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Comment #1: Danyne said on 6/1/05 @ 9:01pm ET...
I'll keep on holding on to hope for justice and balance. Thank you for all your efforts. It seems as though this new angle of being a Representative-on-the-blog has invigorated and encouraged your spirit, Rep Conyers, I certainly hope so! I pray you feel the force of goodwill and wishes, prayers and all the like from many who know of you now, thanks to the blogs and your hard work and involvement with the people in them, many from around the world as well! Godspeed, I stand at the ready for more signatures, letters, donations,action, etc.
Comment #2: Sandra said on 6/1/05 @ 9:39pm ET...
Congressman Conyers You Rock!
DON'T GIVE UP, DON'T GIVE IN!
Impeachment Fever and Media Politics
by Norman Solomon
05/31/05 - - If you think President Bush should be impeached, it's time to get serious.
We're facing huge obstacles -- and they have nothing to do with legal standards for impeachment. This is all about media and politics.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8998.htm
Comment #3: no name needed said on 6/1/05 @ 9:44pm ET...
Is anybody else getting sick & tired of Conyers and his sticking his nose everywhere without accomplishing crap?
Just tell me what damn good it does to come up with all these damn resolutions that go nowhere.
The only place that gives them an ounce of coverage anymore is here and at the Bradblog. DU does not even bother covering this stuff anymore because it is to transparent and superficial to mean anything.
Comment #4: Sandra said on 6/1/05 @ 10:26pm ET...
Admin... clean up on isle 3
no name needed same IP as Skinner
on previous thread
Call Amber alert we have found a lost child.
Comment #5: judy said on 6/1/05 @ 10:31pm ET...
You truly have courage and leadership Congressman Conyers! Thank you for putting this letter out and getting the signaures necessary to deliver the letter to President Bush. I can't wait. I'm forwarding it to every good dem I know. I loved the media panel you hosted. Remember, you can't play touch football, you have to play tackle.
Comment #6: Vyan said on 6/1/05 @ 10:41pm ET...
Heads Up! There's some discussion on Democratic Underground about MoveOn.org taking up the gauntlet on the Downing Street Minutes.
Vyan
Comment #7: CJ said on 6/2/05 @ 12:49am ET...
Thanks for all your doing Congressman Conyers... I've been spreading the word far & wide. I'm prior service Army and I can tell you that all my friends still serving are VERY proud of you.
Is it really a good idea to deliver the "letter" to Bush? Won't he just wad it up and declare martial law? Should we expect more "terror" alerts?
Comment #8: Sandra said on 6/2/05 @ 1:19am ET...
CJ Welcome Home!
The war is still on here in the states and we need your help.
Awaken the MSM: Downing Street Memo Alert (6/1)
by smintheus
Wed Jun 1st, 2005 at 04:45:49 PDT
Today begins a series of diaries aimed at helping to lift the virtual news blackout on that political bombshell, the Downing Street Minutes. Though it was published one month ago, the US news media has produced just a small trickle of reports to date. Many of us have appealed for more coverage by the news media, but with only limited success. It is high time to wake the MSM up. We will need to focus, coordinate, and sustain our efforts if we wish to get their attention. Clearly a scatter-shot approach will not get this information before the wider public, which deserves to know about it.
Therefore every weekday this month I will post a diary listing three news outlets. Please email, fax, or call all three on that day requesting politely that they report on DSM. The contacts for today are:
(A) CBS Evening News. email: evening@cbsnews.com phone: 212-975-3247
(B) Associated Press. email: info@ap.org phone: 202-776-9400 (DC) or 212-621-1500 (National News)
(C) C-Span Washington Journal. email: journal@c-span.org
Other websites are participating in this campaign as well. More below the fold.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/1/74549/88811
Comment #9: Berni said on 6/2/05 @ 1:54am ET...
WHOO HOO!
We now have a U.S. Senator on board! Check it out at DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1516892&mesg_id=1516892&page=
Comment #10: CJ said on 6/2/05 @ 2:11am ET...
Berni,
Thanks for reporting... this IS good news!!! WHOO HOO! (was wondering where he's been)
Get ready for a smear campaign (i.e. RUSH)
I have over 2000 names in my contact list... time to spread the word!
Comment #11: Dr. Alan H. Levinson said on 6/2/05 @ 2:58am ET...
Sandra #4,
How can you see the IP address of #3??? Please teach!
Alan
Comment #12: Dr. Alan H. Levinson said on 6/2/05 @ 2:59am ET...
Sandra #4,
How can you see the IP address of #3??? Please teach!
Also, do you know how I can keep my name and e-mail address in the sign-in section without having to type it in every posting?
Alan
Comment #13: CJ said on 6/2/05 @ 3:37am ET...
I realize we need all the help we can get in this most important fight. I believe Sen. John Kerry knows this is a battle that CAN be won. Do you think he is trying to "steal" the thunder from Congressman Conyers? Doesn't matter to me either way... Congressman Conyers will go down in the history books are our HERO!
Now that Kerry speaks, I suspect many of the other self-proclaimed Democrats will wake up... Hopefully the media will start DOING THEIR JOB! Who needs the media anyway... we're doing a hell of a job without them. Just get ready for Patriot Act IV with something regarding the "blogs"... more "terror" alerts anyone? There WILL be some type of distraction.... maybe something that'll get the draft (trust me, it WILL be the Patriotic© thing to do) and/or martial law going?!?
Comment #14: rainbow sally said on 6/2/05 @ 6:39am ET...
[This is my fourth "friendly letter" to the eyes and ears of our nation. BTW, if you have a printer people DO read stuff they find in their shopping carts and on their windshields. 1st Amendment doesn't only protect people's rights to advertise pizza parlors. Think about it? It's FUN !! And a lot of stuff can be done 5 to 10 up on a single piece of paper using MS Paint. If the pen is mightier than the sword, a printer is mightier than what? It ain't over until we decide it is, kids. -rs]
OPEN LETTER TO WHOEVER THESE NITWITS ARE...
CC: ABC News(support@abcnews.go.com)
CC: NBC Nightly News (Nightly@NBC.com)
CC: CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml)
Are you worthy of the Constitution that protects you?
Blurry MONDAY #56 -- Wall To Walleyed
See the exciting conclusion at the bottom! PROOF AT LAST! (...that your subscription isn't worth the paper it's printed on.)
We may not know the results of this autopsy...
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Terri Schiavo Autopsy Completed
Health News - Terri Schiavo Autopsy Completed ... The autopsy by a medical examiner will provide answers about Schiavo's medical condition ... contention between Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers. Autopsy results are expected within ...
www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/1506028.html
More pages from healthcentral.com
510051 Schiavo Autopsy Still Not Complete
Investigative Journalism of government corruption involved with Terri Schiavo not carried by mainstream media. ... Schiavo Autopsy Still Not Complete. Autopsy results in the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case are still two to ... critics question how fair and "independent" the autopsy results will be. ...
www.theempirejournal.com/510051_schiavo_autopsy_still_not.htm
More pages from theempirejournal.com
Schiavo autopsy results weeks away - (United Press International)
... Arbor Ballroom. Schiavo autopsy results weeks away ... Examiner John Thogmartin says it will be two or three weeks before the autopsy on Terri Schiavo will be completed ...
washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050509-110545-6957r.htm
More pages from washingtontimes.com
Autopsy results may take weeks
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - A six-hour autopsy, including full X-rays, was performed Friday on the body of Terri Schiavo, but the results may not be released for several weeks, the state medical examiner for Pinellas County reported Friday.
www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0402schiavo-autopsy02.html
More pages from azcentral.com
But we certainly do know the results of THIS autopsy.
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John Conyers, Jr. -- ConyersBlog
Blogged by JC on 05.09.05 @ 10:55 PM ET. The Secret Downing Street Memo. Where We Are Going ... many appropriately call it, "corporate media") coverage of the secret Downing Street memo. I share this frustration ...
www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000085.htm
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The secret Downing Street memo - Sunday Times - Times Online
... May 01, 2005. The secret Downing Street memo. SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html
More pages from timesonline.co.uk
The Raw Story Rep. calls for deeper inquiry into secret Iraq attack plan
The Raw Story is a liberal alternative to the Drudge report, culling news, arts and business reporting from around the world. ... SECRET PLANS. Eighty-eight members of Congress call on Bush for answers on secret Iraq plan ... answer questions about a secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack ...
rawstory.com/aexternal/conyers_iraq_letter_502
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The New York Review of Books: The Secret Way to War
... What the Downing Street memo confirms for the first time is that President Bush had decided, no later than ... The Secret Downing Street Memo. SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL ...
www.nybooks.com/articles/18034
More pages from nybooks.com
AltaVista found 315,000 results
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The US mainstream media is BRAIN DEAD!
Comment #15: Sandra said on 6/2/05 @ 7:16am ET...
#11 & #12 Dr. Alan,
Honest, I didn't do anything special; the administrator picked up on the IP on the next thread and posted it for everyone to see.
No name/Skinner once revealed then decided to jump from thread to thread.
re:
Comment #4: Admin said on 6/1/05 @ 9:59pm ET...
What a shock. "No name needed" and "skinner" are one in the same. IP address = "172.132.234.137". Stunner.
...On your other question, I usually just have to enter first letter in name and email and it pops up automatically.
I'm not that computer savy; I didn't have much usage with it as a nurse, but I'm learning!
Comment #16: Sandra said on 6/2/05 @ 7:37am ET...
Comment #14: rainbow sally
re: Terri Shiavo
I live 3 blocks from the Hospice; there are still people out there every day with signs blocking traffic. Most of them pack a lunch for the day and sit in lawn chairs in front of the facility. They're out there every day burning candles, singing, praying in group circles, worshiping Hannity (puke). One woman stands in the nearby intersection carrying a huge sign and wearing an oversized t-shirt printed with 'thank you's' to FOX, CNN, et al. Last week the local news followed her around filming. When the elementary school, next door, was in session they impeded entry and shouted at the children about killing, starving to death, following them down the street with poster sized pictures of abortions... the school was closed after the principle called me and said she had been followed home by several of them; then my step-son had to board a bus to another school to finish the school year.
Point of this rant... maybe we all need to go out, dress bizarre, carry signs, and stop traffic to get attention from the media?
Seemed to work for them. Just my thoughts.
Comment #17: Vally Girl said on 6/2/05 @ 8:04am ET...
Deep Throat and Something to remember:
"A government employee swears his or her allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, not to the White House or any government bureaucrat." (Stephen Kohn)
This quote is from in an article in the SF Chronicle (part of article below).
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Stephen Kohn of the National Whistleblower Center, a nonprofit organization in Washington, D.C., dedicated to helping government employees who report misdeeds in the workplace, said that no matter what people think of Felt leaking to the press, the law protects him from prosecution.
"A government employee swears his or her allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, not to the White House or any government bureaucrat," Kohn said. "The American public has the right to know about illegal conduct by high-ranking officials. In the case of Felt, his disclosure options were very limited. He had good cause to believe that his chain of command would not properly address the allegations."
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/02/MNGUOD22VH1.DTL
Comment #18: Kyle said on 6/2/05 @ 9:27am ET...
Keep at it Congressman Conyers! Few other congresspersons are acting at all on these life shaping and life-taking issues. Two questions:
[1] On 'Deep Throat' you expressed in your blog on the Huffingtonpost that you hope his actions would inspire others to act, to come forward, and to tell the inside stories on, I imagine, issues such as 9/11, Iraq, and the last elections. The question is to whom? Who should they approach? Who can they trust? Who is able to play "Big Ears" to their 'Deep Throat', who has the means, the reputation to credibly break and/or disseminate their story?; And, critically, who has the teflon or resistant amnesia to the kinds of coercion, outright threats, and uses of anonymous force that various parts of our government have recently demonstrated in use upon those they deem to have broken the party line on important matters? Should they contact you?
I don't think anybody is going to come forward if, as you point out about so much news, including your own, they expect their revelations to be ignored, buried, or worse - look at what's happened and is happening to Sibel Edmonds who presented explosive, seismic, administration-changing evidence to the Kean Commission and various House and Senate committees. She's been effectively and disturbingly gagged. A response to this question [for all who listen to you and are thinkng of where they can safely speak] is appreciated.
As for the mainstream media (MSM) I'd like to quote John Swinton then Chief of Staff of the New York Times, when speaking at the New York Press club in 1953:
"There is no such thing at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you that dares to write his honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy truth; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
The second question, related to the above, (and partly rhetorical) is:
What's the chance that the Managing Editor of the Washington Post, Bob Woodward, would today run Deep Throat's story of the Watergate break-in?
Comment #19: Grace Reid said on 6/2/05 @ 9:57am ET...
Congressman,
I respectfully submit the suggestion that you drop the word "memo" altogether, and from here on in refer to them as MINUTES.
Memo is opinion; Minutes are Facts.
Minutes are the real-time record of a meeting, whose veracity is checked by all members attending, and are given to all members attending, and must be kept by all attending. Minutes are the true and accurate testimony of what transpired. If a conspiracy to commit a crime happened during a meeting, and those minutes were made public, and the criminals were government ministers, and the crime was an illegal war -- there SHOULD BE HELL TO PAY.
Already the contents of the Downing Street Minutes have been minimized and cast into doubt by Sen. McCain, Scott McClellan, Condi Rice, and, now, Whizbang Blog.
These are minutes. Rycroft was the secretary. Copies of the final form of the minutes were sent to all the people who attended the meeting. Blair has authenticated. These are the facts of a meeting, and the meeting was a result of Dearlove's briefing by Tenet in Washington.
Rice and Bolton have every reason to deny the contents of the Downing Street Minutes and other memos leaked to the BBC. In them Rice and Bolton are both implicated for having "put the fix in" for war in Iraq in 2002. This is one of the many issues raised by this evidence. Not opinion. Evidence.
Memo can be thrown away as opinion. But minutes are facts.
GR
Comment #20: Vyan said on 6/2/05 @ 11:07am ET...
Bob Herbert of the New York Times covers the Downing Street Minutes:
Now, with George W. Bush in charge, the nation is mired in yet another tragic period marked by incompetence, duplicity, bad faith and outright lies coming once again from the very top of the government. Just last month we had the disclosure of a previously secret British government memorandum that offered further confirmation that the American public and the world were spoon-fed bogus information by the Bush administration in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq.
President Bush, as we know, wanted to remove Saddam Hussein through military action. With that in mind, the memo damningly explained, "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
That's the kind of deceit that was in play as American men and women were suiting up and marching off to combat at the president's command. Mr. Bush wanted war, and he got it. Many thousands have died as a result.
The editorial also goes on to point out the lies surrounding the death of Pat Tilman, and the Presidents in-artful dodge of the detainee abuse scandals.
Vyan
Comment #21: Katrina said on 6/2/05 @ 12:29pm ET...
The Intelligence And Facts Were Fixed Around The Policy
That should a bumper sticker!! If the media won't cover these stories, let's be the media, and not just confine it to the blogosphere.
Lets make our own headlines and place them on the bumpers of millions of automobiles around the country! How about saving the money we give to cable tv and the print press, and printing out headlines each week to be distributed and placed on bumpers.
Comment #22: Grace Reid said on 6/2/05 @ 12:49pm ET...
you go, girl!! that's a great idea!
THAT'S A SUPER IDEA !!!!
have you gone to afterdowningstreet.org?
Comment #23: Paul said on 6/2/05 @ 3:06pm ET...
Kyle, you raise an excellent question. I think that any revelations from patriotic informed sources are going to have to be to blogs such as Brad Blog (ala Clinton Curtis) or to alternative press venues, such as the Free Press (w/o whom Ohio's election issues might have slipped under the raidar).
For centuries or millenia, voices of expression, be they journalists, artists, historians, philosophers, etc, have had to work whilst ever aware of the swords dangled over their heads by those in power. It's as true today as it was in the Rennaisance, in Ancient Rome and so on.
What has also always been equally true is that Power has had to make some concessions. You see, expression must be able to command credibility and inspire interest to be at all effective, even for social control, and to do this it must have some freedom.
So there is an inherent paradox. Oppression requires freedom.
So a delicate and at times not so delicate dance has gone on between Power and Expression, between Oppression and Freedom.
No doubt, those in power are working hard on AI partly in hopes of replacing human expressors with more control-able artificial ones. They may well succeed in this, but they may find that the delicate balance between Oppression and Freedom remains.
Meanwhile, there remains hope that Truth can speak to Power. And the way I see it, we must never abandon that hope, however faint it may at times seem.
When we abandon hope, we give our opponents what they might not be able to take from us themselves.
Maybe the alternative media and the blogosphere are indeed too weak to ever hold this administration to account.
But let us not underestimate the inherent power of Truth. It may not, but it CAN give even a small voice the power to shake the world and even to turn the tables, when they need turning.
Comment #24: Paul said on 6/2/05 @ 3:13pm ET...
Regarding the Stolen Election in Ohio, I think it is important to note that apparently a link has been found between the Coingate scandal and funding for the Bush Campaign in Ohio, with some of the profits that Coingate produced going to a major Bush contributor, based on orders signed by Blackwell. This puts Blackwell at both the giving and the receiving end of the financial chain, which ,at the very least, brings into highlight the conflict of interest when the same Person is running the Campaign AND acting as Secretary of State.
It also casts further doubt, undeniably, I think, on Blackwell's ability to and willingness to maintain impartiality when his Secretary of State job requires him to do so.
We need to know how common this double hat practise has been.
Comment #25: Emily said on 6/2/05 @ 3:30pm ET...
Oh no name needed. DU is all over the place with the info. Give me a break! You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Keep it up Congressman!
Comment #26: Emily said on 6/2/05 @ 3:31pm ET...
Hey Vyan, Kerry is also going to soon start talking about the memo when he gets back to Washington!!! Kerry's on board!
Comment #27: Emily said on 6/2/05 @ 3:35pm ET...
To Sandra: Are they still out side the hospice?! My goodness. Don't these people have jobs and a life? They're following and bothering children about abortion?! What is wrong with these people?! Why hasn't the hospice done something about this? Isn't this bothering resedients? I remember seeing on CNN a girl who had a grandfather at the same hospice and she was called in because her grandfather was dying and he told the nurses to call his family so he wouldn't die alone and to say goodbye. The girl left in a hurry and got there and was surrounded and security wouldn't let her through right away. A nurse walked by and recognized her and let her through but she got there TWO MINUTE'S too late. These people think of nothing but themselves. What about the military soliders dying for a lie? What about the Iraqi children and pregnant women dying?
Comment #28: Ohiodem1 said on 6/2/05 @ 5:28pm ET...
Nixon finally resigned when he realized that he had lost the political support of his own party. Our Democratic Congressional delegation needs to work on finding those courageous souls in the Republican Party, those who put country above party to begin the process of breaking down support for Bush/Cheney within the Republicans. I am not so naive to assume that this effort is not already underway, but I hope it picks up steam as more information comes out.
Maybe the "targeted ones" in the Senate, and start with Ron Paul in the House. I am sure there are others. The seven Republicans who compromised over the Nuclear Option are now the target of a viscous attack by the Radical Religious Right. Maybe it is time to approach them about switching parties.
My opinion is that if Frist had the votes, he would have triggered the Nuclear option. He let the compromise go through because he would have suffered a crushing defeat had the measure came to the floor.
Are there 20 brave House Republicans?
Comment #29: no name needed said on 6/2/05 @ 7:36pm ET...
What on earth do you do all day besides dream up resolutions for the 80 nut case Democrat Congressmen?
Comment #30: no name needed said on 6/2/05 @ 7:38pm ET...
BBC news last update on the Rycroft Downing Street memo was May ONE, 2005!
This "memo' is an opinion of an opinion PERIOD. THAT is why the media is ignoring it. Especially after Newsweek cost people lives.
Comment #31: ... said on 6/2/05 @ 8:13pm ET...
Yeah, it was all Newsweek's fault.
That's why General Richard Myers (you know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) told reporters at the Pentagon on May 12th that rioting in Afghanistan was related more to the on-going political reconciliation process there, than it was to a controversial note buried in the pages of Newsweek (you can read the press conference transcript here: http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2005/tr20050512-secdef2761.html)
And it was certainly Newsweek's fault when it the same story had already been reported by The NY Times, The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Washington Post, and British and Russian news organizations over the past two years. Or the The International Committee of the Red Cross documented reports about U.S. personnel disrespecting or mishandling Qu'rans during 2002 and early 2003--that the Pentagon also confirmed.
Yeah. It's all Newsweek's fault.
Comment #32: alices said on 6/2/05 @ 10:24pm ET...
Thank you. If stem cell research goes forward, I am predicting that some Republicans may grow spines. Please push forward to honor Mr. Felt as a ture American hero.
Comment #33: Pat said on 6/2/05 @ 11:48pm ET...
Keep up the good work Congressman Conyers. What show did Fox News Report the Downing Street Memo on?
Comment #34: Katrina said on 6/3/05 @ 12:23pm ET...
Hi Grace ~ no, I hadn't been to afterdowningstreet.org. I will definitely check it out :-). Glad you like the idea!
Well, the media is beginning to wake up. The Star Tribune published the entire document today.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5436890.html
SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL -- UK EYES ONLY
Oh, for the benefit of No Name, it was not a memo, it was the minutes of a meeting.
I have a serious question for you. It seems you don't mind your government lying to get you into war. But, do you really think the majority of Americans agree with that?
Imo, if your answer is, 'Americans don't care about being lied to on matters as serious as going to war', then my next question is. 'Why are they afraid to tell the truth to the American people?'
Over 1600 US troops are dead and tens of thousands of Iraqis and not one of the reasons given for this war was the truth. You will find yourself in the minority as more and more Americans realize that. I guess that's why you're here, terrified of the truth. But why? Is one man more important than all those who have and will die as a result of a war that never should have happened? I feel sorry for you, if that's the case.
Comment #35: David Holub said on 6/4/05 @ 1:35am ET...
What’s interesting about the ‘Downing Street Memo’ is not that is new information or ‘the smoking gun’. Everyone who follows the facts knows the essential truth behind the ‘selling of the war in Iraq’. The problem is many people either resist the facts or don’t pay attention.
So, how do you convince people who don’t pay attention? I can’t help but ask myself how did they sell the impeachment of President Clinton? The key was repetition, mind-bending repetition. The right wing machine is most adept at ‘staying on message’. They use ‘key words’. Words in that case that denoted a crime – Perjury. In this case a word is needed. I suggest that word is – Defraud. The Bush administration has defrauded the American People – Fraud like Perjury is a crime.
Every time this issues is raised the word Fraud should be used.
Comment #36: sjeh said on 6/8/05 @ 11:21am ET...
Did people forget, or did they ever release the result of the case?
Comment #37: curious said on 6/8/05 @ 11:22am ET...
Regarding the Shiavo case, what did ever happen with that, did they ever release the findings, or did they just expect people to forget now? I haven't found any report on the results of the autopsy.
Comment #38: oncongress said on 6/8/05 @ 11:25am ET...
If you tired of bending over, maybe it's time to vote Libertarian. Our privacy is also lost as well. So people how long are we the people going to keep bending over. HUH
