.
October/November 2001 - An easy military victory in Afghanistan emboldens then-Dep. Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz to convince the Administration to junk the State Department "coup" plan in favor of an invasion and occupation that could remake the economy of Iraq. And elaborate plan, ultimately summarized in a 101-page document, scopes out the "sale of all state enterprises" -- that is, most of the nation's assets, "… especially in the oil and supporting industries."
2002 - Grover Norquist and other corporate lobbyists meet secretly with Defense, State and Treasury officials to ensure the invasion plans for Iraq include plans for protecting "property rights." The result was a pre-invasion scheme to sell off Iraq's oil fields, banks, electric systems, and even change the country's copyright laws to the benefit of the lobbyists' clients. Occupation chief Paul Bremer would later order these giveaways into Iraq law.
Fall 2002 - Philip Carroll, former CEO of Shell Oil USA, is brought in by the Pentagon to plan the management of Iraq's oil fields. He works directly with Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith. "There were plans," says Carroll, "maybe even too many plans" -- but none disclosed to the public nor even the US Congress.
January 2003 - Robert Ebel, former CIA oil analyst, is sent, BBC learns, to London to meet with Fadhil Chalabi to plan terms for taking over Iraq's oil.
March 2003 - What White House spokesman Ari Fleisher calls "Operations Iraqi Liberation" (OIL) begins. (Invasion is re-christened "OIF" -- Operation Iraqi Freedom.)
March 2003 - Defense Department is told in confidence by US Energy Information Administrator Guy Caruso that Iraq's fields are incapable of a massive increase in output. Despite this intelligence, Dep. Secretary Wolfowitz testifies to Congress that invasion will be a free ride. He swears, "There's a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. …We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon," a deliberate fabrication promoted by the Administration, an insider told BBC, as "part of the sales pitch" for war.
May 2003 - General Jay Garner, appointed by Bush as viceroy over Iraq, is fired by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The general revealed in an interview for BBC that he resisted White House plans to sell off Iraq's oil and national assets.
"That's just one fight you don't want to take on," Garner told me. But apparently, the White House wanted that fight.
The general also disclosed that these invade-and-grab plans were developed long before the US asserted that Saddam still held WDM:
"All I can tell you is the plans were pretty elaborate; they didn't start them in 2002, they were started in 2001."
November/December 2003 - Secrecy and misinformation continues even after the invasion. The oil industry objects to the State Department plans for Iraq's oil fields and drafts for the Administration a 323-page plan, "Options for [the] Iraqi Oil Industry." Per the industry plan, the US forces Iraq to create an OPEC-friendly state oil company that supports the OPEC cartel's extortionate price for petroleum.
The Stone Wall
Harper's and BBC obtained the plans despite official denial of their existence, then footdragging when confronted with the evidence of the reports' existence.
Still today, the State and Defense Departments and White House continue to stonewall our demands for the notes of the meetings between lobbyists, oil industry consultants and key Administration officials that would reveal the hidden economic motives for the war.
What are the secret interests behind this occupation? Who benefits? Who met with whom? Why won't this Administration release these documents of the economic blueprint for the war?
To date, the State and Defense Department responses to our reports are risible, and their answers to our requests for documents run from evasive to downright misleading. Maybe Congress, with it's power of subpoena, can do better.
Blogs, the Media and Democracy
Let me conclude with a comment about those pesky "blogs" that so bother the New York Times. We should stand and offer a moment of quiet gratitude to the electronic swarm of gadfly commentators who make it so much harder for the US media to ignore news not officially blessed. Yes, Judith Miller's breathless reports for The Times that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction may have maintained "access" for the mainstream press to its diet of White House propaganda, but the blogs insure that, whatever nonsense the US press is biting on, the public need not swallow.
This week Greg Palast's investigative team was named winner of a 2004-5 Project Censored award from the California State University at Sonoma Journalism School for their exposé of the secret US plans to seize Iraq's oil assets. Special thanks to the chief investigator on Iraq, Leni von Eckardt, as well as additional support from Matt Pascarella. The investigation was conducted for Harper's Magazine, BBC Television Newsnight and "blog" outlet TomPaine.com.
View the BBC television reports and the Harper's and related reports at www.GregPalast.com
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Comment #364: Bill_o_Carolina said on 6/16/05 @ 1:35am ET...
Mr. Conyers I'm so glad you've been able to draw the media to your event. I only wish it would be broadcast on cspan 1 or 2 as I dont get cspan 3.
However I will follow the event in whatever means possible. Thank you again for your great service to our great nation!
p.s. to skHANK, you are really scared huh?!
Comment #365: nvanm said on 6/16/05 @ 1:38am ET...
The eventual finding that yellowcake was not sent to Iraq is not in dispute here dougey. The fact that Joe's investigation showed something completely different than what he said it did in his op-ed pieces and assorted radio show appearances makes him a liar. Saying his wife did not get him the job when that was not true makes him a liar. He is compromised because he is a liar. You want to believe that a liar will change and tell you the truth. It is not going to happen. He is in fact telling you that he is a liar. Why do you want to believe him?
Comment #366: HankfromtheBank said on 6/16/05 @ 1:42am ET...
IMPEACH BUSH! You are a true American hero!! As a dyed-in-wool lib, I support you 100%
Comment #367: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 1:46am ET...
What?
So if someone lies once, they basically remain a "liar"?
Whether he lied originally or not, doesn't change the fact he is a vital witness to this case. If he wasn't vitally involved, Secretary Jack Straw wouldn't be commending him and awarding him for providing the "fixed" intelligence in that dossier.
Short hand: He was in on the scam. He knows a hell of a lot more than some K-Street, about how the scam went down. At the very least he should be allowed to give his testimony and pass a lie detector. Simple. Get the facts. Simple.
Comment #368: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 1:48am ET...
Nvanm,
Well, I guess John Conyers, 100 congressmen, and 540,000 Americans should just wait until you provide a right-wing sanitized witness list for us. Not only are you a hypocrite, you are a pompous hypocrite.
Comment #369: Dallas Dude said on 6/16/05 @ 1:48am ET...
It looks to me like you have those Nazi neocons on the run, Rep. Conyers. Bush is a liar and should be impeached. Thank you for doing what you are doing. Just remember that not all Texans support Mr. Bush.
Comment #370: Emily said on 6/16/05 @ 1:48am ET...
Hey nvanm you never did answer my question. What did you think of the porn star being at the republican gala last night and her getting offers to by oil people and rightwing politicians to come strip at their sisters club? Hmmmm and here I thought family values and the grownups were in town. *snicker* (Note: I could really care less what miss Carey does but it's the hypocriacy of the rightwing that is hilarious).
Comment #371: magellan said on 6/16/05 @ 1:51am ET...
Thank you, Mr. Conyers! You're an inspiration to every American who truly cares about this country and the future we leave to our children. Bless you and keep fighting the good fight! XO
Comment #372: Hanktothebank said on 6/16/05 @ 1:53am ET...
Rusty, that was a horrible thing to say to such a patriotic American like John Conyers. Bush is the hypocrite and a liar.
Comment #373: Patricia Faris said on 6/16/05 @ 1:57am ET...
John Conyers, Jr. -- You are without question a man of the highest integrity and honor, and one of the finest public servants the people of this great country have ever had in their service.
Comment #374: Katrina said on 6/16/05 @ 1:57am ET...
Great Work, Rep. Conyers.
For those foolishly asking for witnesses under oath, that will come! Later, this is to insist that George Bush stop ignoring members of Congress ~ he is merely a servant of the people. He needs to understand that, and Congress represents the people.
Republicans are joining the demand for answers. They too were lied to by this administration.
U.S. Representative Walter Jones (R-NC) is seen in his office
on Capitol Hill in Washington D.C. June 15, 2005. Jones will
co-sponsor legislation about calling for the truth regarding the Downing Street Memo and reasons how the U.S. got involved in Iraq. Reuters/Mannie Garcia
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050615/ids_photos_ts/r17982... ;_ylt=AlZj87jnU6hnbGalrigYF7TmWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bXNtMmJ2BHNlYwNzc3M-
Joe Wilson did not lie. Bush Sr. praised Joe Wilson for his service to his country. The Bush WH revealed the ID of an undercover agent. That is treason and I don't know what is taking so long in bringing to justice whoever is responsible for that.
Today, top British officials verified that the memos were authentic.
Hopefully more Republicans will join Rep. Jones and other Republicans, and demand hearings. Then, with all witnesses under oath, we have a chance of getting to the truth.
Why are these Bush supporters so afraid of Rep. Conyers' asking George Bush tomorrow, to stop ignoring the questions asked of him by nearly 100 members of Congress?
Had Bush not arrogantly refused to respond (what is he hiding, why DIDN'T he answer?) the hearing tomorrow would not have been necessary.
Hi Judy, couldn't agree more with you! :-)
Anyone who loves their country will demand that the government which works for us, regardless of party, tell the truth the American people, especially about something as serious as war!
Cindy Sheehan tried to talk to Donald Rumsfeld, with other mothers who lost sons in Bush's war. She was turned away! Why?
This administration has zero concern for the troops. She has and the other military families have a right to ask questions. I hope this time, she gets answers.
Comment #375: Crazy Joe said on 6/16/05 @ 1:58am ET...
We love you, John Conyers. You are an honorable representative and a true American. I wave the flag for you!
Comment #376: Devoney said on 6/16/05 @ 2:06am ET...
Crazy Joe, I have to applaud you for supporting the honorable Representative Conyers in his quest to unmask that traitor, George Bush.
Comment #377: Nancy Aldrich said on 6/16/05 @ 2:08am ET...
Emilio Gomez, you are my hero. I feel so close to you and like you are a part of me I have known for a long time. I echo your sentiments about Mr. Conyers and his heroic efforts to get to the truth and prove up Bush to be a liar.
Comment #378: Emily said on 6/16/05 @ 2:09am ET...
For all you rightwing trolls here you need to check out this story from a father in Iraq.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11899630.htm
Maybe you'll believe him.
Comment #379: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 2:12am ET...
Hank to/from the bank,
This seems to be a case of friendly fire. I was talking to and about Nvanm, not John Conyers.
Comment #380: metta said on 6/16/05 @ 2:57am ET...
ever amazing, John Conyers!!
we're with you!
Comment #381: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 3:24am ET...
Leaked transcripts from inside the White House...
http://www.freepress.org/images/store/leaked_transcripts.pdf
Comment #382: Warp99 said on 6/16/05 @ 3:39am ET...
Nvanm here is my answer
The following action would have been better than invading Iraq:
1. Let inspectors finish inspecting, even though they were being impeded by saddam in their investigations, no wmd found, stop all sanctions and allow saddam to run his whole country again (what do we do when he starts killing his citizens again?)
My answer:
Let the inspectors finish the job, then fund groups within Iraq to overthrow Saddam. As for killing his own people we stopped giving him chemcial weapons during Reagan. Remember his gassed his own people dual-use weapons dropped from US made Bell helicopters.
2. Drop inspection demands; let saddam run Iraq (again what do we do when he starts killing his citizens again?)
My Answer:
A rephrase of the first question. Gee you're REALLY getting desperate.
3. Please feel free to add an option if you want. Remember, anything that allows saddam to remain in power is sentencing the citizens of Iraq to perpetual and brutal oppression.
My answer:
Saddam rise to power was in 1976 due to the help of a CIA backed coup.
During the 1980's Reagan/Bush Sr. had a very cozy relationship with Saddam, hell Rummy got to visit not once but twice. Dual-use weapons, helicopters, and some powerful chemcials.
After the Gulf War concluded during the surrender the US allows Saddam to have helicopter gunships flying around Iraq. Saddam then turned around and gassed the Kurds while US miltary strike aircraft flying patrols were told to stand down. That's right he gassed his own people and WE DID NOTHING!!!
So let's see, the US helped Saddam get into power, sold him weapons and chemcials, stood by why he killed his own people, and to top it off implemented brutal sanctions which resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.
How much blood does the US have on it's hands?
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" -James Madison
Comment #383: fooj said on 6/16/05 @ 4:45am ET...
A true, American Patriot! You are my hero!
peace.
Comment #384: Vyan said on 6/16/05 @ 5:17am ET...
Tommorrow may be a Historic Day, and then again it may not.
At 2:30 pm Eastern, a hearing on the Downing Street Minutes, by the Democratic members of the House questioning when the Bush Administration decided to begin the Iraq War and on what basis, will be convened. Expectations from both sides of the political spectrum are quite extreme. The "Far-Left", including those who hate the very idea of George W. Bush in the White House may be hoping that this will be the first serious salvo in the march toward eventual impeachment hearings - while those with a right-ward bent are sure to insist that this is just another example of how those "whiny Loser-crats" refuse to accept that their defeats in the 2000/2004 elections, and simply can't resist blaming everyone else but themselves.
As usual, my position is toward the Center as I suspect that both sets of expetations will fall far short of the reality.
Did President Bush Lie us into a War? I think not. At least - not exactly. Was the President merely the innocent victim of a broken intelligence apparatas that failed to warn us of 9/11, and then continued to fail when it came to Iraq's involvment in the event, ties to al-Qaeda and possession of WMD's? Again, I think, not exactly.
I think if you look at the facts honestly and squarely, you will begin to see a pattern that has led us to where we are now - and it's not neccesarily a pattern of deliberate deception, it's a pattern of paradigm, a pattern of received wisdom, and fervent belief. A pattern of faith before fact.
In 1998, the often noted PNAC (Project of the New American Century) penned it's letter to then President Clinton urging that he commit American energy and forces to removing Saddam Hussein as leader of Iraq. Signatories on this letter including Donald Rumseld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, William Bennet, Richard Armatage, Dick Cheney and others. This document outlines a strategy which would, thought it's authors, lead to greater world security and a new renaissance of Democracy in the Arab world and beyond. It was clear that Saddam was our enemy, although many of the left often gloss over it, Saddam's Intelligence Agency did conspire to assasinate President George H.W. Bush with a car-bomb in Kuwait in 1993. The plan failed, but the animous lingered - at least among many who felt that President Clinton by bombing the Iraqi Intelligence Headquarters, simply didn't do enough.
We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.
...
We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.
I see little reason to assume that those who penned this letter, didn't believe thier own words - in fact I feel confident that they absolutely and devoutly believed every sentence, as they've done nothing if not remained true to the goals outlined then. And there in, lies the beginning of our saga and the problem we find ourself living in today.
After the 2000 Election, there was a not just a change in the Chief Executive, there was also a major shift among key positions througout the Administration. Besides Dick Cheney as Vice-President, many other PNAC supporters and signatories - people who hold an ideological fervor the likes of which this country has rarely seen - were given Deputy and Undersecratary positions in Defense (Wolfowitz), the State Department (Bolton) and others. For example, Bush's Deputy in the Labor Department is Eugene Scalia, son of conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and a former business lobbyist against workers compensation claims. Mr. Scalia has been known to claim that Repetitve Motion Injuries are simply "Junk Science" being used as an excuse for lazy workers to soak their employers. This person is now the Socitor of Labor, the primary legal representative for workers in the United States. A rather sad irony some would say.
The question on Downing Street has been framed as how much did the President and Administration know about Iraq WMD's and when did they know it? But the question should be, knowing that they believed Saddam himself was an imminent threat what did they do to verify that belief and most importantly did they ignore or downplay evidence which defied that belief?
The record is repleat with examples.
Following 9/11, the fear of international terrorism was at a fever pitch. It's clear that Saddam did at one time possess significant stockpiles of WMD's. He had used them against Iran and had used them against the Kurds following the first Gulf War in 1991. According to Richard Clarke's "Against all Enemies", contrary to credible evidence Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz continued to posit theories of Iraqi involvement not only in 9/11, but also in the first World Trace Center Bombing in 1993. Some of the lastest Post-Downing British Memos that have been released also confirm this view of Wolfowitz's. Against all evidence, Saddam was still the ultimate Boogey Man.
As it stands now, there have been several investigations into the Iraq WMD intelligence and indeed many failures have been found, but none have found that the intelligence was "fixed around [a specific] policy" - but that may be simply because one of these investigations were never tasked with answering that question. The 9/11 Committee didn't addressed the issue. The President's Robb-Silberman Commision on WMD's didn't bring the subject up.
"(W)e were not authorized to investigate how policymakers used the intelligence assessments they received from the Intelligence Community
The Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation was split into two sections, the second was to address Administration influence on intelligence has be indefinately postponed. Senator Harry Reid responded to the announcement in a Press Release:
Last year, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee committed to investigate whether Bush Administration officials misused intelligence. The failure of the report issued today to examine this important issue only serves to increase the need for the chairman to keep that commitment.”
All of which indicates all the more need for the core question to be answered - how did America screw up this badly?
Some would argue that there was no evidence against the presumption of guilt by Saddam, and of course, it's better "safe than sorry". That's all well and good except for the fact that there was quite a bit of evidence indicating that Saddam had no more WMD's, and that this information may indeed have been systematically ignored by those with a shared ferved belief - the PNAC Deputies - who then proceeded to block positive news about Saddam from their bosses, Rumfeld, Powell and by extension, the President.
When the U.S. Energy Commision stated that the aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq were the wrong type for Uranium enrichment, this information didn't reach Colin Powell before he testified before the UN. When his own State Department's intelligence service stated that they had doubts about Saddam's continued possess of WMD's. Those doubts were ignored, many strongly suspect, by well position Deputies such as John Bolton - who himself already had a reputation for intimidating and threatening analyists who he felt were understating the dangers of WMD's in Cuba.
When Joe Wilson went to Niger to investigate whether Iraq could find a way to aquire Uranium, he returned stating that it simply wasn't possible - and was promptly trashed by a Robert Novak, who reported based info from a unamed Adminstration source (someone in the "middle") stated that his wife, CIA Operative Valarie Plame, had been instrumental in his being sent to Africa. A year ago the Washington Post reported that Wilson's claims that Plame "had nothing to do with" his trip were contradicted by a Senate Intelligence Report, but his core claim that Iraq didn't have Uranium is clearly supported by the Dulfer Report.
ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material—activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program.
The other key factor that the Dulfer Report showed, was that many key allegations of WMD activity by Saddam all came from a single source, code-named Curveball. A source that his own German intelligence handlers found "not credible", yet claims of mobile laboratories and imminent mushroom clouds still managed to find their way into Presidential Speeches and public comments by Secretary Powell, then-NSA Chief Condoleeza Rice and even Clinton Admin hold-over George Tenet, Director of the CIA.
Subordinates have claimed that they passed information up the chain concerning Curveball's credibility, yet Tenet, for one, continues to state they he was unaware of this:
"It is deeply troubling to me that there was information apparently available within CIA as of late September or October of 2002 indicating that Curveball may have been a fabricator," Tenet said in a detailed seven-page rebuttal. "There is nothing more serious or galvanizing in the intelligence business than associating the word fabricator with a human source.
Once again, the failure wasn't at the analyst level, nor was it (allegedly) with the leadership (Tenet, Powell) - the disconnect was apparently somewhere in the middle. Somewhere among the middle management or at the Administration appointed deputy level were PNACers such as Wolfowitz and Bolton who in all likelhood, simply refused to believe or to promote ideas and facts that deviated from their predetermined agenda.
It's not simply a matter of them deliberately lying to their superiors - it's an issue of which facts did they choose to highlight in their reports, and which did they choose to de-emphasize or omit?
This might mean that the longed-for independant investigation of President Bush may find that he was simply the victim of misguided and overzealous aids, not a deliberate prefabricator or liar per se.
Or then again, was he a willing victim of this paradigmatic group-think?
The most telling answer to this question comes from former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, who said the Bush was like ""a blind man in a room full of deaf people", and that he whole-heartedly belives his decisions are the right ones, regardless of all nay-sayers and in many cases - clear and raw evidence to the contrary.
This is why he [Bush] dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts," Bartlett [a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance] went on to say. "He truly believes he's on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.
This reliance on belief and conviction over fact, may indeed be a common trait among the PNAC/neo-conservative movement, and has gradually influenced the President. Where once he opening took input from many source, according to a extensive report by Ron Suskind for the New York Times, today he has closed himself into the tightest circle of "happy-talking" insiders and confidents of any President in modern history.
To lie is to state as fact, something that you yourself don't believe is true - but I strongly suspect that the aswer to the perennial question of "How did we get here?" may be something both far greater and far smaller than simply a set of repeated lies, it may indeed involve quite a bit of blind self-deception as well.
If the nation is to truly learn something valuable from this process, it will not be achieved simply by toppling the Bush Adminstration in the midst a highly-partisan conflagration in the rush to the third impeachment trial in our nation's history. We need to learn what really did and what did not occur in our intelligence assesment process, and what may be continuing to occur in all of our government decision making in order to truly prevent anything like this from happening again.
And if we fail in this, we ensure - whether the right remains in power, or the left regains it - that we remain quite ilkely, if not certain, to repeat this type of failure sometime in future.
It may happen later rather than sooner, with luck, but it's clear that without genuine understanding and a national commitment to a true paradigm shift away from pure belief to verifiable fact in governing - we will again ask and wonder in frustration, "How did we get here?"
Vyan
Vyan.blogspot.com
Comment #385: Raksha said on 6/16/05 @ 5:30am ET...
Rep. Conyers,
My signature is on your petition and I'll be with you in spirit tomorrow. Thank you for giving me back my pride, both as a Democrat and as an American.
Comment #386: Linda said on 6/16/05 @ 6:01am ET...
Hope someone sees this way down here at message 386 or so.
On JohnConyers.com the link in the text to go to the blog takes you to an older archived page instead of the blog home page of conyersblog.us.
Just hoping someone can fix that. Many people will be missing Congressman Conyers' recent post about June 16 activities.
Comment #387: Amy said on 6/16/05 @ 7:40am ET...
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Comment #388: Today's Stats said on 6/16/05 @ 8:16am ET...
AMERICAN MILITARY DEATHS IN IRAQ: 1713
AMERICAN MILITARY WOUNDED IN IRAQ: 12896
source: antiwar.com
IRAQI CIVILIAN DEATHS (MINIMUM): 22248
source: iraqbodycount.net
Comment #389: Frank said on 6/16/05 @ 8:22am ET...
Hello Mr. Conyers,
I wanted to thank you for your courage in the face of such blatant abuse of power. I know that telling the truth isn't exactly thought highly of in this society we have created, but we need it anyway.
So many people are willing to twist and sway with every lie given by this administration, that we have seriously jeopardized our republic. I thank you and hope that the rest of us may have the courage and wisdom to persue the truth as you have.
We were lied to and manipulated into war. Anyone who does not open their eyes and see the atrocities commited by this administration is no friend to freedom or democracy.
THank you again, Mr. Conyers. May all of our fellow Americans stand together to demand that this administration tell us the truth!
Comment #390: Teresa said on 6/16/05 @ 8:23am ET...
Vyan #384
Vyan, you bring up some interesting points. I believe there is a paradigm shift going on as well, but not exactly a shift away from belief to verifiable fact. I think truth and lies have always been there, and will continue to be. I think maybe the shift is in popular awareness. People seem to be becoming more discerning in witnessing political behavior. Or at least we might be heading there.
I completely agree that as many questions as possible need to be asked about the sequence of events. I think that is what today's action is all about. The people want an explanation from their President, since there are discrepancies.
I don't think Bush thinks at all whether he is right or wrong, telling lies or just self deceiving. I think he is in a fantasy world of mental illness, and is probably not at all responsible for his behavior. He is extremely delusional. And I believe he is heavily drugged. The others around him have all kinds of motivations and degrees of dishonesty. Dishonesty in politics has always a major cause of downfall.
This is part of the paradigm. We as citizens need to recognize the character, the capability, the sincerity, etc. of the people we choose as leaders.
This has been an awakening.
It will probably be impossible to seperate the lies, the truths, the deceptions and culpability completely. And I agree that the process might be long.
I also agree totally with you that we need to go through this thoroughly to avoid letting it happen again.
I do believe there were many deliberate lies and they should be revealed. But there is more to the process than that.
Everyone has to be part of the transformation.
Comment #391: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 8:34am ET...
House Leader Pelosi requested an amendment for consideration in the Rules Committee during debate of H.R. 2863, the FY 2006 Defense Appropriations bill. The amendment would require the President, within 30 days of enactment of the bill, to submit a report to Congress containing a "strategy for success" in Iraq and identifying the criteria that are to be used by the U.S. government to determine when it is appropriate to begin to bring U.S. forces home from Iraq.
Included within the report must be a description of the methods used to determine the capability of the Iraqi forces to provide security for Iraq and to assess Iraq's political stability.
The GOP-controlled Rules Committee refused to make the Pelosi amendment in order but Members of Congress will have the opportunity to vote against the previous question on the rule to the DOD Appropriations bill in order to allow consideration of the Pelosi amendment. The vote is tentatively set for tomorrow. Please write to your member of congress in support of this amendment.
http://www.pdamerica.org/field/pelosi-amendment-text.pdf
Comment #392: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 8:38am ET...
Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph: Haile Selassie
Comment #393: Ohiodem1 said on 6/16/05 @ 8:41am ET...
Good luck Rep. Conyers on your busy day today.
Comment #394: HANK said on 6/16/05 @ 8:50am ET...
CONGRAGULATIONS.
THE TERRORISTS WEB SITES ARE PROMOTING YOUR "HEARINGS" TODAY AND SAYING THAT MORE DEAD AMERICANS WILL SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE TO BUSH.
WE LOST 5 SOLDIERS TODAY... PROBABLY BECAUSE OF YOUR "HEARINGS".
YOU ARE THE CAUSE.
Comment #395: HANK said on 6/16/05 @ 8:52am ET...
BETWEEN BOO'ING SCHWARZNEGGER AND POSTING HERE, HOW DO YOU TWO PERCENTERS HAVE TIME TO EAT AND SLEEP AND TAKE YOUR MEDS?
Comment #396: Hank is Karl Rove said on 6/16/05 @ 8:53am ET...
I would advise all members on this blog site to not respond to Hank.
There is strong evidence that he is the same person sitting next to the pResident in the West Wing.
Hank aka Karl Rove
Comment #397: AJ said on 6/16/05 @ 8:57am ET...
Thank you JC for taking up this issue and working hard to bring the truth to light. I have made a donation to your campaign. I can't remember the last time I made a donation to a democratic candidate besides Kucinich.
You are a true American patriot. I hope we can reclaim our country from these fascist thugs and corporate swindlers and make the world safer for humanity again.
To Hank and all the other brainwashed morons out there, go and crawl back into that cave. Please don't keep responding with your insane and utterly illogical bs. Unless you can bring up some relevant FACTS to discuss, you are doing nothing more than showing your incredible ignorance and stupidity.
Comment #398: JB said on 6/16/05 @ 9:09am ET...
I heard you this morning on NPR. Thank you so much for bringing this to the forefront. The appalling arrogance of this Administration is unacceptable. It is time for America to wake up and demand answers. I *knew* this war was bullshit from the beginning. North Korea was jumping up and down in front of us, telling us that they had nuclear weapons, George Bush ingnored it, and proceeded to invade Iraq for reasons that are still unclear to me. Or to the families of the 1,700 Americans we have lost.
Good for you, Congressman Conyers!
Comment #399: C-Span said on 6/16/05 @ 9:16am ET...
Congressman Conyers on C-Span now...
Comment #400: hank said on 6/16/05 @ 9:22am ET...
JB asks why are we in Iraq?
Because Saddam:
Violated the terms of his 1991 Surrender.
Broke 17 UN resolutions with impunity.
Was trying to kill our Air Force pilots every single day as they attempted to enforce UN resolutions and protect the Kurds and others that Saddam was intent on murdering.
According to the Darfur report, was intent on breaking the sanctions and rebuilding his WMD programs.
Was paying bombers in Palestine to kill Israelis.
Was supporting terrorists groups in Northern Iraq by allowing them refuge.
Was intent on eliminating the Kurds as a people.
Even after his 1991 loss was unwilling to declare that Iraq had no rights to Kuwait and refused to return Kuwaitis he had kidnapped and goods he had stolen in his 1991 invasion.
Need MORE MORON!!!
I see by the tone of your post that you are apparently all for either bombing or invading North Korea. When should we have started? 1992?
Comment #401: Dale said on 6/16/05 @ 9:32am ET...
Watched a piece on CNN last night about the DSM hearings today. Also heard a bit this morning on NPR. Each piece ended with "This (DSM) issue is starting to heat up."
Keep their feet to the fire!
Comment #402: Paul said on 6/16/05 @ 9:39am ET...
Good luck, Rep. Conyers. Just having the hearing is a step forward.
Comment #403: Hank is Karl Rove said on 6/16/05 @ 9:42am ET...
Comment #400: hank
Do not respond.
Comment #404: The Witch said on 6/16/05 @ 9:44am ET...
I'll be leaving work early to come down to Lafayette Square and join you, Rep. Conyers! You were fantastic on Washington Journal this morning! Keep it up!
Comment #405: m3 said on 6/16/05 @ 9:46am ET...
Bush sent 1,700 Americans to their deaths based on LIES...
...and we're the "America Haters"
Bush has allowed ~15,000 Americans to be seriously injured or maimed in an unnecessary war that was based on LIES...
...and we're the "America Haters"
Bush and his administration are trying to crush civil liberties in many areas, remove consumer protection in the interests of big business, allow the oil-lobbyists to sabotage climate-change reports putting the health and future of America at risk...
... AND WE ... are the "America Haters"??
You ignorant freepers make me sick to the stomach.
Comment #406: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 9:48am ET...
Rep. Conyers a true statesman! Thank you C-Span Washington Journal.
Email: journal@c-span.org
Comment #407: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 9:52am ET...
Hank,
According to your logic no one should ever question authority during war. Even if the facts were fixed it doesn't matter? There is no arguing with you. The president can not be flawed during time of war?
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" Mark Twain
Comment #408: DOWNING STREET MEMO CHATROOM!!!!!!!!!!! said on 6/16/05 @ 9:53am ET...
Join us in the Downing Street Memo Chatroom.
Click on the link or copy/paste the following into your browser.
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Comment #409: Sandy said on 6/16/05 @ 9:57am ET...
Each journey starts with one small step. The threads are unravelling and it shows ;-) Intersting to see how things are changing, barely more than six months out from the hijacked election 2004. All so sadly predictable...
BTW for whoever above stated "it just shows this Country is as divided as ever", the data from all recent polls does not back up your assertions. To the contrary, they show that American's have become much more united in their opposition to the Iraq war and to Bush's policies, both foreign and domestic. What goes around, comes around, baby!
Gotta get back to work now, but for all the retired folks out there~~~ Have a nice day!
Comment #410: paul said on 6/16/05 @ 9:57am ET...
Vyan, lying is often in combination with self deception.
Comment #411: Sandy said on 6/16/05 @ 10:00am ET...
P.S.
GO JOHNNY GO!!
Comment #412: PB said on 6/16/05 @ 10:05am ET...
I'll take a loving commonsensical man like John Conyers whose bottom line is goodness and a calm example of what we've been longing for in our representatives.
It is tempting to allow ranting pork loins like H attempt to sabotage our good feelings and hope we can again be the country who loves and lives by its' constitution and bill of rights and is a respected example to the rest of the world once again.
I suggest we put H on ignore at this point. So tiresome.
Comment #413: WC said on 6/16/05 @ 10:05am ET...
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but C-SPAN2 is going to re-broadcast the DSM hearing tomorrow night (Friday) at 8:00pm. Spread the word!
-WC
Comment #414: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 10:06am ET...
The battle has begun!
http://www.thebattleforamerica.com/
Comment #415: paul said on 6/16/05 @ 10:18am ET...
Vyan, very nice article, altogether. Thankyou.
What i see is a situation where enough people with similar beliefs were put into enough situations to difuse responsibility for what overall amounted to lying us into war.
I think that analysis will have to borrow from approaches to investigating and prosecuting racketeering.
Comment #416: Ren said on 6/16/05 @ 10:18am ET...
WC, it doesn't matter cuz they can watch it live on the Internet at
http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS
Comment #417: WC said on 6/16/05 @ 10:19am ET...
RE: Comment #409...
So maybe Bush was right? He IS a uniter after all? (wink-wink)
Comment #418: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:19am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law.
Comment #419: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:19am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law.
Comment #420: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:19am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law.
Comment #421: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:20am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law and power.
Comment #422: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:20am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law and power.
Comment #423: kansasblue said on 6/16/05 @ 10:20am ET...
Did I just hear JC report that he has 122 Congressional signers for the petition?
Comment #424: Alyce Douglas said on 6/16/05 @ 10:20am ET...
Thank you so very much, to instill the honest truth and a explanation to these most damaging minutes. This administration must be held accountable for their actions, and total abuse of law and power.
Comment #425: WC said on 6/16/05 @ 10:23am ET...
Re: comment 416...
True, but some folks have complained that they don't get C-SPAN3, and others may have old-fashioned dial-up Internet connections which are S-L-O-W.
Personally, while the Internet broadcast would suffice, I'd rather watch it on TV...
Comment #426: Doria said on 6/16/05 @ 10:41am ET...
It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Thank you for being brave enough to light the candle. Let your light shine!
Comment #427: kim said on 6/16/05 @ 11:06am ET...
This is the first time I've posted on this blog, but I just had to thank you, Congressman Conyers, for all your efforts in this matter. My husband and I will be at the DNC overflow room (if there are any seats left) to watch the hearing and to support you as you walk your letter to the White House. You're a true american hero.
By the way, have any republicans signed the letter?
Comment #428: Jason in Wa St said on 6/16/05 @ 11:06am ET...
To John Conyers
A Representative of the people.
Thank You
Comment #429: RobK said on 6/16/05 @ 11:11am ET...
Ain't this America!? John Conyers blog attracts hundreds of posters a day and many more readers.
Today is a wonderful day! We thank Sen. Conyers for his tireless efforts.... I don't know where he gets the energy....maybe it's from you and me! God Bless this American!
I will be on the internet watching live. Is it true Fox won't be reporting it?
God Bless John Conyers and God Bless us all!.....and I'm a non-believer!!
Comment #430: Honey Hellfire said on 6/16/05 @ 11:14am ET...
This is my first, and will likely be my only post.
I had been a deejay on an internet radio show for several years, most of them were during Bush's 1st term. I had always had a passion for the US Founding Fathers & their original intentions for this nation. Upon studying them and the words behind the legacy they left for us, it was easy to see how this nation was growing futher and further away from their vision. It saddened me greatly, not just because of how the government was disregarding the vision of our forefathers, but because of the American people's ignorance (a general lack of education in that area) & apathy.
While it wasn't the focus of my show (it was, after all, a music show), I used it as an opportunity to share what I knew about why what Bush was doing was wrong, and tried to make people aware, but not enough people cared. After 9/11, many even became a bit offended.
Last year, I decided I was done entertaining people & hung up my proverbial hat.
With the release of the DSM, and the worsening situation in Iraq, I wanted to do something. I was itching, but in the back of my head, I remembered the apathy & felt discouraged; I kept putting it off... until you (Congressman Conyers) and your petition. When I saw how much steam it picked up so quickly, my faith in the American spirit was somewhat restored. Without a show on which to express these events, I began writing to the remainders of my fan club, friends & family, posting on message boards & newsgroups, etc. I figured if only 10 people let someone know, some of those would let some know, etc.
To make a short story long...
At the moment, I am glad that whatever happens, I know that I did something about it. My conscience is clear. Now, when I receive letters in return from others who signed & from those who tell me they would have never have known about the DSM at all had it not been for my letters, and thanking me for them, I know for certain that I made the right choice.
I want to thank you, and everyone else who has been aiding in the effort, for giving me inspiration & spirit again. Thanks for showing me that that fiesty American spirit is alive and well.
Very Sincerely,
Honey
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies."
Groucho Marx
Comment #431: Leslie said on 6/16/05 @ 11:27am ET...
Thank you so much for everything you're doing Rep. Conyers. You've become a heroic figure for me.
Comment #432: AJ said on 6/16/05 @ 11:32am ET...
Check out this new letter to JC from award winning journalist Greg Palast
Little of this will be new to a lot of you if you've followed Greg and his excellent work, but check it out.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=269&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
I don't want to spoil the party, but you know what? I think it would take a lot more than an impeachment of this entire administration to clean up the mess we're in, though it would be a nice start.
We need to look beyond this and work on a cure rather than treating the symptoms. A very tall order for sure, but this kind of crap will continue until we do.
serious campaign finance reform
revoke corporate charters of companies violating the laws
-especially wartime profiteers
media reform
enforcement of anti-trus laws
limit access of lobbyists
Feel free to contribute...
Thanks
Comment #433: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 11:34am ET...
Does anyone now what JC is refering to when he says he has some news that he is very excited about. Which he said he would discuss at Stephanie Miller's show
Comment #434: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 11:38am ET...
Sorry, typo does anyone "know"
Comment #435: denise said on 6/16/05 @ 11:40am ET...
Mr Conyers is my hero thank you
Comment #436: Mark said on 6/16/05 @ 11:41am ET...
As a Republican, shocked and dismayed by the cavalier attitude with which the President pushed an agenda of lies... I THANK YOU.
There are plenty of conservatives out here that know that this war was TRUMPED up. There are plenty of conservatives out here that wonder why merely asking the questions is akin to "aiding" the enemy.
Those that will not ask the questions and yet call themselves patriots are the true "lunatics". Shine your light and seek the truth Representative Conyers... and I hope that more REAL conservatives will join me in supporting you.
God bless.
Comment #437: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 11:53am ET...
# 436
Mark,
Well said.
All,
See! There are true Patriotic Americans in the RNC who do see the light, who are right wing hawks [not necesesarily Mark], and are willing to eloquently state as Mark did that there is something called the Constitution and the rule of law which lunatics should should be called to account for.
Mark, I hope others will have the chance to read your fine statements.
Plase contribute more and encourage others in the RNC to choose: Do they want the Constitution or do they want a Tyrant.
Please encourage more in the RNC, and the most right of the right to ask themselves: Do they want a Constitution or do they want a Tyrant? Mark, please encourage them to come in here, post, and share their views of "what they would like to see happen" and "what they want to the world to understand" about the memos and where we find ourselves.
Comment #438: Sleeping Tiger said on 6/16/05 @ 11:57am ET...
Congressman Conyers
You make us proud to be Americans.
In a time of bleak reality and political oppression,you are a bright shining light.
Your courage will ignite the flame of Our America that George Bush and his cronies had extinguished.
Once again I see a shimmer of light coming through the dark clouds that have covered America for far too long.
I offer you my personal thanks for all you are doing ,and I stand with you.
Give em Hell Sir ,they deserve it!
Hank ,you and your friends are part of the scourge that thinks what its doing is right. Shame on you and yours for mouthing that any one of us is responsible for the death or maiming of anyone.
You are the reason that we are at war . You are the reason that our young people are over there dying. you are the reason that this country is being hated all over the world. You are the reason that Fascists are in the White House. And I could go on and on ,but being as intelligent as you are you Know why you are the way you are!
PS: Hank I firmly believe what I know is true, How about you?
Comment #439: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 12:01pm ET...
Thank you Mark and Constant!
Comment #440: Judy said on 6/16/05 @ 12:20pm ET...
I'm curious, Why is Mr. Conyers refusing to have General Franks as a witness??? I am a democrat and am very concerned that this circus of Mr. Conyer's is going to create further embarassment for my party. We need to win 2006 and 2008 and I'm not sure this is the way to accomplish that.
Comment #441: Susan said on 6/16/05 @ 12:22pm ET...
Why aren't you big brave democrats joining the insurgency in Iraq??? Are you afraid or something?
Comment #442: Sleeping Tiger said on 6/16/05 @ 12:26pm ET...
#440 Judy
people like you and spineless John Kerry are the reason Im Getting out of the Democratic party.
Even though there are a few thinking Repugs,like mark for example,I would never consider becoming one of them.Independant Period !
Comment #443: Ohiodem1 said on 6/16/05 @ 12:27pm ET...
I support Nancy Pelosi's resolution demanding the administration account for a success strategy for ending the war in Iraq.
This does not go far enough. Someone in this forum in another thread suggested that the war be put on a pay-go basis, with each American chiping in an extra $100.00 per month to pay the war expenses out of current funds, and to end deficit spending for the war.
I propose to go this one better. I propose the repeal of ALL Bush Tax cuts until the War is finished and paid for. This constitutes an American tradition of sharing in the burden of war, and will get the attention of those who support the policies of the President in the only way they understand, their pocketbook.
Quit saddling our children and grandchildren with the burden of paying for bad policy by this corrupt administration. Pay now, pay as you go. This is the only President in American history who has cut taxes while our military is placed in Harm's way, and this President did not cut taxes just once, but at least 5 times and probably more.
If the people who support the President and his policies actually have to pay for the war from their own pocket, the war will end.
Comment #444: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 12:27pm ET...
Judy,
General Franks fully supports the criminals in the WH; he wrote a book all about it and promoted it during the RNC convention. At the current time Franks has not been willing to come forward because the RNC/Rove has effectively blackmailed him and his wife here in Tampa. Do not expect the General to come forward anytime soon until required by law. Also, please note no one has been 'refused' that is willing to come forward and speak the truth.
If you are 'embarassed' by the truth and are referring to the process as a 'circus' than what would you suggest to improve it?
Comment #445: Joy said on 6/16/05 @ 12:28pm ET...
Dear Congressman Conyers. Good luck to you today! I couldn't make it there but will be there in spirit.
Susan, why don't we want to go kill innocent Iraqis for Haliburton??? You're kidding right??? get a clue.
Hank go away.
Comment #446: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 12:29pm ET...
A tyrant's defenders like Hank make valuable contributions. [More . . . ]
Comment #447: newtonsminnow said on 6/16/05 @ 12:33pm ET...
Hank, you are not worth spit. Get off your retired (retarded?) ass and go fight in Iraq for the oil you and your kind love so much. Sacrifice your old self so that the young may live. There aren't many "hanks" among the 1700 plus dead or the thousands maimed for life in Iraq. The traitors are in the White House. Now we shall all no longer speak to "hank."
Thank you Mr. Conyers.
Comment #448: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 12:34pm ET...
Comment #443: Ohiodem1
I emailed my congressman (Young - Chairman of House Appropriations Committee) with a very similar plea.
His reponses have been vague, so I continue to email him every day.
Comment #449: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 12:35pm ET...
#441
Susan, your tyrant has already joined forces with the insurgency. That which he called "AlQueda" he is now negotiating amnesty.
This Tyrant dances with AlQueda, while he imposes Tyranny on those at home he says are "free."
How fitting that a Tyrant choose unwisely.
Susan, please continue your posts so that we might more quickly secure victory. And you are welcome to speak spiritedly. Bring to the table your finest warriors so that we might learn how to more quickly prevail over the finest tyrants!
Comment #450: Hank is Karl Rove said on 6/16/05 @ 12:35pm ET...
Do not address him. Do not respond or reply to him.
Comment #451: ljm said on 6/16/05 @ 12:39pm ET...
Mr. Conyers, I just read from the live blog with the London Times reporter who wrote on the DSM that the Geneva Conventions say you can't leave an occupied country unless they can govern and protect themselves. The Bush administration would know this and still they had no plan for after the war. We may be stuck there for decades. So much for Rummy and Cheney saying Iraq would pay for itself and no cost to he US taxpayer, really. So, they want to pay for it on the backs of the poor and middle class. Shame on all of them.
Comment #452: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 12:41pm ET...
# 450
No need to be afraid nor look down upon a tyrant's allies. Engage them now, practice your skills. It will make victory that much sweeter and secure.
Their defeat is inevitable as is air to life and dusk to dawn. Engage!
Comment #453: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 12:50pm ET...
Among those speaking at the rally will be:
Congressman John Conyers (schedule permitting); Congresswoman Barbara Lee (schedule permitting); Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey (schedule permitting); Congressman Maurice Hinchey (schedule permitting); Cindy Sheehan, Co-Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace; Reg Keys, Member of Military Families Against the War, challenger to Tony Blair in last election (flying in from UK); John Bonifaz, Co-Founder of AfterDowningStreet.org; Tom Hayden, Co-Founder of Progressive Democrats of America; Medea Benjamin, Co-Founder Code Pink/Global Exchange; Stephen Cleghorn, Member of Military Families Speak Out; Rev. Lennox Yearwood, President and CEO of HipHop Caucus; Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst; William Rivers Pitt, Reporter for Progressive Democrats of America; Leslie Cagan, National Coordinator of United for Peace and Justice; Kevin Zeese, Director of Democracy Rising; Terry O'Neill, Vice President of the National Organization for Women; Mike Ferner, Member of Veterans for Peace.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=155
Comment #454: Charlie said on 6/16/05 @ 12:56pm ET...
Hank,
You are the idiot swatting at the bee hive. All you do is piss us off somemore and make us find more creative ways to get the truth out and stop you people. It certainly seems that you are running out of "political capital". And Hank according to your philosophy we are all in grave danger, so what the hell why don't you go fight.
Charlie
Comment #455: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 12:58pm ET...
All,
There are 90 minutes until the hearing starts. Be proud of what you are doing.
Be sure to document all your observations, ideas, thoughts, and insights. Know that the world wants to hear and feel every scrap of truth that you might touch.
Share with all: What you saw, what people said to you, and what happened. So that history will know how a Tyrant was defeated by a free people.
Comment #456: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 12:59pm ET...
#454
Charlie,
Encourage him more to expedite his defeat.
Comment #457: Charlie said on 6/16/05 @ 1:00pm ET...
Susan-
Who ever said we were big brave democrats. We are tree hugging Hippies, remember?
We did not vote for Bush or this war either, so why would we go?
The answer is we won't.
But since your support is unwaivering for this war-mongoring president, why dont you go?
Woman are allowed in the military after all Susan. I would much prefer that if someones head is going to roll, it oughta be someone that voted for it, like you Susan.
In fact lets bring all the soldiers that didn't support Bush home and repalce them with the true beleivers that just wont stop drinking the Kool-Aid, people like Susan and Hank.
Charlie
Comment #458: Charlieq said on 6/16/05 @ 1:07pm ET...
Conatant #456
Nice link
Comment #459: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 1:10pm ET...
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
Where's the Plan on Iraq?
Thomas Friedman's column on Iraq in today's New York Times raises a couple of rather pertinent questions: does the Bush administration really have a strategy for a successful end-game? And if not, does anyone else?
It's increasingly obvious that the administration's happy-talk about Iraq--most notably Dick Cheney's claim that the latest upsurge in violence is the insurgency's "last throes"--is mendacious stonewalling of the worst kind. There are a lot of theories kicking around about the administration's actual thinking. One is the idea that it's simply waiting for the approval of a fully constitutional Iraqi government this fall before finally announcing an intention to begin withdrawing U.S. troops. Another is the belief, suggested by my colleague The Moose, that the Bushies have entered a full LBJ Vietnam mode, in which they are imprisoned by past decisions and are simply blundering ahead without vision or hope.
Either way, what should the rest of us think or propose? To be sure, most Democrats, whether or not they supported the original decision to to invade Iraq, have generally supported the proposition that failure to secure the country and create a decent opportunity for a stable democratic regime would be a terrible setback for America and its interests. And to be sure, Democrats don't have much responsibility for the horrendous series of misteps by the Bush administration that have led us to this unhappy juncture in Iraq. But simply calling for U.S. withdrawal on a fixed timetable unrelated to the political situation in Iraq, as many Democrats are beginning to do, simply compounds the administration's irresponsibility and reinforces the Bush/Rove/Rumsfeld argument that theirs in the only alternative to retreat and surrender.
Friedman argues that critics of the administration should propose "doubling the boots on the ground" in Iraq to shake up the current drift towards chaos and give the Iraqi government a once-and-for-all chance to force Shia and Sunni leaders to pick sides and commit themselves to a pluralistic democracy. Given the Pentagon's struggles to support the current level of deployment, I don't think this is a lively option.
But Friedman's demand that we all stop staring at polling data on Iraq and have a real debate on what we propose to do is salutory. If the administration is unwilling to engage in that debate, then it should be forced upon them by Congress and the country. My own small insight is that perhaps we should begin to make reduction of the American presence a political prize for all the factions in Iraq--an incentive for Sunni support of the government, and a source of credibility for the government itself. Perhaps that's where the administration is headed, but if so, they need to say so, to Iraqis, and to Americans as well.
The time for happy talk is over. Iraqis aren't buying it, and neither are Americans. It should be easy for Democrats--and increasingly, for many Republicans--to unite in a demand for a real plan. -- Posted at 10:30 PM Link to this pos
http://www.newdonkey.com/
Comment #460: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 1:11pm ET...
As a side note. C-Span 3 is currently covering McClellan's press conference as he continues to LIE and dance around the issues and refuses to respond to the Downing Street evidence.
Comment #461: Justin Case said on 6/16/05 @ 1:12pm ET...
Just want to let you know, Conyer's forum today can be streamed live at C-Span 3.
Comment #462: RALLY #1 PRAGUE - by Patriot Mary said on 6/16/05 @ 1:16pm ET...
Do I get a gold star or get to sit in the front row or get to go to the head of the line?
I walked in Prague, starting at the Old Town Square (Staremesto Namnisti), going across Charles Bridget to the Lesser Side (Malostrana). There were huge crowds pf tourists today, the weather was beautiful, bright and sunny.
I didn't get many signatures, because most people were leary of giving name and address to a total stranger and of course, we didn't have a known organization backing us up. So I didn't go to the Emhassy. I felt there was no sense in starting a security scare unless we went en masse, which wasn't the case.
But they were excited with the goings on and promised to go online and sign the letter. Nobody I passed had heard anything about any memos, so talked myself hoarse explaining them and passing out fliers and the memo.
A photographer came along with me and so I'll try to get some photos up in a few days. He's a film photographer, not digital.
Web site for Conyer's blog coalition - please list your web site or blog. By the time you have the rally, our domain name should have made it to the servers, so I'm going to risk it and publish it now. Please make note: soapbox4truth.org. Thanks Erik, I think it's really a clever one.
I'm really tired. Going to take a nap now so I'll be able to stay awake during the hearing and rally. Thanks be to God for the internet and streaming video!
Go for it today. Good luck, stay safe. Give 'em hell.
Comment #463: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 1:21pm ET...
Comment #462: RALLY #1 PRAGUE - by Patriot Mary
That's great news. Did Erik make it to DC okay?
Comment #464: Jonathan Gold said on 6/16/05 @ 1:22pm ET...
Please watch the 9/11 Omission Hearings chaired by Representative Cynthia McKinney. They will make you cry, but they will remind you what this is all about.
The 9/11 Omission Hearings
Comment #465: Katrina said on 6/16/05 @ 1:22pm ET...
Good luck Rep. Conyers. You make us all proud.
I see that three Republicans have spoken out against this war this week!!
Rep. Ron Paul (R.Texas), Rep. Walter Jones (R.N.Carolina) and Rep. John Duncan (R. Tennessee)
And now prominent Republicans in the House of Representatives are calling Bush a neo-con and demanding him to end the war in Iraq, ASAP.
Conservative House Republicans Speak Out Against Iraq War
Yes, the tide is turning ~ I think there will be more. Thank you, thank you, Rep. Conyers. With Republicans on board, the task will be easier.
Comment #466: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 1:31pm ET...
DSM: I find it curious how people turn to "the AP didn't cover it"-argument as a "reason" for saying nothing. [More . . . ]
I'd like to think that the media [however you define it] simply writes and reports on news, as opposed to waiting for "someone else in the AP" to write an article.
Oh, that's write. US Media isn't "covering" anything. They juts "cut and paste" what "someone else" covers.
DSM shows us that "Cut and paste"-oversight gives us Tyranny.
Comment #467: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 1:40pm ET...
Presenting the Petition and Signatures to the President: How the Rally today about DSM is like nailing Martin Luther's Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church.
Comment #468: cheryllocke said on 6/16/05 @ 1:44pm ET...
OK Guys & Gals,
Please quit wasting time with the Bush supporters that come onto this site. They don't get it, and they never will.
The rest of us have important work to do.
I just called the House Judiciary
committee to find out what the deal is on Conyers being blocked from the larger room for his hearing.
Apparently, Democrats were giving the "impression" that the hearings they were holding in this room were "official", with conyers being called Mr. Chairman and not "inviting" any Republicans to his hearings. There needs to be 1 Republican present to make a hearing official. When I asked for meeting minutes for this allegation, there were none to substantiate these claims.
So, Chairman Sensenburger has retracted the Dems privileges.
When I asked, again, for a concrete evidence of this. It then became "it was the Chairmans opinion." I talked to Andrew in Sensenberger's office.
This is the same Chairman that cut off microphones last week at a hearing. Because he didn't like the questions that Democratic members were asking.
So, please, everyone stop what you are doing, go to his web site at www.house.gov/sensenberger/contact.htm
Request, in email form AND with a Phone call to his office, that he resign as chairman for:
1. Conduct unbecoming an Official for last weeks microphone incident.
2.Gross bias toward his own party's ideology, thus dening Democratic members of the due process of hearings
3. Misuse of power for denying Conyers the use of the larger venue
to conduct his hearing, which denied American citizen's and members of the media attendance because of lack of room.
3. Obstruction of justice for not
participating in todays hearing, which indicates he is trying to keep this issue off the official record.
Call everyone you know and tell them to do the same thing.
I am going to get ahold of the media now to alert them to situation on this issue, given the fact that it all ties into the suppression of information concerning The Downing Street Minutes.
Thanks Guys
Ps GO! CONYERS GO!
Comment #469: ml said on 6/16/05 @ 1:54pm ET...
So what was the news that JC broke on Stephanie Miller's Show - wasn't able to listen.
Comment #470: Mark said on 6/16/05 @ 1:56pm ET...
I thank people that have welcomed me (a Republican) to this blog. I will lurk and comment where I feel it is appropriate.
I read a post by Judy, which followed shortly after mine. In it she asked why Conyers did not allow Franks to testify at this forum. I would like to say that Franks would have no information to offer this forum. Judy, generals administrate wars, they do not start them (in America at least). Franks would have had nothing to do with the suspect intelligence gathering. Franks was not on my television telling me that mushroom clouds and chemical spraying from drone aircraft was America's future if we did not act.
Now, if Conyers wanted to ask Franks about how $700 million in Congressional appropriations for the war in Afghanistan were illegal diverted and used to plan the Iraq war... I'd be all for it. It would make sense. But that little matter, I'm afraid, has been overlooked and long forgotten.
Don't diminish the efforts of Rep. Conyers, or make easier the work of those that would seek to squash a simple investigation into what is/or is not, the truth.
Mark
Comment #471: Dale said on 6/16/05 @ 2:05pm ET...
Yes, please do tell what the breaking news was.
Comment #472: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 2:16pm ET...
I had the same question about the breaking news
Comment #473: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 2:17pm ET...
My problem with Sensenbrenner's claim is it is basically a smokescreen by Dick Cheney...
Sensenbrenner should refuse to do their bidding any longer and join the resolution. He is not anyone's stooge, and if he acts like he is one, his own removal and defeat is imminent.
John Conyers has invited republicans to every one of his hearings, all the time, and commended their support. He still does, and there will be republicans at this hearing. Someone such as Chairman Lundgren, should forget what Sensenbrenner had done and join the hearing so we can subpoena Tony Blair's records.
Let's remember this joint inquiry will determine the future. Conyers has not lied about being a Chairman, he is the Chairman for the Democratic side just as Smith is Chairman for the Republic side. We need opaque, open testimony.
George Galloway, Joe Wilson, and others with direct information on the meeting events will be testifying at this hearing. We need to form a full resolution of inquiry, once and should Bush White House refuse to tell the answers to these questions. In that, Richard Dearlove and other British officials can be asked to go on record in Congress.
It starts with all of us, and no matter what we need to assign a special prosecutor once resolution of inquiry has begun.
Comment #474: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 2:53pm ET...
Watching the broadcast now on RealPlayer. It's buffering and cutting out quite a bit under the load.
CSPAN should be re-playing this on either 1 or 2 later today.
Comment #475: WC said on 6/16/05 @ 3:07pm ET...
#474:
A replay is on CSPAN2's schedule for tomorrow night (Friday) at 8pm.
Comment #476: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 3:18pm ET...
Thoughts as the Republican Party implodes. [ More . . . ]
Comment #477: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 3:26pm ET...
#475
Thanks WC. Is that Eastern (as I suspect)? I'm planning to Tivo it.
Comment #478: AdamQuestor said on 6/16/05 @ 3:27pm ET...
Dear Rep. Conyers
You are a true patriot and man of conscience in the very cloth of the Original American Founding Fathers. Thank You, Maxine, and all the brave and loyal Congresspersons and witnesses.
THIS is REAL PATRIOTISM. I am so very privileged to be listening to your presentation at this moment.
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Comment #479: ml said on 6/16/05 @ 3:39pm ET...
You can still "listen" at C-Span, even though "watch" is hopelessly cutting out
Comment #480: HANK said on 6/16/05 @ 3:43pm ET...
THIS IS IT?
A HANDFUL OF LEFT WING SOCIALISTS REPRESENTATIVES;
INCLUDING BAGDAD BOB MCDERMITT, THE SADDAM SUPPORTER;
ASKING JOE WILSON, WHO IN A DRUNKEN STUPOR BRAGGED ABOUT HIS TROPHY WIFE THAT WORKS FOR THE CIA, WHAT HE THINKS
AND ASKING ONE LOONEY ATTORNEY THAT THINKS BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED WHAT HE THINKS!
HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHH
Comment #481: AHNK said on 6/16/05 @ 3:45pm ET...
I HEARD CONYERS THINKS OUR SOLDIERS ARE NAZIS JUST LIKE SENATOR DURBIN SAID THEY ARE YESTERDAY.
Comment #482: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 3:50pm ET...
Hey Karl Rove/the REAL Hank
You better get your car clean out of town, I see they seem to be chasing you on CNN.....Where you going to go, where you going to hide? No wonder CNN won't cover it they're chasing you...
Ray McGovern just laid the smackdown on Dick Cheney everyone. He completely rebuked him, by playing a clip that showed Saddom's son had proven the weapons destroyed in July 1998. Everything else he stated that day was investigated and found to be true, including there being no WMD.
Ray McGovern played Dick Cheney's clip of him directly lying.....His apology can wear on his black heart. He just called him out on the floor.
Doug
Comment #483: AntiHank said on 6/16/05 @ 3:51pm ET...
I feel sorry for you Hank. You are so sheepish. Turn off O'Reily and get a few thoughts of your own.
Stop spreading false statements. You can't cover lies with more lies.
The truth will set us all free.
Comment #484: Lansing Bicknell said on 6/16/05 @ 4:01pm ET...
Dear Rep. Conyers,
I am not a constituent in Michigan, but live in Austin, Texas land of the modern Day Gerrymandering fiasco. Your constituents should be extremely proud. By electing you, they have given this country the one ray of hope for us all to bring integrity back to the executive branch. I applaud your courage and tenacity in pursuing the questions that the Downing Street memo raises for all Americans. I pray that the truth regarding how we went to war will finally come to light. As I watch the hearing you have convened, I am heartened to know that the truth may actually prevail. You can continue to count on me for support as you perform you elected service to our country. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.
Sincerely,
Lansing Bicknell
Comment #485: Jon Convers said on 6/16/05 @ 4:09pm ET...
I Thank you All for your wonderful comments, except you Karl Rove (ahem I mean Hank). Watch me live on streaming video now!
Then watch me walk to the whitehouse, I brought my walking boots...These boots were made for walkin' and they'll walk all over bush!
Comment #486: Kim said on 6/16/05 @ 4:10pm ET...
Thank you from my heart to all of the heroes: Rep. Conyers, Rep. Tubbs Jones, Sen. Boxer, Sen.Harry Reid and to the editorialists, bloggers, online and off line activists who are screaming and shouting out the truth and waking up this sleeping giant.
To the majority of the mainstream press: shame.
Comment #487: HANK said on 6/16/05 @ 4:12pm ET...
Doug Eldritch writes: "playing a clip that showed Saddom's son had proven the weapons destroyed in July 1998."
WHICH SADDAM SON WAS THAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE?
THE ONE THAT WOULD RAPE YOUNG NEWLYWEDS AS THEIR NEW HUSBANDS WERE FORCED TO WATCH OR THE ONE THAT LIKE TO HANG MEN AND MAKE THEIR SONS WATCH?
JUST CURIOUS WHICH ONE IT WAS THAT YOU THINK DESERVED TO BE BELIEVED.
ALSO, HOW COME CLINTON AND ALL THOSE OTHERS IN YOUR PARTY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM ABOUT WMD BEING DESTROYED?
JUST CURIOUS.
Comment #488: HANK said on 6/16/05 @ 4:13pm ET...
THIS IS IT?
A HANDFUL OF AMERICA HATING MILITARY HATING RABBLE BITCHING ABOUT IRAQ FOR 10 MINUTES EACH?
THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE WAITING FOR?
AHHAAHHAAHAH
Comment #489: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 4:14pm ET...
Haha your propaganda is pathetic, Rove. We can all see through it.
Oh yes, "Saddoms" son who raped families. That doesn't change the facts he told the truth. Investigations CONFIRMED he had told the truth about everything and that it was destroyed. This was in 1998. Ray McGovern was there.
Don't argue and play your stupid ass games with those who were there. They know far more about history than you, and always will.
Resolution of Inquiry BEGIN!!!
Comment #490: Hank is Karl Rove said on 6/16/05 @ 4:20pm ET...
Do not address, respond, or reply.
Pack your shit. You're fired!
Comment #491: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 4:21pm ET...
Actually, it was Saddam's son-in-law (Hussein Kamel, husband of one of his daughters) who was in command of the WMD programs. Saddam's own sons (Uday and Qusay) were the cruel and perverted ones.
After Kamel had defected to the West, during a debriefing he had said that Iraq's remaining biochem weapons were destroyed by his order shortly after the first Gulf War. There was quite a lot of corroborating evidence.
However, the rhetoric during the 90s continued to press Saddam himself for *verification* of this. That is what the inspections and resolutions were all about. It was to force Saddam to comply with the edicts of the global community, because we already knew his ability to wage war was reduced to nil.
Comment #492: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 4:24pm ET...
You are correct Ghengis, it was really his son in law, and it was proven and backed up.
The resolutions were to force Saddom to no longer seek to create weapons. They were NOT for anything else and so, Karl Rove is wrong.
Comment #493: geoman77 said on 6/16/05 @ 4:25pm ET...
Really digging the stream of speaking truth to power that this event represents on Pacifica (my US Air Force server firewalls out all CSPAN streams).
But wait!!! This just in - "Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured." Hmm, anyone want to guess what story might get bumped in the (so-called) Liberal Corporate Media tonight to make room for this proof that we are on the road to victory? How convenient. Do I detect the not-so-subtle Rovian invisible hand of the wizard frantically working behind the curtain? You're not paranoid, it's all true...
Comment #494: termite freepers are worried said on 6/16/05 @ 4:35pm ET...
This guy "HANK is one worried lil fascist. Hey "HANK" ever hear of the word "projection"? Think Freud.
BTW, get your "Caps Lock" key fixed....LOL
Comment #495: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 4:47pm ET...
Bush's irony.
Comment #496: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 4:50pm ET...
# 481
More memos surfacing from laptop computers in GITMO: How the Senate was right about the Gulags under American Nazis.
Comment #497: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 4:52pm ET...
BBC recognizes bloggers like you on this board who helped make this happen. Spread the word, the world knows what really got this going.
Be proud of your contribution!
Comment #498: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 4:54pm ET...
WPO transcript of a discussion on DSM eaerlier this morning. [Before the actual review this afternoon with Conyers]
Comment #499: Hank aka Karl Rove said on 6/16/05 @ 4:57pm ET...
People are dead because of this poor excuse of a human being.
Biography:
In the early ’90s, before we learned Governor Ann Richards was a lesbian, only the political cognoscenti in Texas knew Karl Rove’s name. Richards lost to George W. Bush in 1994, though before the race began, she had approval ratings in the 70s. She made the mistake of underestimating Bush, dismissing him with her signature-mark humor. She also underestimated Rove. And probably never believed he would dare to out her. The fact that she was a grandmother and a heterosexual provided her a false sense of security.
It didn’t stop Karl Rove then. And the truth is not something that is likely to get in Karl Rove’s way now. The campaign tactics Rove developed in the state that serves as the national proving ground for bad politics and policy suggest that there’s more to come for disabled swift-boat veteran John Kerry. And that he’d better respond, before he’s an entry in Politicalgraveyard.com.
East Texas was the political nut the Republicans had tried for years to crack. Culturally conservative, Christian, racially divided, yet historically Democratic in voting habits, Republican strategists saw it as a place where only African-Americans should have been voting Democratic. It was also the field-and-stream playground of the Dallas Social Registry. The Republican governor who preceded Richards, the owners of The Dallas Morning News, and the most prominent members of the old Dallas oil oligarchy weekended there at a racially exclusive fin-and-feather camp called the Koon Kreek Klub. The pun involving “coons” and KKK was hardly accidental, and provides some insight into the raw racial politics of the region.
George W. wasn’t a KKK fisherman. But he had a weekend place at the nearby Rainbow Club, which is as segregated as the old-line Koon Kreek, where memberships were no longer available when he showed up in Dallas. But the Bush family has never been racist. So it was unlikely that George W. would have agreed to play the race card. The queer card is another matter. That’s the card the Bush campaign played when a highly regarded Republican whom Karl Rove had helped elect to the state Senate spoke out about the sexual orientation of some women close to Governor Richards. “It’s simply not part of their culture, and frankly not part of mine,” the senator said of his East Texas constituents, “that [homosexuality] is something we encourage, reward, or acknowledge as an acceptable situation.” On the other side of the state’s Pine Curtain, the suggestion that the governor had gay associates was enough to create real doubts among voters. A whispering campaign that raised questions about Richards’ sexual orientation closed the deal.
No one ever traced the character assassination to Rove. Yet no one doubts that Rove was behind it. It’s a process on which he holds a patent. Identify your opponent’s strength, and attack it so relentlessly that it becomes a liability. Richards was admired because she promised and delivered a “government that looked more like the people of the state.” That included the appointment of blacks, Hispanics, and gays and lesbians. Rove made that asset a liability.
What worked to defeat Ann Richards in 1994 worked to defeat John McCain in 2000. As with John Kerry, McCain’s strength was his stature as a war hero. When he defeated George W. Bush in the New Hampshire Republican primary, the campaign moved to South Carolina — where Bush had to win to regain his credibility. In South Carolina, with its large population of veterans, McCain was attacked for his strength. The Republican senator faced a whispering campaign that implied that the time he spent as a prisoner of war in Vietnam had broken him, made him so mentally unstable he was unfit to be president. An ad campaign accused him of abandoning his Vietnam veterans after he returned home. Push polls raised the issue of his mental stability. He lost and never recovered.
Rove insisted he had nothing to do with it. Yet when Dallas Morning News reporter Wayne Slater reported that the attack on McCain was similar to what Rove had done to Ann Richards six years earlier, and to the Texas Democratic attorney general two years after that, Rove publicly confronted him, shouting and shoving on the tarmac in front of the campaign plane.
The White House is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act. So no reporter will have access to Karl Rove’s phone logs and appointment calendars, to prove the nature of his involvement with the Swift Boat Veterans’ attack on John Kerry. But few in Texas who pay attention to politics harbor any doubt that the Swift Boat attack against John Kerry is the work of the Bush political consultant with an office in the West Wing. The unanimous consensus of his political biographers — Jan Reid and me, who wrote Boy Genius, and Slater and Jim Moore, who wrote Bush’s Brain — is: Rove did it.
It’s the total Rove package. When a race is close, launch a collateral attack against your opponent’s greatest asset. (It’s best if it is tied to some truth: Richards had appointed two lesbians to positions of real power. McCain had been a POW in Vietnam. Kerry had served on a swift boat.) Keep your own candidate aloof from the controversy. Be persistent; if your opponent is explaining his position, he’s losing. And leave no fingerprints.
And denials notwithstanding, Karl Rove is always in complete charge of every detail and decision of his candidate’s campaign. Richards would never have been attacked without Rove’s plan to do so. McCain would have never been attacked without Rove’s direct participation in the planning. John Kerry would never have been attacked by Bush campaign surrogates unless Karl was in the deal.
Then there is the money.
Rove started his political career in Texas by building the first big Republican Party donor database, at a time when all the statewide offices and the Legislature were in Democratic hands. By 2000, Rove’s donor database and brilliant (if ruthless) campaign tactics had eliminated the last Democrat from statewide office. He did it in the Wild West of campaign finance, where anyone can write a check for any amount and the Texas sky is the limit. Now we learn that the first big funder of the Swift Boat ads was Bob Perry, who provided an early $200,000. Perry was the campaign treasurer for Bill Clements, the retired Republican governor who is probably fishing at the Koon Kreek Klub today. Rove ran Clements’ campaign — and pulled off a remarkable last-minute comeback in the polls by finding a bugging device in his own office and claiming that it was placed there by his Democratic opponent (though it was later traced back to Rove himself). Although he only recently made the national news, Perry is the godfather of modern Republican Texas, a Houston homebuilder who contributed $5.2 million to the state’s Republican candidates and political action committees since 2000 (according to Texans for Public Justice, which tracks political spending in the state).
Last week the other boot dropped. Texas oilman and corporate raider T. Boone Pickens contributed $500,000 to the Swift Boat campaign against John Kerry. Pickens is a seasoned Bush donor and a charter member of Team 100 — donors who contributed $100,000 each to Bush Sr.’s 1988 presidential campaign.
Pickens was here long before the Bushes arrived; he met Poppy Bush in the ’50s, when Bush showed up in West Texas to make his fortune in the oil patch. Rove came later. After reports in the Washington Post about an FBI examination into his clandestine school for young Republicans, Rove was investigated by the senior George Bush, then the Republican Party chairman cleaning up after Watergate. Bush concluded his inquiry and offered Rove a job in Houston.
It wasn’t virtue that Bush was rewarding.
Comment #500: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 4:58pm ET...
'London Leaker' gets the Deep-Throat Award...Saves Both Sides of the Pond From King George's Neo-Tyranny!
Comment #501: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 5:00pm ET...
Follow the money trail...
June 16th, 2005 12:49 pm
Bush's Top Aides Have Significant Wealth
By Nedra Pickler / Associated Press
WASHINGTON - They're on the government payroll, but some of President Bush's top aides have millions of dollars in stocks, real estate and other investments, according to financial disclosure forms released Wednesday.
Senior adviser Karl Rove saw his stock and bond funds rise in value last year to between $1 million and $2.4 million. He also earned between $2,500 to $5,000 in rent on a house in Ingram, Texas, that is worth up to $250,000 and reported that his wife, Darby, owns a Florida beach house worth more than $1 million.
In 2003, Rove reported that his stock and bond funds were worth between $725,000 and $1.8 million.
White House chief of staff Andrew Card has $1.2 million to $3.2 million invested in bank accounts, stock and bonds - up from $900,000 to $1.9 million last year. He also has homes in Maine and Massachusetts worth $350,000 to $750,000. Card, who has a long career in government, was a lobbyist for the auto industry in the 1990s.
Dan Bartlett, counselor to the president, has from $500,000 to $1.5 million in stock, bond and money market funds - up from $375,000 to $1 million the previous year. He also has land in Kerr, Texas, worth $15,000 to $50,000. Last year, he reported $375,000 to $1 million in stock, bond and money market funds.
Allan Hubbard, Bush's top economic adviser, reported between $5.7 million and $23.6 million in private equity holdings, limited liability companies and other business investments and $850,000 to $1.9 million in retirement accounts. He reported that his wife, Kathy, had $166,00 to $415,000 in investments. He listed $905,000 to $3.1 million in his children's assets.
Hubbard was a classmate of Bush's at Harvard Business School and became president of the Indianapolis-based E&A Industries chemical conglomerate before Bush appointed him as his adviser in January.
National security adviser Stephen Hadley, who also got his post after the election, listed assets held by him and his family worth between $3.3 million and $7.6 million. His holdings include money market accounts, CDs, investment funds, life insurance policies, a real estate partnership, retirement accounts and education funds.
Federal ethics laws require that financial information be reported only in broad ranges.
Comment #502: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:02pm ET...
FYI: Live blogging the hearings.
Feel free to point out any errors or omissions.
Comment #503: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 5:02pm ET...
Today's Stats:
AMERICAN MILITARY DEATHS IN IRAQ: 1714
AMERICAN MILITARY WOUNDED IN IRAQ: 12896
source: antiwar.com
IRAQI CIVILIAN DEATHS (MINIMUM): 22248
source: iraqbodycount.net
Comment #504: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:04pm ET...
White House still stone walling about Conyers letter and your signatures.
Comment #505: Patrick said on 6/16/05 @ 5:05pm ET...
Go get em Conyers! So Dam$ proud of you!
Hey, anyone know when we will have text of todays forum? I am at work :o(
Comment #506: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:06pm ET...
# 502
Here's another live blog of the hearing.
Comment #507: Sandra said on 6/16/05 @ 5:07pm ET...
Let's have our next hearing at the United Nations! Surely, they have a room large enough with microphones.
Email: inquiries@un.org
Comment #508: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:08pm ET...
Pic of Two heroes at the meeting today.
Comment #509: Matthew Cardinale said on 6/16/05 @ 5:08pm ET...
CONYERS FOR PRESIDENT!
Comment #510: WC said on 6/16/05 @ 5:09pm ET...
#477
Genghis...yep, EDT.
Comment #511: nonbeliever said on 6/16/05 @ 5:19pm ET...
I'm watching the forum now at work streaming C Span 3. I just wanted to say thank you John Conyers for your tireless efforts in defending this democracy. Were it not for people like you and Sheila Jackson Lee, I would've lost hope. You're a national tresure.
God bless you!
Comment #512: Thorne said on 6/16/05 @ 5:23pm ET...
How do we get Rep. Conyers the subpoena powers he needs?
Comment #513: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:27pm ET...
#512
Thorne,
Good question. My concern is that even if Conyers had all the power he needed, the FBI is going to thwart him. Their primary loyalty is to Bush and their own agency, not the facts or the Constitution. FBI has been Bush's terror-arm to dissuade others from speaking out.
Comment #514: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:31pm ET...
DSM: How bloggers moved faster than the White House. One point brought up has been the Bush pressure to stifle open discussion not just prior to the war but ever since he was first elected. Wilson addressed this point. Bloggers showed that free exchange of ideas can defeat tyranny.
Comment #515: ReformedRepub said on 6/16/05 @ 5:33pm ET...
Thank you Rep. Conyers for bravely taking on this un-American government. The Republican Party no longer resembles the party I once knew and respected. They have become a party controlled by extremists who are burying the USA in debt (borrow and spend!) and who have created a war of choice that did not have to be fought. Now we're stuck in a quagmire and for what? Every single reason fed to us by Bush was not only incorrect, but had been dreamt up or twisted by him and his cronies! Although I am not a Democrat, I am no longer a Republican.
Comment #516: Thorne said on 6/16/05 @ 5:33pm ET...
Unanamous Consent: Impeach the LIAR
Thanks you Rep. Conyers
Comment #517: Sleeping Tiger said on 6/16/05 @ 5:35pm ET...
#515
Welcome to the new America!
Comment #518: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:36pm ET...
#506, #502
Adjourned: 17:28; Third Live Blog.
Comment #519: DLD said on 6/16/05 @ 5:39pm ET...
Just finished watching most of the hearing, thank you Rep. Conyers, thank you. I feel the stirrings of hope in my heart that the truth of our involvement in Iraq will finally be learned and accepted, so boldly and nakedly that none can deny it. It is going to hurt, but we the people have to stop living a lie, aiding and abetting a lie, bending over for a lie.
Comment #520: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 5:40pm ET...
#513
Fortunately for us, the FBI has no sway over MI6 and the British Parliament. If not for them, none of this would ever have seen the light of day. The material is out now, and there are more than enough witnesses to corroborate it.
The next step is to put the pressure non Nonsensenbrenner to put this on the official House Judiciary Committee docket. This will require Senatorial pressure, so I hope that Senator Kerry gets off his ass and starts acting quickly.
Keep blogging, keep writing and demanding the US Press continue their coverage of this topic, and keep getting friends, family, and acquaintances involved in this grass-roots effort to DEMAND accountability from the Bush Administration. They claim to have "restored accountability to the White House", now let them prove it.
Comment #521: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 5:41pm ET...
DSM T-shirts
Comment #522: Katie Z. Farar said on 6/16/05 @ 5:42pm ET...
I just watched the hearing, and I am filled with hope and pride. Thank you, Rep. Conyers, and all the other courageous Americans who testified.
One thing...no flights in small airplanes, please!
Comment #523: Jennie said on 6/16/05 @ 5:43pm ET...
Going out now to get batteries for my smoke detector. But still proud to have signed your petition! Keep up the good work!
Comment #524: Marion said on 6/16/05 @ 5:51pm ET...
I'm a 20-year vet who supports our troops and the protection of this country. I am a businesswoman who supports fair business trade. What I cannot support is sending our troops to a manufacturered war, the killing of innocent people, and having our country run by the corporate world in cahoots with government aiming for global dominance by a facist rule.
Since the illegal election in 2000, I have watched in horror as our rights, democracy and respect have gone out the window with each act of the Bush Administration. I have also wondered how so-called Christian and thinking Americans can sit by and watch the murders of innocent soldiers and Iraqis continue while supporting the war and Bush.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Representative Conyers, for taking a stand on this most grave issue facing America today. For those of us with a conscience who truly love ourselves, this country and our fellow man, maybe we can look forward to sleep again when this nightmare is over.
"When you have no choice, mobilize the spirit of courage."
"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities . . . because it is the quality which guarantees all others."
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
"All evils are equal when they are extreme."
"There can be no existence of evil as a force to the healthy-minded individual."
"Evil is something you recognize immediately you see it: it works through charm."
"The love of money is the root of all evil."
Comment #525: Marion said on 6/16/05 @ 5:51pm ET...
I'm a 20-year vet who supports our troops and the protection of this country. I am a businesswoman who supports fair business trade. What I cannot support is sending our troops to a manufacturered war, the killing of innocent people, and having our country run by the corporate world in cahoots with government aiming for global dominance by a facist rule.
Since the illegal election in 2000, I have watched in horror as our rights, democracy and respect have gone out the window with each act of the Bush Administration. I have also wondered how so-called Christian and thinking Americans can sit by and watch the murders of innocent soldiers and Iraqis continue while supporting the war and Bush.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Representative Conyers, for taking a stand on this most grave issue facing America today. For those of us with a conscience who truly love ourselves, this country and our fellow man, maybe we can look forward to sleep again when this nightmare is over.
"When you have no choice, mobilize the spirit of courage."
"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities . . . because it is the quality which guarantees all others."
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
"All evils are equal when they are extreme."
"There can be no existence of evil as a force to the healthy-minded individual."
"Evil is something you recognize immediately you see it: it works through charm."
"The love of money is the root of all evil."
Comment #526: Patriot - aka Mary said on 6/16/05 @ 5:53pm ET...
#463 Sandra. I don't know if Erik made it to Washington. He won't be online today.
Question: Is the rally being shown on video stream? Does anyone know? I don't have a tv here, have to watch the rally on internet.
Soap Box 4 Truth
I watched the forum. Thank you, Mr. Conyers. That was awesome.
Comment #527: Karen said on 6/16/05 @ 5:54pm ET...
Dear Rep. Conyers; Add my love and respect to the love and respect of those 523 previous comments. You make me proud to be an American. Carry on and we will follow.
Comment #528: Mike said on 6/16/05 @ 5:56pm ET...
The hearing was excellent !
CONGRATULATIONS REP. CONYERS !
Hank, that thing you just got handed ? It's your rear end.
Best part: It's Just the Start.
WE WILL GET ANSWERS, NOT LEAST BECUASE WE DESERVE THEM.
Comment #529: Miriam Maxwell said on 6/16/05 @ 5:56pm ET...
I have been listening to most of the hearing on Pacifica (KPFA-Berkeley). I can't tell you how proud I am of you and all who are taking part in the hearing this afternoon. Your inquiries (both on the Downing St. memos and the Ohio fiasco) are so important. Thank you for standing up for what is really patriotic in the face of the Republican/Administration blitzkrieg.
Comment #530: Mike said on 6/16/05 @ 5:58pm ET...
btw, Repugs - nice try with the 11 amendments ...
Just gas on the flames, just gas on the flames.
Comment #531: Kira said on 6/16/05 @ 5:58pm ET...
Thank you Representative Conyers, sir, and to every one of the brave individuals who attended and spoke at the incredibly powerful hearing you organized today.
The fires are lit -- we must "keep agitating" as Maxine Waters said.
You are all heroes in our eyes! True American Patriots.
Comment #532: Mike said on 6/16/05 @ 5:59pm ET...
www.afterdowningstreet.org
Comment #533: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 6:03pm ET...
#518, #506, #502
Live Blog: Shakespeare Sis
Rumblings about Times of London wanting to take down Blair.
A study on the media coverage post-DSM. Has some charts and summary perspectives.
Going forward: Time to reflect on how things can be done better. [More. . . ]
What can bloggers do to do it better? In other words, despite the weaknesses of MSM, what can bloggers learn about our own coverage and what can be improved to build momentum and generate greater connections, access, and more informed analysis of the events?
The key will simply to search for ways to improve those things we can control: Better analysis, understanding, and seeing patterns in the available information to press for better oversight and solutions.
It's time to stop trying to "convince" anyone of anything, just start doing it better: With your blogs, share your ideas, and let's get this fixed and back under the Constitution.
Comment #534: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 6:05pm ET...
Mouses go marching on and on and on... CLICK THIS > Bush
Comment #535: Jonathan Gold said on 6/16/05 @ 6:06pm ET...
WH Press Secretary Mocks 'Downing Street Memo'
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000963228
Published: June 16, 2005 4:25 PM ET
NEW YORK With a hearing about to begin on Capitol Hill on the so-called Downing Street Memo, hosted by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), reporters at today's White House briefing by Press Secretary Scott McClellan naturally raised the subject, albeit briefly.
Rather than ask about details or implications of the 2003 internal British document -- which seemed to suggest that the Bush administration was determined to go to war against Iraq and that intelligence would be “fixed” to support it -- the correspondents wondered if the White House was ever going to respond to a letter authored by Conyers and signed by 88 of his colleagues asking for information about the memo.
A transcript of two separate exchanges follows:
***
Q Scott, on another topic, has the President or anyone else from the administration responded to the letter sent last month by Congressman John Conyers and signed by dozens of members of the House of Representatives, regarding the Downing Street memo? Has the President or anyone else responded?
McCLELLAN: Not that I'm aware of.
Q Why not?
McCLELLAN: Why not? Because I think that this is an individual who voted against the war in the first place [Conyers] and is simply trying to rehash old debates that have already been addressed. And our focus is not on the past. It's on the future and working to make sure we succeed in Iraq.
These matters have been addressed, Elaine. I think you know that very well. The press --
Q Scott, 88 members of Congress signed that letter.
McCLELLAN: The press -- the press have covered it, as well.
Q But, Scott, don't they deserve the courtesy of a response back?
McCLELLAN: Again, this has been addressed….
***
Q Scott, on John Conyers, John Conyers is walking here with that letter again, as you have acknowledged from Elaine's comment. But 88 leaders on Capitol Hill signed that letter. Now, I understand what you're saying about him, but what about the other 88 who signed this letter, wanting information, answers to these five questions?
McCLELLAN: How did they vote on the war -- the decision to go to war in Iraq?
Q Well, you have two -- well, if that's the case, you have two Republicans who are looking for a timetable. How do you justify that?
McCLELLAN: I already talked about that.
Q I understand, but let's talk about this.
McCLELLAN: Like I said --
Q Well, just because -- I understand -- but if you're talking about unifying and asking for everyone to come together, why not answer, whether they wanted the war or not, answer a letter where John Conyers wrote to the President and then 88 congressional leaders signed? Why not answer that?
McCLELLAN: For the reasons I stated earlier. This is simply rehashing old debates that have already been discussed.
Comment #536: Jonathan Gold said on 6/16/05 @ 6:07pm ET...
There's a "flip flop" in one discussion.
Has the letter been addressed?
"Not that I'm aware of."
Has the letter been addressed?
"Again, this has been addressed…"
Comment #537: Katrina said on 6/16/05 @ 6:08pm ET...
Post #502, Constant, thank you for the link to your blog comments. You did a great job. Oops, I'm assuming it's your blog. Either way, thank you!! :-)
I found this interesting, from the report in your blog link:
Ray McGovern - Third witness. CIA analyst.
He is showing some video clip on Powell and Rice saying before September 11, 2001 that there was no WMD in Iraq prior to the administration's case leading up to war in Iraq.
So, for the Hanks and other Bush supporters who constantly use the pre-Desert Fox remarks by Democrats that there were WMDs in Iraq. How come Condi and Colin Powell said, in 2001 that there were NO WMDs in Iraq? And it's on video!
Then they changed their minds, without any evidence, and said there were, enough to create a Mushroom Cloud!! Either they were lying pre-9/11, or after 9/11!
Comment #538: Seena said on 6/16/05 @ 6:09pm ET...
Congressman Conyers-THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! You are an American hero!
Comment #539: aspiemom? said on 6/16/05 @ 6:10pm ET...
Did you say mouses? I think you mean mice.
Comment #540: Jacques Graber said on 6/16/05 @ 6:11pm ET...
Dear Rep. Conyers
Thank you for stepping forth in the face of adversity and bringing the DSM into clear view. It has been too long listening to the lies and groundless deceits of the Republicans and the bizarre blind faith statements from folks like "Tim" and "Hank" .
I am proud to be one of those who signed on with the other 540,000 plus. And for those who think they're "only one individual". Think. There's only one atom, but billions make a person, one grain of sand but billions make a planet, only one star, but billions make a galaxy. "E pluribus,unum."
Comment #541: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 6:12pm ET...
"This has already been addressed" == the 9/11 Commission hearings.
However, those hearings were held a full year before the DSM was released.
Therefore, these questions have NOT already been addressed. Stalling from the Executive (just like the stalling on the 9/11 Commission) only exacerbates the problem from the perspective of the Executive.
Personally, I hope the Executive continues to stall, because it will only anger further members of Congress who WILL hold the Executive accountable (one way or another).
Comment #542: Where can I find a live streaming video of the rally? said on 6/16/05 @ 6:20pm ET...
From Patriot Mary.
Thanks.
Comment #543: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 6:21pm ET...
# 533 #518, #506, #502
Analyzing their crumbling armor. How they flee says much about what they left behind.
Comment #544: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 6:22pm ET...
Neo-cons have nowhere to hide from the > MIGHTY ((((MICE)))) - here they come to save the day!!!
Comment #545: Katrina said on 6/16/05 @ 6:22pm ET...
Great comments from all. To Reformed Republican, I just told my Repulican brother-in-law about Rep. Conyers' hearing and the DSMs today. He knew nothing about it. I'm sending him the info. He is angry and wants answers. He voted for Bush, but now wants the truth.
Tell your Repub. friends and family. Most want to know the truth. I am so glad he stopped by today! One more Republican who will not support a lying administration!!
Constant, you asked:
What can bloggers do to do it better?
How about getting Bloggers into the WH press corps? They would pressure Scotty to answer the questions! Lets get several of them there.
Marion, nice post ~ :-)
Comment #546: Kira said on 6/16/05 @ 6:26pm ET...
Thanks to MMIIXX for this:
Even MORE DAMNING than Downing Street Minutes ...
THIS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE "MEMO" DEMO >>>>>>>
With Congressman John Conyers about to hold hearings, coverage of the Downing Street memo is finally beginning to leak into the media. In contrast, we've heard almost nothing about the degree to which this administration began actively fighting the Iraq war well in advance of the March 2003 official attack--before both the October 2002 US Congressional authorization and the November United Nations resolution requiring that Saddam Hussein open the country up to inspectors.
I follow Iraq pretty closely, but was taken aback when Charlie Clements, now head of the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee, described driving in a Baghdad neighborhood six months before the war "and a building would just explode, hit by a missile from 30,000 feet -'What is that building?'"
Clements would ask. "'Oh, that's a telephone exchange.'" Later, at a conference at Nevada's Nellis Air Force Base, Clements heard a U.S. General boast "that he began taking out assets that could help in resisting an invasion at least six months before war was declared."
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I hope I'm not repeating something already posted here ... I admit ... I haven't had time to read ALL these comments! Rock On Folks!!
Comment #547: Kim said on 6/16/05 @ 6:29pm ET...
I watched the hearing today on C-SPAN 3 and I must say it made me proud to be an American again. Rep. Conyers, thank you sooo much for your courage in taking the action that may finally lead to the truth: this administration is THE MOST corrupt in American history. I have been heart sick since the 2000 election and today I saw hope. Thanks again and please don't let this administration get away with it. "We the people" are with you.
Comment #548: Michael said on 6/16/05 @ 6:33pm ET...
Rep. Conyers you are a profile in courage and the voice of true Americans. I thank you for you courage and pray that in time we will take down this evil man and his party. War for money is greatest evil. 20 % of Senate unwilling to sign lyning apology we have work to do and they hide like snakes in the grass unwilling to stand for their vote.They truly are cowards.
Comment #549: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 6:36pm ET...
Press badges? We don't need no stinkin' press badges !!! >
Have MOUSE - Will Travel
Comment #550: David said on 6/16/05 @ 6:36pm ET...
Rally is on
Comment #551: David said on 6/16/05 @ 6:37pm ET...
http://blog.radioleft.com/
Comment #552: John said on 6/16/05 @ 6:38pm ET...
Keep up the good work, John. Many loyal Americans believe in what you are doing. Don't let the chickenhawks dissuade you from this important work.
IF YOU SUPPORT THIS WAR, SHUT YOUR MOUTH, PICK UP A GUN AND GO. IF YOU BEAT THE DRUM, LEAD THE CHARGE.
Comment #553: Joe said on 6/16/05 @ 6:41pm ET...
Congressman Conyers -
I watched today in amazement. What I saw was inspiring. Like the founders of this country over two centuries ago, you sat down in a modest room and spoke out against tyranny.
Don't ever give up this fight. Bush hopes that the DSM will just go away, but after watching today, I know one thing for sure - it will NOT go away.
Thank you.
Comment #554: Michael said on 6/16/05 @ 6:44pm ET...
Conyers and Boxer 2008!
Comment #555: Mike said on 6/16/05 @ 6:46pm ET...
Joe (#553) - you got it exactly right.
" ... you sat down in a modest room and spoke out against tyranny."
Right on.
Let the record show that not one Republican representative was interested - but and & all were invited.
Comment #556: Ian Wilson said on 6/16/05 @ 6:53pm ET...
Rep. Conyers, I want to thank you for all you have done to bring the truth to the forefront of our national consciousness. The truth shall set us free...
Comment #557: Jerec said on 6/16/05 @ 6:54pm ET...
Mr. Conyers, thank you very much for your efforts. Hopefully, the DSM coverage and discussions will continue on.
Comment #558: Justin said on 6/16/05 @ 6:57pm ET...
Thank you Congressman Conyers. The American people must demand that this president be held accountable for the deaths of 1700+ of our soldiers, all based on a LIE!!!
Comment #559: Chris said on 6/16/05 @ 7:00pm ET...
1) This whole war is a farce. Bush claims we are there to protect us? From who? Iraq was NEVER going to INVADE the US.
2) If this fascist regime is to hell-bent on saving those who are oppressed, why are we not saving all the other countries with tyrant leaders or ongoing atrocities go to Amnesty News
3) Those who claim that anyone who has not been brainwashed by Bush and his croanies is un-American, let me quote a famous American, "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918"
4) Those who want to be in this conflict, I suggest you yourself go take the place of one of our young soldiers who think this war is wrong so they can come home and be with their friends and families. My brother in-law just had a baby and wanted to retire from the Army to spend time with his new family, but because of this war, he was deployed. He put in his time and showed nothing but loyalty to the Army, but now that he wants something for himself, that loyalty was not returned.
5) Is it that people like Hank and Tim and all the other republicans who support Bush are afraid of being wrong for supporting a known criminal or is it that you TRUELY think that Bush is right?
6) There is a possibility that without all those bills in Oregon, Montana, North Dakota, Utah, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Mississippi, Georgia and Connecticut and Delware that Bush would not be serving his first elected term.
7) Why has Bush never had to answer for his actions?
8) Clinton almost gets impeached for getting a little action in the Whitehouse and then not being open about it while Bush can get away with murder?
9) When did it become "un-American" to protest?
10) Since when did being against the president mean you were unpatriotic or a traitor? Bush is just a man and is fallible. He is not above the law as much as he thinks he is. It is time he faced the facts that he has killed many Iraqis and Americans.
11) Wouldn't that mean all those against Clinton traitors for the 8 years he was in office?
12) Democrats are not really against the troops. They are against Bush.
13) How can you trust a man who cannot even speak properly? Do you think it's cute? Do you think it's American to be STUPID?
14) Why is it that the world used to be more on our side and through the Iraqi war, we have lost a lot of ground and respect in the world's eyes, yet nobody, but those against Bush see that we are even more of a target for terrorism now that we have perpetrated these great atrocities?
There is a lot of injustice in this administration of lies and deceit. Thank you JC for finally taking a stand and asking the poignant questions that need to be asked.
Comment #560: Kertis Engle said on 6/16/05 @ 7:03pm ET...
Once in a while I succumb to the temptation of curiosity. Mea culpa. I have also relented to the urge to hang in front of you folks this indication of who it is that you are arguing with in this venue intended to provide you the opportunaty to express yourselves to this fine legislator, Rep. Conyers. An argument which renders this venue much less useful than it would be were that argument pursued elsewhere. With a tip of the hat to XMAN, the vicious circle created by trying to convert the opposition is the objective of those of the opposition who post HERE. The pourpose of this venue is not to convert the opposition, one by one, it is to confront the opposition, in Congress, through our representatives, with fact rather than repetition.
I understand, I am certian that Rep. Conyers also understands, that you have a deep emotional committment to what you are saying. Clearly (!) you do not want what is being advocated by Mr. Harwood and those of his ilk. As clearly, Rep. Conyers is not going to be bent to the opinion of the loudest. The attempt to be the loudest muddies this conversation to the point where it is very difficult to seperate the gold from the ore. How much of this can go on before Rep. Conyers decides that this blog was a bad idea?
Comment #477: Charles Judson Harwood Jr. said on 6/15/05 @ 6:23pm ET...
If I sign your letter to GWBush:
1. Will I be added to a White House enemies list?
2. Will I be added to the DoT no-fly list?
3. Will I be flagged to Customs? To seize my laptop computer, when I reenter the country from abroad, and copy my harddrive, all my CD-ROMs, all my books and papers?
4. Will I be targeted for harassment by the FBI? Who will interview my employer, my friends, my neighbors, my banker, my business contacts, my landlord? Asserting that I am a suspected terrorist?
5. Will the NSA be tasked to copy all my emails, phone calls, faxes?
6. Will my details be added to all nationwide police computers? As a suspect? With instructions for all police who stop me, to detain me, question me, search me?
7. Will the Secret Service be ordered to arrest me? If I be found in a town GWBush is to visit?
8. Will the CIA be tasked to disappear me? To destinations unknown?
Thanks for you effort.
But don't expect any help from me.
Your initiative is dangerous.
You are luring innocent citizens into peril.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Charles Judson Harwood Jr.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/
16/06/05 18:09:25, Kertis Engle wrote:
>Dear Sir;
>
>To paraphrase your comment ; all should, because of fear, surrender to
oppression.
>
>Do I understand what you said?
>
>Please write me and clarify. Please address also the mystery
surrounding whether you are;
>A/ an enemy.
>B/ a fool.
>C/ a coward.
>Please address with special care the justification behind an
Englishman inserting his (disgusting) opinion into an American
political discussion as if he were a member of this polity.
>
>Thank you.
>Kertis Anthony Engle
>(comment #452 same blog)
CJ" Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:28:53 +0100
Re: comment 477 & 484 on Conyers' blog
I'm an American, not an Englishman.
Your paraphrase of my comment is not my comment.
I'm not an enemy, a fool, or a coward.
I'm a teacher. -CJ
He is a teacher. Let us pray for the children. Let us also notice that he doesn't explain himself at all. I put this down to the fact that he wasn't on the blog at the time, where confusion would be of value to him. But of no value to any of us and least of all to our democratic process.
Some few of the comments posted here are of immense value. To you, to me, to our country and to the future. But which of them and how much effort required to focus on them? The pourpose of this venue is to enable you to experss yourselves TO YOUR REPRESENTATION, not so you can have a dogfight in his office.
A little self discipline would be of great value. Here is the test. If your message is intended for anyone but Rep. Conyers, this is not the appropriate place to post it. No finer example than this posting I am writing now. It is not aimed at the Congressman. It should not be here.
"Oh, but so-n-so said..." STOP RIGHT THERE. Do not be concerned that Rep Conyers will be bent by balony, instead be very concerned that when you feed a troll, you wind up with your hand in a trolls mouth, then the wrist, then the shoulder, then goodbye.
Goodbye.
Kertis Engle
Comment #561: Steve Buckles said on 6/16/05 @ 7:05pm ET...
I am from Kentucky and I signed your petition. I back you 100%.
Comment #562: Jo said on 6/16/05 @ 7:10pm ET...
Kertis Engle said: How much of this can go on before Rep. Conyers decides that this blog was a bad idea?
As a resident of Michigan, I could not agree more. What a spectacle.
Comment #563: Michael said on 6/16/05 @ 7:11pm ET...
High crimes= lying us into war and war profiteering Impeach the Bastard!!
Comment #564: RobK said on 6/16/05 @ 7:18pm ET...
Wonderful and inspiring forum, Mr. Conyers! Thank you so much!
Comment #565: Chris said on 6/16/05 @ 7:22pm ET...
This BLOG is a great idea!!! It is those who want to silence these voices who should be ashamed. If you don't like what is being said, go away. We have had to much silence in this country. It is time to rise up against the fascist tyranny who call themselves leaders and show those in power that they can keep us silent no longer.
Comment #566: Rachel said on 6/16/05 @ 7:26pm ET...
Thank you Mr. Conyers. I am so glad that in this day and age I have a government official that I can point to and tell my children "that is what a true Patriot looks like". You are an inspiration and a true American Hero. Thank you once again from the bottom of my heart.
Comment #567: Michael said on 6/16/05 @ 7:27pm ET...
Good Germans were silent. Silence will not protect you. Saying the truth will. "Freedom is sacraficed on the altar of fear". Kahlil Gibran
Comment #568: Joe said on 6/16/05 @ 7:35pm ET...
Did anyone see the Daily Kos post about Scott McClellan's press briefing regarding the Iraq insurgency? Read this and you'll see the propaganda machine at work:
-----------------------------------
Terry Moran vs. Scott McClellan on 'Last Throes' of Insurgency in Iraq
Q Scott, is the insurgency in Iraq in its 'last throes'?
McCLELLAN: Terry, you have a desperate group of terrorists in Iraq that are doing everything they can to try to derail the transition to democracy. The Iraqi people have made it clear that they want a free and democratic and peaceful future. And that's why we're doing everything we can, along with other countries, to support the Iraqi people as they move forward….
Q But the insurgency is in its last throes?
McCLELLAN: The Vice President talked about that the other day -- you have a desperate group of terrorists who recognize how high the stakes are in Iraq. A free Iraq will be a significant blow to their ambitions.
Q But they're killing more Americans, they're killing more Iraqis. That's the last throes?
McCLELLAN: Innocent -- I say innocent civilians. And it doesn't take a lot of people to cause mass damage when you're willing to strap a bomb onto yourself, get in a car and go and attack innocent civilians. That's the kind of people that we're dealing with. That's what I say when we're talking about a determined enemy.
Q Right. What is the evidence that the insurgency is in its last throes?
McCLELLAN: I think I just explained to you the desperation of terrorists and their tactics.
Q What's the evidence on the ground that it's being extinguished?
McCLELLAN: Terry, we're making great progress to defeat the terrorist and regime elements. You're seeing Iraqis now playing more of a role in addressing the security threats that they face. They're working side by side with our coalition forces. They're working on their own. There are a lot of special forces in Iraq that are taking the battle to the enemy in Iraq. And so this is a period when they are in a desperate mode.
Q Well, I'm just wondering what the metric is for measuring the defeat of the insurgency.
McCLELLAN: Well, you can go back and look at the Vice President's remarks. I think he talked about it.
Q Yes. Is there any idea how long a 'last throe' lasts for?
McCLELLAN: Go ahead, Steve....
Comment #569: sp said on 6/16/05 @ 7:36pm ET...
we all knew this war was a farce
now we have the evidence
next comes assinations
Conyers
don't get in a small plane
and write down right now
you won't shoot yourself in the brain
these lames
money
oil
and territory
its mostly Israel
you'll never hear that story
you gotta blow stuff up
to build it up again
its called the war economy
and its the grand plan
still elections, land, sand
and if you worried about an RPG
it won't be the economy
ben been in our pocker for years
and 911
hate to say it
was orchestrated where
the white house
everybody w/ any sense saw how bush
looked
c'mon be for real
as for Powell, I'm disappointed
lying so blatenly
but Satan see
he never wins
God is great and punishes
those who sin
impeachmment
oh no
not for these traitors
I say hang him and all his hynchmen
from Rove to Bolton, Connie too
and I'm black but so what
Wolfisshit, Rummsfeld, dickhead chenny
they all need to go
not in a jail cell
in a real warm hell
sending our troops to die
for black gold
just so Israel can have control
kids getting shot at by plutonium
shells
war planes dropping bombs
on their heads as well
Sadaam was a threat huh
but what about my library records
oh no, can't check out malcolm x
terror listed, my close fists get
ready to lurch forward but i calm
myself
hopefully more hearings
and then the media will play the truth
nope they are bought
the American public is stupid
especially if fox is number 1
see its all about money
its all about wealth
Mr. Conyers
don't go anywhere by yourself
this world is real and hitmen are cheap
but keep up the good work
we just might impeach this creep
Scott saying the same Republican
thing
"are we really talking about that again"
you God damn right
we deserve to hear the truth
you don't won't the truth
so all you do is lie,
lie
lie
lie
Cointelpro/ regime change from
haiti, to venezuela, to bolivia, to
wherever in the hell you want
Castro told you to kiss his butt
you embargo him
Sadaam made deals w/ Russie
you invade him
young black men like me
you just lock up
good job sir
i'm eager to see the white house
response
but remember be on the look out
Comment #570: Robert Jones said on 6/16/05 @ 7:42pm ET...
Is there a list of the Congress members who have signed the petition?
Thanks,
Bob
Comment #571: Genghis Khan said on 6/16/05 @ 7:42pm ET...
#562
Hey Jo; how does it feel to be the minority? Michigan is a blue state, so just STFU and let the majority rule.
Wow.. my first troll. I feel...
...unclean.
Comment #572: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 7:47pm ET...
You better stop lying Scott McLellaln....The takeover of their infrastructure is what you wanted all along...And it's not going well, it never was going well...
Lies will catch up with you and the shadow of evil always falls to the side of good....You will know what that's like...
Doug
Comment #573: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 7:52pm ET...
In the wake of the DSM-hearings, there's been some discussion within the RNC. Here's some preliminary feedback from RNC-like sources and analysis of how they are crumbling within. [ More . . . ]
Comment #574: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 7:57pm ET...
Our Esteemed Congressman Conyers,
Thank you for setting the American spirit free... You remind me of Vaclav Havel.
Comment #575: Jim Bush said on 6/16/05 @ 7:57pm ET...
Rep. Conyers, You are an American patriot in the truest, deepest sense of the term. You give us hope in these dark times. We are with you all the way. Keep shining the light of truth into the darkness of the lies.
Comment #576: Jonathan Gold said on 6/16/05 @ 7:59pm ET...
The Downing Street Memo Hearings Chaired By Representative John Conyers
June 16th, 2005 - The Capitol Building Basement
Click Here
And come say hi at My Website
Also, if anyone has any footage of today's rally, please let me know.
Thanks...
Comment #577: yogaqueen said on 6/16/05 @ 7:59pm ET...
My goodness, I think "Hank" is my GOP friend "Don" using a fake name.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, John Conyers, for giving voice to our concerns and not letting up.
Comment #578: yogaqueen said on 6/16/05 @ 7:59pm ET...
My goodness, I think "Hank" is my GOP friend "Don" using a fake name.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, John Conyers, for giving voice to our concerns and not letting up.
Comment #579: FYI said on 6/16/05 @ 8:00pm ET...
Just in case you don't know, C-Span 2 is airing the forum TONIGHT (Thursday) at 8 PM Eastern, 5 PM Pacific. Right about now.
Comment #580: Mike said on 6/16/05 @ 8:09pm ET...
Rep. Conyers and the good citizens on the side of truth should check out Constant's good notes - link at post #573 ...
Comment #581: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 8:12pm ET...
Jo,
John Conyers has his hands full saving America from the corrupt, lying criminals who are running this country into the ground. I seriously doubt he has any time to be concerned about anyone on this blog responding to the posts of right wing lunatics. Instead of worrying about this blog becoming a "spectacle" you should be encouraged that people are finally standing up and speaking out against these thugs masquerading as "patriots." They must be confronted whenever they crawl out of their sewer and spout their lies and delusions. Most posters ignore the nut cases and their ignorance, and I commend them. But some posters are sick and tired of remaining silent while outrageous lies are peddled on this blog, and feel compelled to respond. I don't blame them. America is in this mess because too many good Americans have remained silent for far too long. Well those days are over. Led by John Conyers, we have lit a fire under the disgraceful main stream media, and we are going to take our country back. We cannot humbly ask the right wing give us our country back, and then say thank you when they kick our teeth in. We are going to have to TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. That is not going to be achieved by being polite and courteous. John Conyers' blog is not a "spectacle," it is the front line in this battle we must fight for the heart and soul of America. If you want peace and serenity, go visit a cemetery.
Comment #582: Constant said on 6/16/05 @ 8:13pm ET...
#560, 562
All,
Sorry to hear that things aren't going well for those posting at 560/562. I did some checking for you.
It looks as though someone named Charles has stirred things up. I did some looking at his background and came up with a curious finding.
He was concerned about "what might happen" if he signed the petitin. Strange, he later admitted that he's a voter. There's alot more. [ See Read posts # 487 and 515 on the previous page]
If you find out who is posting at #560/562 please invite them back and let them know they're not alone in their concern for Charles.
Comment #583: Jennie Floyd said on 6/16/05 @ 8:18pm ET...
Mr. Conyers:
You are a true American hero.
God bless you, and keep up the great work. The truth will win out!
Comment #584: Jo said on 6/16/05 @ 8:26pm ET...
Genghis Khan being in the minority doesn't mean I have to "stfu" as you should well know.
Comment #585: Elcee said on 6/16/05 @ 8:44pm ET...
Thank you. What more can be said than what almost 600 people have said before me. Good luck with the hearing and let's hope that the media will report the truth and report it with force. Freedom of speech and truth have been lost to us all since GWB arrived on the scene.
I'm with you! go for it Mr. Conyers!
Comment #586: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 8:47pm ET...
And what of the American journalists?
To THE Courageous Journalists on the Iraqui war front, there are no words that I could ever express that would match the nobleness of you risking your lives everyday....But for these laptop couch potatoes back in the States , you USED to be "watchdogs" for the people, but you left your posts, and the Bloggers had to VOLUNTEER to do your jobs for you. You used to be paid to be Journalists, but now you are paid to be Sensationalists. I know more about Brad Pitt than I do about Karl Rove... The only one who bothered to inform me was Michael Moore. If Michael Moore could afford to make more movies than Tom Cruise gets paid to make them, then Americans would have Truth instead of Mush.
Comment #587: Joe said on 6/16/05 @ 8:55pm ET...
Does anyone have any news regarding the delivery of the petition by Conyers to the White House? I wasn't sure when exactly that was supposed to occur today. If anyone has any news/pictures of that (or the planned rallies), I would appreciate seeing it.
Thanks,
Joe
Comment #588: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 9:02pm ET...
John Conyers and honorable patriots, let the record show this....
Real biological weapons of terror used against Iraq:
"American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.
Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.
Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defence minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.
But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position.""
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397
Under the WAR CRIMES statute and other clauses, there is no matter of punishment that can accurately prescribe the remedy to the severe depravity this has caused. In the lives of families and their children, who suffer from radiation and prolonged genocide.
Doug
Comment #589: Vito said on 6/16/05 @ 9:20pm ET...
This should be a non-partisan issue. Whether one is Democrat or Republican, they should have the COURAGE to stand up for TRUTH. Bush
needs to be held accountable if he
insulted the intelligence of the American people.
Comment #590: willymack said on 6/16/05 @ 9:23pm ET...
To all & sundry: We need to get past the overblown emotion and hateful vitriol on this issue. Let's see how things play out before calling people names. Sure, we know the bushies are a bunch of degenerate scumbags who should be in prison, and...OOPSIE!
Comment #591: Jennifer said on 6/16/05 @ 9:25pm ET...
God bless you, Honorable Congressman John Conyers. You are a brave man.
As for you who have nothing better to do than pick verbal fights behind the shield of your computer and a nickname, use your time constructively! If you are so convinced we're wrong and you're right, don't just sit there on your hinder typing rudeness on your computer. Take a meal to a precious veteran who served in WW2, Korea, or Vietnam. Visit a VA hospital--you might find people who will smile and agree with you. As for the rest of us, I can fairly safely place us into two categories: 1) those who don't care what you think, and 2) those who are happy you're so upset with us. Count me a little of both!
GOD BLESS THE THINKERS OF OUR WORLD! GOD BLESS CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS!
Comment #592: Kathleen Eschenburg said on 6/16/05 @ 9:47pm ET...
Thank you, Sir.
Watching the hearings today, I cried--and yet, because of your leadership, I can still hope for this country and the future my children will inherit.
There are no words to express how much that means to us "little people" who love our country and fight against this oppressive sense of futility against the ongoing power grab of the current administration and their minions.
Comment #593: Jim said on 6/16/05 @ 9:53pm ET...
Well done today Mr Conyers. Take a few days off and relax. We need you for the fights coming up.
Comment #594: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 10:00pm ET...
I am dissapointed with the media. Don't you all think CNN could have broken out of the endless crap between Larry King and nutzo Billy Grahm to discuss DSM. Any agreement. Or did I miss the news today.
Comment #595: aspiemom said on 6/16/05 @ 10:02pm ET...
Come listen to a story 'bout a man named Jeb,
Rich Floridian, and a brother who's prez
And then one day he was throwing out some food,
And that neo-con stuff that's up to no good:
OIL that is , BLACK GOLD , IRAQUI TEA.
Well , the first thing you know , ole Jeb's a kazillionaire,
And his kinfolks say "Jeb, move away from there".
They said "Pennsylvania Ave's the place you oughta be!"
So he packed up his limo and moved to D. C.
White House, that is , neo-con lights and that guy Karl...
Comment #596: Steve said on 6/16/05 @ 10:05pm ET...
Thank you Rep. Conyers!
Comment #597: Dave said on 6/16/05 @ 10:07pm ET...
Thank you Rep. Conyers!
Comment #598: Rusty said on 6/16/05 @ 10:47pm ET...
Since there's nothing in the DSM about Bush abducting a white woman or about Laura being a runaway bride, the media has had little interest in the DSM. The media doesn't care that Bush has stolen two elections, is poisoning the whole planet, losing the war on terror, and betraying everything America stands for. By MSM standards, Bush is a nice clean-cut all-American boy who hasn't abducted a white woman even once, so he is obviously our shining prince on a white horse, leading America to its heavenly reward.
Comment #599: Doug Eldritch said on 6/16/05 @ 10:59pm ET...
So let them go down with it, the treason of the Corporate Media....They aren't mainstream.
We out here are the new media....Force them all to go down as they continue to bankrupt themselves.
Besides, if they keep coming back and forth on the meetings, then it at least gets some coverage. Some credability to their torn up name.
Doug E.
Comment #600: Judi said on 6/16/05 @ 11:02pm ET...
Thank you so much for your determination and leadership. I am so proud to be a name on that petition.
Comment #601: Joan Grenier said on 6/16/05 @ 11:12pm ET...
Dear Congressmen Conyers,
A heartfelt thank you. The history books will show what a patriot you are even if Fox News doesn't what to cover your courageous and historic efforts to bring democracy back to our beloved country.
Sincerely,
Joan Grenier
Comment #602: Ellen L. Grannis said on 6/16/05 @ 11:56pm ET...
I was very pleased to see the meeting broadcast on c-span2 tonight. Your panel of Wilson, Bonifaz, McGovern and Sheehan was excellent. Thank you so much for all that you are doing.
Finally, after all these months, I have hope that we can wrest this country from an administration whose focus is not on the welfare of the citizens.
Thank you, also, for your efforts on the voting issue.
You are awesome.
Ellen L. Grannis
Comment #603: St Pancake Corrie said on 6/17/05 @ 12:55am ET...
OOOOHHHH>>>from hell I see you ant-American assholes down here with meeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Comment #604: St Pancake Corrie said on 6/17/05 @ 12:56am ET...
OOOOHHHH>>>from hell I see you ant-American assholes down here with meeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Comment #605: St Pancake Corrie said on 6/17/05 @ 12:58am ET...
OOOOHHHH>>>from hell I see you anti-American assholes down here with meeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Comment #606: St Pancake Corrie said on 6/17/05 @ 1:00am ET...
OOOOHHHH>>>from hell I see you anti-American assholes down here with meeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Comment #607: St Pancake Corrie said on 6/17/05 @ 1:18am ET...
conyers is a fucking hounddog faced Anti-American ..like durbin and all of the rest of the hate America 1st du.ers...you would rather were a burka then wave a flag you scumbags...
Comment #608: Dr. Howard Dean said on 6/17/05 @ 1:19am ET...
Clinical Diagnosis:
Displaced Anger.
Everyone has been lied to and has no where to go to vent; except this blog apparently.
Recommended Pharmaceutical:
Xanax
Comment #609: Dr. Howard Dean said on 6/17/05 @ 1:28am ET...
Clinical Diagnosis: I'm a fucking nutcase...I wanna fight..lets fight c'mon I'm from Vermont I was guv...I will stuff a granola bar up your ass..AAAARRRRRAAAAGGGHHH
Comment #610: Dr. Howard Dean said on 6/17/05 @ 1:38am ET...
I wanna fight everyone..even that scumbag hounddog conyers......WHERE'S MY WHISKEY AND ZANAX..I'M THE BULL GOOSE LOONEY OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AND DON'T FORGET IT CONYERS...AND YOU TO TURBIN...AHH DURBIN.....LET'SD FIIIIIIGHHHHH!!!!
Comment #611: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:10am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #612: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:10am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #613: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:10am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #614: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:10am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #615: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:10am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #616: MIchelle Malkin said on 6/17/05 @ 2:11am ET...
I see that the only way the rightards can fight back against all the evidence that is leading to their idol's downfall is by
spamming and writing messages under false names. This is an
indication of just how desperate they have become. Bush is on the way out. He is going to be impeached for high crimes and,
hopefully, treason. I hope he spends the rest of his evil, greedy life in prison sharing his
cell with his puppeteer Cheney.
Comment #617: Kertis Engle said on 6/17/05 @ 3:33am ET...
Dear (I really,really mean that) Congressman;
Do please take very good care of yourself.
My view is that solid evidence of bent intelligence is what is needed to go to Impeachment. Nothing less, but nothing more. Your lawyers may disagree,but I think this is all we want to see.
On another topic, well, maybe it is the same topic, Please ask a staff menber to review a transcript of the latest edition of Coast to Coast AM with Goerge Noory. It is a case of serendipity.
I appreciate the opportunaty to make these comments.
Kertis Engle
Comment #618: brian said on 6/17/05 @ 4:06am ET...
The fascists are frightened.. Be careful, and watchful my fellow true patriots (those skeptical of an individual's motives, trusting in the checks and balances of the Constitution, oaths, that kind of stuff)..
They're going to launch another terror attack to up their polling numbers!
WATCH OUT!
CARRY A CAMCORDER!
Comment #619: Judy Devlin said on 6/17/05 @ 4:08am ET...
Bravo Sir! You are an exceptional American and I am proud to stand with you!
Comment #620: GrayWolf said on 6/17/05 @ 4:09am ET...
To hank:
If I were you, I'd run for cover little white racist boy! If this was the 1800's I'd sclap ya and cut ya into little ity bity pices! You white KKK, CCC christian bigot unhuman human waste that should be tried for treason!
That's what I think about human waste like you! You fricking little coward hank, you won't even list your email address. Go hide behind your mothers dress, cowardess traitor to the U.S. Constitution. Your number is:666 just like bushco.
Sorry Mr. Conyers for using your Blog to make my statement about bigots like little boy hank and others like him.
Thank You Representative Conyers, From a Native American Indian living in the Northwest
Comment #621: GrayWolf said on 6/17/05 @ 5:00am ET...
To little boy hank:
What's the matter little white bigot boy! Why don't you list your true email address? Little white bigot boy afraid to give his email address so we can send him some good ol nazi viruses to hack his pucking little computer.
I'd do to you what you fucking white bigots did to my ancesters.
Get the hell out of my land.
Comment #622: Hank#2 said on 6/17/05 @ 8:07am ET...
Hank please change your name to something more appropriate like Karl or Ann or Michelle or Shawn or Bill or Rush. You a freaking disgrace to the rest of the Hanks in the world. And I dont believe you are an old man. Just a chickenhawk.
Comment #623: Spirit of '76 said on 6/17/05 @ 10:54am ET...
I was at the historic and exciting peace/truth rally across from the White House yesterday and heard Rep. Maxime Waters call Bush a liar; Rice a liar and Cheney a liar and a thief. That was the sentiment of all of us. Messages on signs included "BUSHAME on you:
you lied, they died". Tom Hayden said there was something in the air that reminded him of the beginning of the end of the War in Vietnam. The sky was blue and the wind was strong. It was the Spirit of '76. May it blow through this land and blow Bush and his corrupt regime out of power!
Comment #624: Peter said on 6/17/05 @ 12:52pm ET...
Thank you!!!
Thank you!!!
Thank you!!!
Comment #625: Chris said on 6/17/05 @ 2:00pm ET...
So, any news on the rally yesterday? I have been having a hard time find stories on the impact and comments on yesterdays rally. I need non-blog sites please because my work filters those out as personal pages.
Comment #626: Serelda said on 6/17/05 @ 2:12pm ET...
Thank you, sir, for your courage and your true patriotism. The hearing was stunning to watch and I hope it was only the first of many. It's long past time to expose the traitors and bring an end to the shame they have brought upon this country.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Comment #627: Ellison Horne said on 6/17/05 @ 3:20pm ET...
Thank you, Mr. Conyers. History is being made. As an African American, I'm especially proud to see you and others coming forward, leading the nation as a true patriot.
This "Downing Street Memo" published in the London Times and other British reports such as the BBC broadcast of Adam Curtis' investigative documentary "The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear", show the power of good, solid, investigative journalism can empower people to take right action.
Sadly, here in the United States, there has been little investigation, or even questioning, by our major news sources or even our government officials, of the actions of this White House administration.
A plan by this White House has been in full view on the Internet for a number of years, yet few Americans know about the Project for the New American Century, how it came about and who is behind it. Indeed, it is the roadmap this White House is following. Why hasn't our news media and government officials investigated this manifesto for world domination?
Mr. Conyers, keep this up because so many Americans are behind you. As many others learn about the questionable intentions of this White House administration, they too will indeed appreciate your leadership as well.
Few people in this nation even know about the powerful words spoken by members of the Congressional Black Caucus on the eve of the invation. Here now, for others to learn and appreciate, are excerpts of the words spoken by Rep. Maxine Waters, at that momentus occasion:
"How did we get to this point? How did we get to the point where all diplomatic efforts have been abandoned? How did we get to the point where we have some 250,000 to 300,000 young men and women in Kuwait, in Qatar and on the sea awaiting the order to strike? Where did it all break down? How did we lose our allies? What made France and Russia and Germany and even China decide that they could not stand with the President of the United States in a second resolution?….
We listened very carefully as our Secretary of State described sheds and operations where weapons were being developed only to discover that they were old and dilapidated, full of dust with no electricity. As there was an attempt to document why we had to have this preemptive strike, we found each day that the representations were less than factual. As a matter of fact, our own intelligence community headed by the CIA said that they could not find in Iraq that which was being described by our own Secretary of State…
Mr. President, you cannot substitute a preemptive strike on Saddam Hussein for finding the terrorists. We want the terrorists to be found….
We want to secure the homeland. We are worried that you have been diverted, that you are about to do this preemptive strike without the documentation….
Yes, every country should be able to defend itself, but we are in no danger from Iraq. As a matter of fact, that is probably one of the weakest points on the globe for us to attack. We are not threatened by Saddam Hussein….
What we see and we are witnessing is the mismanagement of America. Someone today criticized Senator Daschle because he talked about the diplomatic disaster. Mr. President, it is a diplomatic disaster. We are watching before our very eyes the mismanagement of our beloved country. Our schools are falling apart. You said you wished to leave no child behind, but, Mr. President, you have not funded assistance to education that will have our children in the best possible situations where they can learn. Our health care system has fallen apart. In my city, in my county we are closing healthcare clinics. We are closing hospitals….
Mr. President, you are not able to tell us what this war is going to cost and what the cleanup, what the revitalization, the reconstruction of Iraq is going to cost. The American people need to know where our dollars are going. The American people need to understand the cost of this war and why….
Mr. President, we must raise these questions. We must raise these questions because we are patriots. We are folks who love this country. We are folks who have stood by this country no matter what, and we will continue to stand by this country. We will continue to stand by our soldiers. But, Mr. President, you are going to have to account for the leadership that you are giving, and I say to you and all those who are advising you, be it Wolfowitz, be it Secretary of State Colin Powell, be it Condoleezza Rice, be it Karl Rove, or any of those in the inner circle, you are going to be held responsible for what takes place in this world, what takes place with this preemptive strike, what takes place with our soldiers and our families….
It is not too late, Mr. President. We will all stand up and applaud you if you do the courageous thing of saying, yes, we deployed; yes, we spent billions of dollars to do it; but we do not have the allies, we cannot afford the costs, and we cannot afford the loss of lives. I am going to bring our soldiers home.
We will stand with you and praise you and applaud you and say you are a great man. Unless you can do it that way, Mr. President, you are going to have to accept the responsibility."
Again, my deepest thanks, Mr. Conyers. The future is calling us to the rescue.
God bless us all.
Ellison Horne
Comment #628: Bill Clinton said on 6/17/05 @ 3:51pm ET...
You people will believe anything the British tabloids print. They couldn't beat us in the Revolutionary War, adn they won't beat us with cheesy conspiracy theories.
Comment #629: Bill Clinton said on 6/17/05 @ 3:51pm ET...
You people will believe anything the British tabloids print. They couldn't beat us in the Revolutionary War, adn they won't beat us with cheesy conspiracy theories.
Comment #630: Bill Clinton said on 6/17/05 @ 3:52pm ET...
You people will believe anything the British tabloids print. They couldn't beat us in the Revolutionary War, adn they won't beat us with cheesy conspiracy theories.
Comment #631: Bill Clinton said on 6/17/05 @ 3:52pm ET...
You people will believe anything the British tabloids print. They couldn't beat us in the Revolutionary War, adn they won't beat us with cheesy conspiracy theories.
Comment #632: Grandpa Eddie said on 6/17/05 @ 5:09pm ET...
Dear Rep. Conyers,
Thank-you so very much for all the hard work and time you and all the others have put into this. You are a true Patriot. I wish you were a Rep. from my state instead of the look-alike Joe Macarthy fool we have. You know the one, that fascist Sensenbrenner. What an embarressment he is to Wisconsin.
This is for Hank the Bushevik hack (from comment#400)... if anyone is a MORON it's you for believing all the B.S. lies put out by Bush and his fascist buddies! If you like this war so much, why don't you go? I hear the millitary is hard-up for warm bodies...so hard-up they won't care how old you are!
NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL!!!
NO MORE BLOOD FOR BUSH!!! (Well maybe his daughters)
Comment #633: Ellison Horne said on 6/17/05 @ 5:34pm ET...
Mr. Conyers,
In support of the DSM, here is additional material worthy of public attention and reflection.
On October 27, 2003, the Minneapolis Star Tribune published this article by Ronald Bosrock: "The Project for the New American Century: Why American business should care"
http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4172267.html
This article will give people a sound introduction to what PNAC is and what it may well mean.
Mr. Bosrock holds the John H. Myers Chair of Management at St. John's University.
The website for Project for the New American Century may be found at:
www.newamericancentury.org
And here is an amazingly prescient quote from the past:
"What worries me deeply…is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line."
- Jim Garrison
PB Interview – 1967
And last, the words Garrison refers to from President Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation:
http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/farewell.htm
Eisenhower and Bush--both two-term Presidents; both Republicans; one says the military serves the nation, the other says the military IS the nation.
In his farewell address, Eisenhower says:
"Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield."
More than ever, we must learn the lessons and teachings from the past.
The future is calling us to the rescue.
Ellison
Comment #634: Ellison Horne said on 6/17/05 @ 5:35pm ET...
Mr. Conyers,
In support of the DSM, here is additional material worthy of public attention and reflection.
On October 27, 2003, the Minneapolis Star Tribune published this article by Ronald Bosrock: "The Project for the New American Century: Why American business should care"
http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4172267.html
This article will give people a sound introduction to what PNAC is and what it may well mean.
Mr. Bosrock holds the John H. Myers Chair of Management at St. John's University.
The website for Project for the New American Century may be found at:
www.newamericancentury.org
And here is an amazingly prescient quote from the past:
"What worries me deeply…is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line."
- Jim Garrison
PB Interview – 1967
And last, the words Garrison refers to from President Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation:
http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/farewell.htm
Eisenhower and Bush--both two-term Presidents; both Republicans; one says the military serves the nation, the other says the military IS the nation.
In his farewell address, Eisenhower says:
"Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield."
More than ever, we must learn the lessons and teachings from the past.
The future is calling us to the rescue.
Ellison Horne
Comment #635: Robin said on 6/17/05 @ 6:58pm ET...
Mr. Conyers you are truly a statesman in every sense of the word. These days you make me very proud to be an American. I pray that all of your hard work has the outcome that it should...with GWBush impeached. I live in Texas and have had my fill of this man. I would love to see that arrogant smirk wiped off his face when he is forced to answer for all his misdeeds. Thank you for being you, Mr. Conyers.
Comment #636: LEA DALEO said on 6/18/05 @ 2:06am ET...
BREAKING NEWS---THE SEMEN STAINS FOUND ON PRESIDENT,S BED SHEETS HAVE TAKEN A "IMAGE OF JESUS" LEAVE IT TO BUSH TO HAVE THE BEST THING ON E-BAY, "OH" NOW "FOX" IS REPORTING THAT IT COULD BE AN IMAGE- OF THAT SCHIAVO BROAD, THANK GOD , I SAW IT AS THE FAMOUS "RUN_AWAY_BRIDE"...oh WELL HE,S SUCH A DAM LIAR, IT COULD JUST BE LAURA....THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE: DUH......DEAD OR ALIVE
Comment #637: JIM said on 6/18/05 @ 3:38am ET...
mr conyers you are the only true statesmen i see in congress today i was wondering when our next mlk would show up thank you and all who spoke at the hearings.. now we know you hear us there are millions of us out here hoping to take our america back god bless
Comment #638: JIM said on 6/18/05 @ 3:38am ET...
mr conyers you are the only true statesmen i see in congress today i was wondering when our next mlk would show up thank you and all who spoke at the hearings.. now we know you hear us there are millions of us out here hoping to take our america back god bless
Comment #639: JIM said on 6/18/05 @ 3:39am ET...
mr conyers you are the only true statesmen i see in congress today i was wondering when our next mlk would show up thank you and all who spoke at the hearings.. now we know you hear us there are millions of us out here hoping to take our america back god bless
Comment #640: Dr Jay said on 6/18/05 @ 3:52am ET...
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=437&row=0
The great supportive energies continue to pour forth from God. The true God not the fake god.
We must all give thanks for this.
America is getting this chance to choose her destiny. The time to act has never been so important. Soon, real Law Enforcement must break into the White House to arrest the corrupt administration.
God has commanded a complete and through house cleaning. Only this done SOON will stave off more war that will escalate more war. The plan can be stopped, but there is no time to talk about it. The time is now America for you to act, or regret it for the rest of your lives. Congress must Act now too!!!
It is awesome to see so many of the branches finally come together and realize that yes, we are a Tree, and we are all One Tree after all!
Just look at all the great input from all walks of America and her concerned people. Even the provocateurs are a rare empowering blessing un-beknownst to themselves of course. Got to laugh aye! We will overcome, and yes, these professional dis-info artists are funny aren't they!
We are truly blessed to have this forum and the others that are fast growing. Praise God! Let us form the general places of free press, and not get too confused with all the ca-ca that will not doubt start popping up. Re: above.
Great article from Brother Greg in the link below. Greg is a great team member and powerful writer.
Let us all remember, we are all Americans before we are anything else and we all are tired of the lies and BS insanity of this leadership gone mad. We are all different, but as previously expressed, all one tree. Let's think like the tree, instead of a branch. May we all put down the petty differences and the self-built fears that we unfortunately have been collectively to well taught? Let us all please just think 'freedom' and revel in the right to enjoy it in expressions.
Brother Conyers, this is a gift from Our Father for you to use if you like it:
United we Stand America...
Divided we fall...
Let Family and Community...
...be the call!
:)
Love is the Guide,
Dr Jay
PS: To ere is human...to forgive is Divine!
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=437&row=0
OH and this last little thing:
Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War
By Dana Milbank
Friday, June 17, 2005; Page A06
These comments by Mr. Milbak shows his underbelly for what he isssss:
"as they try to convince America that the "Downing Street Memo" is important."
(Like all those thousands that have died everywhere for this madness, and are dying from DU poisioning still over there don't matter. One wonders if it will matter when his children and family go over there to die?)
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_death_toll.html
http://www.thefourreasons.org/duresources.htm
"Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq, said the memo "only confirms what I already suspected."
(and begins the next paragraph)
"No matter:"
(There it is...it don't matter! Typical Bohemian Grove attitude. Burn Dull Care, or, I don't care._Perfectly Luciferian!
Who cares!!!)
HARDCOPY-HARDCOPY-HARDCOPY-HARDCOPY
Comment #641: Plunger said on 6/18/05 @ 7:40am ET...
To the American people:
How did it come to be that over 50% of you came to believe that
Saddam Hussein and Iraq were somehow behind the attacks of
9/11? Why was this important to you at the time? How important
was this informant was this information in your own decision to support
sending your sons and daughters to war in Iraq?
According to the current issue of Newsweek in reference
to the Downing Street Minutes:
"The British documents assert more than once—in contradiction
to statements and repeated innuendo by Vice President Dick
Cheney and Pentagon officials—that there was, in the words
of the March 2002 options paper "no recent evidence of Iraq
complicity with international terrorism."
It went on to state:
"There is no greater threat now than in recent years that Saddam will use WMD."
So that's it - end of story for American support of the war.
In March of 2002, The head of British intelligence knew that Iraq
had no involvement whatsoever with 9/11 AND that Iraq posed no
greater threat now than in recent years with respect to WMD.
GAME, SET, MATCH. Nothing else matters. That's it.
So, it was Dick Cheney himself who publicly implied on our
publicly owned airwaves that there was in fact a direct connection
between Iraq and the attacks of 9/11. What he actually said is
less relevant than the result it achieved. Once this big lie was
told through the main stream media, it stuck. The American mindset
with respect to this matter had been implanted. No other single fact
or innuendo mattered. This was the defining moment in the minds of
Americans, and IT WAS A WILLFUL LIE.
It was such an outrageous lie that in the next few days, members
of his own administration, including President Bush, were forced to
directly repudiate him.
President Bush:
"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved
with September the 11th."
Donald Rumsfeld:
"I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."
Condaleeza Rice:
"We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9-11.
When the Vice President of the United States is all over the airwaves
at a most crucial time in our nation's history, assumed to be acting in this role
on behalf of the President himself, it carries the weight of the
United States Presidency with it. As a spokesperson for the President, this man
knowingly lied to the world about Saddam Hussein's relationship to Osama Bin Laden
and the events of 9/11.
Of those who went to Iraq to serve their country, how many were
"pumped up" by their superiors to "fight the good fight" to avenge the deaths of
their fellow citizens who died on 9/11? It was all a lie. It was a lie told by the
Vice President of the United States of America on behalf of our President to launch
an invasion of a sovereign nation which posed virtually NO THREAT to the
United States. Despite the later admissions my others (but never by Cheney) that it
had been a lie, no effort was ever made to CORRECT THE MISPERCEPTION which
had been wilfully and intentionally implanted in the minds of Americans.
We were quite literally SOLD a war. The marketing strategy for the "selling of the war"
necessarily included the use of big lies told by leaders. The plan for the "selling of
the war" required LIES. Mushroom Clouds? Drones??? WE WERE SOLD A WAR!
How many more need to die for the lie?
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!
Comment #642: Lana said on 6/18/05 @ 7:59am ET...
God bless you, Chairman Conyers!
I am proud to have put my signature on your petition.
You are truly serving your country well sir.
BTW, I read your letter to the Washington Post. I hope Dana loses his job over that attrocity of a "news" article.
Comment #643: Plunger said on 6/18/05 @ 8:14am ET...
The Vice President of the United States declared that the prisoners
held at Guantanamo Bay are in fact "Prisoners Of War." These are his
own words as broadcast to the world LIVE via CNN on Larry King Live.
This presents a MASSIVE PROBLEM for this Administration.
This means they are in fact guilty of WAR CRIMES.
They have been hiding behind the excuse that these "detainees"
(who have been effectively kidnapped and held against their will
without legal representation) are not entitled to the protections
provided prisoners of war by the Geneva Conventions. This distinction
is made SPECIFICALLY so that methods of interrogation may be utilized
which the Geneva Conventions clearly define as TORTURE.
That's the reason for the legal distinction that the Administration
itself has made - so that torture could be utilized to extract information.
2 + 2 = uh...4.
The Administration's justification for this distinction had been
that these are not true "Prisoners Of War." Cheney's own words
just contradicted this. The Bush Administration had previously
declared that this is not a conventional war, and that there is no
"enemy state" that we are fighting, and further, that the "War On Terror"
is potentially a war without end, as there is no representative of the
other side with which to sign a peace treaty or an end to hostilities.
As such, the following words by the Vice President clearly state
that the prisoners being held at Guantanamo may actually be held
there, as "Prisoners Of War" - FOREVER - a direct violation of the
Geneva Conventions - which of course DO apply to this and every war.
Can you say "War Criminal," Dick?
http://hereswhatsleft.typepad.com/home/2005/05/vice_president_.html
KING: They specifically said, though, it was Guantanamo.
They compared it to a gulag.
D. CHENEY: Not true. Guantanamo's been operated, I think, in a
very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. Remember who's
down there. These are people that were picked up off the battlefield
in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror. These are
individuals who have been actively involved as the enemy, if you will,
trying to kill Americans. That we need to have a place where we can
keep them. In a sense, when you're at war, you keep prisoners of war
until the war is over with.
Comment #644: Jon said on 6/18/05 @ 8:49am ET...
John Conyers is that rarest of oxymorons, a courageous Congressman. We need more like him, and are lucky to have him working to preserve what's left of our republic.
Comment #645: Nelly said on 6/18/05 @ 10:01am ET...
I want to thank Congressman Conyers for having the courage and conviction to talk about the DSM and hold the Bush administration accountable. It's nice to know that there are still a honorable people serving our country.
Comment #646: Steve said on 6/18/05 @ 2:39pm ET...
Conyers for president!
Comment #647: HOLY CRUSADER said on 6/18/05 @ 3:52pm ET...
FINALLY, THE ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE HAS COME OUT > THIS IS THE ‘HOLY GRAIL’ OF 'SMOKING GUNS' AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS ARROGANT, DEVIOUS AND DECEITFUL ADMINISTRATION.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS "BUSHGATE" WHICH WILL MAKE RICHARD NIXON & WATERGATE LOOK LIKE A MINOR PRANK!
EVERY CITIZEN WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN DECENCY AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS, SHOULD FULLY SUPPORT REP CONYERS.
HOW ABOUT A 'PEOPLE'S MARCH' ON WASHIGTON D.C. THIS JULY 4th?
MY FELLOW PATRIOTS, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS TIME 'WE- HAVE- HIM- BY- THE -BALLS' [LET US SEE HOW THEY WILL TRY TO WEASEL OUT OF THIS ONE; THE WHEELS OF “SPIN”and “DAMAGE CONTROL” HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AND THIS TIME THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FOOL ANYBODY WHO HAS EVEN HALF-A-BRAIN TO FALL FOR THEIR ‘DISTORTION TACTICS; BUT THEN I AM NOT AT ALL SURE WHETHER THESE 'CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS and POLITICIANS' [also known by the acronym “CRAP”] HAS EVEN THAT MUCH GRAY MATTER INSIDE THEIR HARD SKULLS! ]
MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT THIS 'DOWNING STREET MEMO' DIDNOT COME OUT BEFORE NOV 4th,2004!
AND SO, IN DEFENCE OF TRUTH AND INTEGRITY > LET THE HEARINGS BEGIN! [THIS INSANITY HAS GONE ON FOR TOO LONG]
THE CRUSADER
Comment #648: THE HOLY CRUSADER said on 6/18/05 @ 3:56pm ET...
FINALLY, THE ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE HAS COME OUT > THIS IS THE ‘HOLY GRAIL’ OF 'SMOKING GUNS' AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS ARROGANT, DEVIOUS AND DECEITFUL ADMINISTRATION.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS "BUSHGATE" WHICH WILL MAKE RICHARD NIXON & WATERGATE LOOK LIKE A MINOR PRANK!
EVERY CITIZEN WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN DECENCY AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS, SHOULD FULLY SUPPORT REP CONYERS.
HOW ABOUT A 'PEOPLE'S MARCH' ON WASHIGTON D.C. THIS JULY 4th?
MY FELLOW PATRIOTS, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS TIME "WE- HAVE- HIM- BY- THE -BALLS" [LET US SEE HOW THEY WILL TRY TO WEASEL OUT OF THIS ONE; THE WHEELS OF “SPIN”and “DAMAGE CONTROL” HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AND THIS TIME THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FOOL ANYBODY WHO HAS EVEN HALF-A-BRAIN TO FALL FOR THEIR DISTORTION TACTICS; BUT THEN I AM NOT AT ALL SURE WHETHER THESE 'CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS and POLITICIANS' [also known by the acronym “CRAP”] HAS EVEN THAT MUCH GRAY MATTER INSIDE THEIR HARD SKULLS! ]
MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT THIS 'DOWNING STREET MEMO' DIDNOT COME OUT BEFORE NOV 4th,2004!
AND SO, IN DEFENCE OF TRUTH AND INTEGRITY > LET THE HEARINGS BEGIN! [THIS INSANITY HAS GONE ON FOR TOO LONG]
THE CRUSADER
Comment #649: HOLY CRUSADER said on 6/18/05 @ 4:14pm ET...
LISTEN ALL YOU “BMWs”[ acronym for > Bush Moron Worshippers ],
IF THE DAMN MEDIA WERE TRULY 'LIBERAL' LIKE YOU CONSERVATIVE PHONIES ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO MISINFORM THE
PUBLIC, BUSH WOULD'NT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY > ALL THE LIES, DISTORTIONS AND DECEIT OF THIS PRESIDENT AND
HIS CRONIES WOULD HAVE BEEN FULLY EXPOSED; INSTEAD, THE IRRESPONSIBLE MEDIA ' PLAYS UP' AND DISHES OUT MASS-
DISTRACTIONS LIKE > JANET JACKSON'S WARDROBE MALFUNCTION, MICHAEL JACKSON'S MOLESTATION STORIES, "THE RUN
AWAY BRIDE" HYSTERIA, STEROID USE IN SPORTS,TERRY SCHIVO CASE AND NOW THE MISSING ALABAMA GIRL IN ARUBA!, AS
FRONT-PAGE ALL IMPORTANT "NEWS" WHEN OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS ARE BEING KILLED IN IRAQ!!! THEY WOULD'NT EVEN SHOW
THE FACES OF THESE YOUNG SOULS WHO DIED IN BATTLE, BUT YOU CAN BET THEY WILL 'OVER EXPOSE' AND GIVE PLENTY OF
COVERAGE TO PARIS HILTON,BEN&JEN, BRAD&JEN AND OTHER GOSSIP STORIES.
THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS CRONIES WILL SOON BE EXPOSED IN THE BROAD DAYLIGHT OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.
AND BY THE WAY, WHERE ARE THE BUSH-GIRLS?? > THEY SHOULD BE FIGHTING [FOR THEIR DAD] IN IRAQ IN THE NAME OF
FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!
COME ON NOW, YOU 'CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS and POLITICIANS' [also known by the acronym "CRAP"] PLEASE DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE ANYMORE!
THE 'GRAND CHARADE' OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS WILL SOON BE OVER. THIS PRESIDENT IS HEADED STRAIGHT FOR THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE BARREL OF US PRESIDENTS.
"THE HOLY CRUSADER"
Comment #650: JJ said on 6/18/05 @ 11:03pm ET...
We need our soldiers here in this United States to defend our nation from this frightening regime that is overtaking this democracy. A coup d'e tat has taken place starting in 2000. The criminal pieces are slipping by crook and hook into place. The Zionist mafia were behind 911, the stolen elections, the lies of the so called "news" organizations(all Zionist mafia owned). They have so much power. They own the mainstream media. They own our government. They own the biggest banking operations in the world. They own the military industrial complex. Unless we get the protectors of our country home some way, and get them informed as to the way they are being used to conquor yet another enterprise for the Zionist mafia, we are subject to more losses. I am NOT anti-jew. Genuine bloodthirsty greed is the stuff these nightmarish pricks are made of. Every one should go to:
USCRUSADE.COM
May God bless our beloved John Conyers. I pray angels surround you. It is quite possible you will be a name as noble as James P. Madison, Thomas Jefferson and the like, as history captures this moment in time. The criminal crew in the whore house (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue) will be brought down and honor and decency and world respect should be restored back into this country, and hopefully the white house. I hope to see this regime go down.
The last thing I have to say is that I would ask every one that reads this to please envision in thier minds' eye, in a form of prayer: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz,Perle, all PNAC signers being closed in on by military force, arrested, forced to spill every name that has brought demise to this nation. Torture them? No, we have humanity on our side. Maybe just passively by withholding food and water. Envision them each sweaty and crumpled, lacking a bath, or basic gooming. Let us all plant that thought in our head in prayer form until it manifests as reality.
And of course: God bless the USA. Not the neo-cons though! Those bastards are as unAmerican as any one could ever get. I can only hope some one in prison sees to it to make them thier bitch. They are the sleaziest sleaze to ever leave thier smarmy snail slime in our beloved capital. I don't think I have an adequate vocabulary to express my fury and disgust at this pustulous septic sore menacing this country. May they rot in the darkest bowels of hell.
Comment #651: JJ said on 6/19/05 @ 1:56am ET...
whoops. The e-mail address I put out up there I got wrong. The right one is:
USCRUSADE.COM ARCHIVE
Comment #652: spritey said on 6/19/05 @ 1:55pm ET...
The British Foreign Affairs Select Committee investigation into whether Prime Minister Tony Blair’s Labour government distorted intelligence material to justify its planned war against Iraq is to publish its verdict on July 8.
It stands as a damning indictment of the way the government set out to sell a previously determined decision to go to war by claiming that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.
In order that this information does not remain buried amidst thousands of pages of undigested transcripts, the World Socialist Web Site is publishing a précis of the most important testimony given.
.....The decision to go to war against Iraq was not only taken behind the backs of the British people and Parliament, but to a large extent even the cabinet was excluded ...
.....Evidence given by former cabinet minister Clare Short paints a picture of a small coterie of Blair apparatchiks .....who were “in charge of policy” as British troops invaded Iraq alongside the United States. The “gang of four”, as the press has dubbed them, are all unelected and owe their positions and generous salaries exclusively to Tony Blair.
According to Short, Blair’s close entourage consists of his communications director, Alastair Campbell, Chief of Staff Jonathan Powell, Director of Political and Government relations Baroness Morgan and Foreign Policy Adviser Sir David Manning
......the cabinet had never been presented with any papers analyzing the risks, dangers, military, political and diplomatic options before the war was launched......
..... Neither had the relevant cabinet body, the Defense and Overseas Policy Committee, met to discuss Iraq. “There was never a paper. There was never an analysis of options and there was never an analysis on paper before any Cabinet committee or any meeting and it was all done only verbally” at meetings lasting “something under an hour....
.....It also emerged that the cabinet did not meet for almost three months last summer, between the end of July and the third week in October, the very timeframe in which Short says the agreement to go to war was made between Blair and Bush.
.....Answering a question whether there had been a deliberate attempt to emphasis certain aspects of the intelligence reports concerning Iraq and the alleged “weapons of mass destruction” in order to make the threat more credible, Short responded, “To make it more immediate, more imminent, requiring urgent action, yes.”
.....“three extremely senior people in the Whitehall system” had told her the decision had been made by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair, and the “target date was mid-February [2003] and later extended to March because of a difficulty with the Turks and so on and to give our prime minister a little more time.”
....addressing the first day of the committee hearing was Robin Cook, a former foreign minister and, until he resigned in March, leader of the House.
.....I fear the fundamental problem is that instead of using intelligence as evidence on which to base the conclusion of a policy, we used intelligence as the basis on which we could justify a policy on which we had already settled.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/wmd1-j03.shtml
Comment #653: BegoniaBuzzkill said on 6/19/05 @ 2:16pm ET...
....The British Foreign Affairs Committee wanted to take his (Blair's Director of Communications) testimony because his department was instrumental in drawing up the second government dossier on Iraqi WMDs published in February that was -- largely plagiarised from publicly available documents, including a 12-year-old thesis by an American student.--
....The dossier was published under the name of the joint intelligence committee, but in reality was drafted without its approval in order to reinforce the case for war being presented to the United Nations Security Council by US Secretary of State Colin Powell.
.....On June 10, the Intelligence and Security Committee issued its annual report. Embarrassing Blair still further, it was explicitly critical of how the second “dodgy dossier” was published without MI6 approval.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/blar-j12.shtml
Comment #654: W.O. said on 6/19/05 @ 4:52pm ET...
Mr. Conyers,
You are a model representative and an inspiration. Finally, we have a leader...someone who speaks out and moves things forward for the values of truth, peace and justice. Please be sure to keep the public engaged and let us know how we can assist your efforts.
Comment #655: Plunger said on 6/20/05 @ 8:12am ET...
How many John Boltons were there, guarding the pipe between intelligence sources and requested Bush Administration interpretations?
...the abuse of intelligence in concerted efforts to punish those operatives who disputed the required Bush Administration view wasn't limited to Bolton. It was a Bush Administration policy carried out by a number of independent groups, presumably on a higher order. And in both these cases, it involves dubious use of intelligence intercepts and other classified sources to further that political aim.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/19/204617/845
Comment #656: Plunger said on 6/20/05 @ 8:14am ET...
How many John Boltons were there, guarding the pipe between intelligence sources and requested Bush Administration interpretations?
...the abuse of intelligence in concerted efforts to punish those operatives who disputed the required Bush Administration view wasn't limited to Bolton. It was a Bush Administration policy carried out by a number of independent groups, presumably on a higher order. And in both these cases, it involves dubious use of intelligence intercepts and other classified sources to further that political aim.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/19/204617/845
Comment #657: TheTruthSquad said on 6/20/05 @ 9:27pm ET...
You guys and gals are delusional.
It's like right after the 2000 election AlGore travelled the land dropping off pounds of crack cocaine at every lefty warren and bund in his rolodex.
If you think this sort of action is beneficial to your cause that is merely a figment of your dementia, but hey...dont get me wrong PLEASE keep it up, in a little while we will have a right wing supreme court and you will be reading the Quran in GTMO with your terrorist buddies.
Comment #658: plunger said on 6/21/05 @ 7:14am ET...
The Hardball show last night was a well-orchestrated set-up right out of the office of Karl Rove.
The pressure on the MSM has become to great to continue on with the "ignore it and downplay it" strategy, so now Karl has sent forth the "play it up, then discredit it" strategy, giving the MSM permission to let themselves off the hook for following the prior failed strategy, while still towing the line for the Emperor.
Conspicuously absent for this charade was the show's host, Chris Matthews, which in and of itself speaks volumes about attempting to downplay and/or discredit their purported "Downing Street Special." An obvious requirement was to interview the author who broke the original DSM story, to set a context for the attack that was sure to follow.
What in fact did follow was pure theater, as desigend by the show's booking agent and scripted to perfection in advance. Save that entire video as the clearest example yet of the Corporate Media's (General Electric's in this case) desire to quell all dissent surrounding the Administration's Lies.
Rather than following the talking-head template of booking two individuals who offer opposing points of view, the booking agent recruited two CIA lapdogs who (SURPRISE!) ultimately arrived at the same conclusion...that the Downing Street Memo and other supporting documentation represent noting more than a "tempest in a tea pot!"
Before the segment even began, I already knew how it would end. The story behind how this program was "manufactured" is all the evidence the American public would need to understand how the media manipulates reality to serve the Ruling Class.
Investigate the media! Reveal the truth of how and why these two talking heads were booked and briefed, and by whom.
